Michael Sternbach

No, for travelling in that region I would use this map. I didn't say they prove anything.

That seems like a safe thing for you to say... It is doubtful that you have any hat considering how much you abhor them. I don’t have any either but I might well acquire one in order to watch you eat it. Are you done lamenting? I grant you that you have done your homework. But (and I say this also in reference to the remainder of your post), it seems like different researchers made different observations and drew different conclusions. Since neither you nor I have had the opportunity to personally research the site (bringing a team of experienced archeologists with adequate equipment along with us), for the time being, I think we must leave it undecided if there is or isn't any real evidence to be found there. However, it is curious that those structures were discovered exactly by the time Edgar had prophesied. Actually, he may have seen the discovery of Atlantis in his trance and misinterpreted it as the island rising. The thing is, reputable scientific venues rarely publish any research which would be too unorthodox or too controversial. Thus it becomes the domain of esoteric magazines etc. Actually, well respected scientists usually don't even touch topics with occult implications, because any positive conclusions would be sure to set an end to their careers. I will look at all that.

Unlike Nungali down under.

You can actually also watch the two tetrahedra counter-rotating. This is how Drunvalo describes the Merkaba in his popular books. It is really a "New Age thing", and I am surprised that Nungali brings it up (in a non-depreciative manner). Maybe he likes the way it helps him to space out...

I watched this film on DVD a couple of years ago and was quite impressed by Bentov. That there is an evolution occurring that eventually leads to a conscious identification of Creation with the Creator is an assumption also made by Hinduism, Teilhard de Chardin ("omega point"), Ken Wilber and others. This conception is also related to the Greek telos. Of course, the idea raises a number of questions. Such as: Will this evolution enhance all human abilities - intellectual, artistic, psychic, spiritual, physical, what have you? Or is there some kind of trade-off to be expected? Also, if "God" abides in Infinity, will evolution ever reach its ultimate goal? Or will it continue moving towards its Great Attractor on higher and higher levels on end? Also, how does the evolution of the human race relate to the spiritual evolution of the individual? (Bentov talks about both.) How does it relate to the evolution of other species, on and off our planet?

Look at a tetrahedron. B, C and D are in the same plane, A is not. However, if you look at this figure as the two-dimensional projection of a tetrahedron, the lines AC and BD will form a cross. It's a matter of your perspective.

MH, please reread what I wrote: Kircher's map has South on top. Thus we have Africa on the left and the Americas on the right. And Atlantis in the Atlantic - where it belongs.

The capital of Atlantis, more or less the way Plato described it.

Did somebody mention a map of Atlantis? Here is one published in 1669 by Athanasius Kircher in his Mundus Subterrameus (yeah, Nungali, the same Kircher who gave us the Tree of Life as we know it). The story goes that he found this map in the Vatican; it was created in Egypt and brought to Italy by the Romans sometime around 30 BCE. The Egyptians considered southern Egypt to be Upper Egypt, and drew their maps accordingly, with South being up. Kircher redrew the map just the way it was and placed America on one side as reference.

A channelled source on Flower Remedies (Gurudas: Flower Remedies and Vibrational Healing) says that corn was used for genetic experimentation in Atlantis, which it is suitable for due to its genetic variability. Of course, there is no hard evidence for that. However, that book's descriptions of the effects of particular flower remedies frequently hold true in my practice.

The same was said about Homer's story of Troy until Calvert and Schliemann excavated the city in the 1860s. And you think orthodox scientists never mess with the facts? Did you even care to watch the video I posted in post #8 before you started your rant? If this is too much to ask, just watch 24:00 to 33:00 for a refutation of several unfounded claims by sceptics. At no time did I do so. But I know for a fact that "there are more things between the sky and earth than school wisdom will let you imagine" (Shakespeare). That there are simpletons and frauds doesn't prove that it's all BS.

While the classic philosophers may not have talked about physical immortality per say, there is a text On Longevity and Shortness of Life by Aristotle http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/longev_short.html where in part 5, we read: This parallel to Daoist Alchemy is quite remarkable! Later, the blessings bestowed upon one who is in possession of the Philosopher's Stone were occasionally described by Aristotle's three prerequisites for happiness: Health, wealth, and wisdom. This list was indeed sometimes extended by longevity or even physical immortality (Artephius, Paracelsus, Nicholas Flamel, Count of Saint Germain).

Nah... We're going to compare trinities that extend into quaternities.

I think you posted it somewhere but we couldn't locate it already at the time when I asked you about it. So please send me the file, I will see if I can open it. I have a list like that of my own, I would like to compare it with yours. Maybe we can help each other out with some items that the other one hasn't considered yet.

I agree. And I would like to see your list.

No hard evidence. Yet.

Although Santorini is interesting, if we follow Plato, time and place are far off. There are very curious, artificial looking structures submerged in the Atlantic near Bimini (Bahamas). There is other evidence as well (parallels in language and mythology on both sides of the Atlantic), but I would have to search the details (as I read about it 25 years ago).

But regarding the OP, it could be that there are remains of other mysterious ancient civilizations covered by water (or earth, or ice) in other locations. A particularly fascinating site is Yonaguni, Japan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2llcwCHW80I

It was in the Atlantic Ocean as Plato and Edgar Cayce suggested.

Benvenuto, Giovanni. (Siamo vicini di casa - più o meno.)

Nungunungugali, This is a beautiful analogy (and a better use of this fellow, may I say). Bugglebear for this.

A good cook knows how to combine various ingredients (as does a good Alchemist ) But this guy definitely wouldn't be on my menu card, at no age. Thanks for reminding me once again why I became a vegetarian when I was four...