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Looks as though the subject was destined to crop up sooner or later.

Well the name swastika when broken down gives the following: swa = self astika = faithfull, having faith in God, pious, the length of eight. Astika and Nastika can represent the two different directions of rotation of the symbol, and with that masculine or femanin dominance; energetically speaking of course. But also āstika means "theist", while nāstika means "atheist" The symbol represents universal growth or upachaya, some say the rotation of the galaxy, solar system, the Earth. The rotation and the 4 kendra being critical to Hindu astrology. This rotation and direction are key aspects of the mathematics of hindu astrology the swastika represents the winds of change .Stability is shown in a chart (or the lack of) via this kendra (cross) and its potential for movement. If the arms at the end of the cross go in an anti zodiacal direction this is symbolic of material prosperity where as in the anti zodiacal direction this indicates spiritual prosperity. Known as the savya svastika and apasavya swastika, right and left handed. Now, if the swastika is turned 45° on to its point and is shown to be fallen, then this indicates very strong winds of change.Giving the patita savya svastika and patita apasavya swastika alternately, thus Hitlers usage was of the patita apasavya swastika, or the fallen left-handed swastika, perhaps wishing destruction of religion or spiritual things. My instinct toward a reference to 88 would be first to 8 and 8 rather than 88 (in matters that concern the swastika) there is a highly important numerical concept used when considering Sanskrit text; that of bhavat bhavam. To understand this principle, which is fundamental to the construction of the chandas or rhythm in mantra, and also the functionality of the kundali or birth chart. We count starting from 1 not 0 and when we arrive at 13 we go back to 1; so when I think of 88 here this thought springs to mind; it could be referring to the 8th from the 8th; the 8th house representing sudden change and the end of things and the 8th from the 8th (the 15th) being thus the 3rd bhava, a house of upadesha or rapid growth perhaps universal (also shows death of the father and or collapse of the temple).

Then of course the ideal of an aryan, a tribe from the Rk veda; a gross miss translation, but never the less ...

The choice of the swastika and its Sanskrit name are quite self explanatory.

There goes my vow of silence ...

After the separation of state and religion, political and financial excuses are then used to behead nations instead of individuals; higher means & higher stakes ... Same old human nature.

Perhaps, you are confusing conciousness with ego? Ego can be possessed in the tradition in materialist idioms and doctrine, for example; " so and so owned so and so, in that conversation"; The universe certainly has no ego. Conciousness just is, and it is aware of that which it is not because it is seeking that. How else would a flower follow the sun?

only there for show ... and show only reflected, what might in snow blind?

I'm now considering a vow of silence myself; before my mantra gets me into any serious trouble ...

Brilliant; I burst out laughing at the sight of the title!

Gautama Buddha is considered to have been an avatar and thus an incarnation of Vishnu by some Hindus; other Hindus are Atheists but are still Hindus; All very colorful.

Thank you; sounds like he knew his Yo from his Wu ...

Who really cares? Most care, but usually only for the pack solely for self defense and procreation; but there are a rare few jem's who elevate them selves from this state of consciousness, to think of others and consider the bigger picture. Mostly it depends on birth circumstances, relating to the past and possible futures. Theology is an out growth of this same dark energy; the deva are our emotions, they were there before we could label and pigeon hole them into any polytheistic doctrine.

What did Chuang Tzu have to say on the subject?

108 is the ratio between the Sun's diameter and its distance from earth; the same ratio of 108 applies to the moon in the same respect; this is why eclipses occur in the way that they do. What might eclipse the Mind if it also reflects, just like the Moon?

All you need do is to realize that all that you think you are; is quite simply the reflection of the Sun of off your mind. As light reflects off of either the Moon or a mirror so it reflects from you. Though it first passes first through a biological maze, it is still simply that, reflected light; particle spin included. That biological maze is nothing compared to the time it takes to first leave the Sun ... Don't go staring at the Sun, you will go blind.

relishes them, yes ... the nose tickle seeds delight, such a way to bite!

He is describing exactly that which I worship as a Jyotisa, curious to read. Though in the line "Time and space may forever be a mystery," I am drawn to think of the statement made, I believe, by Lord Kelvin just before relativity was realized by the Occident. "That all of science is now known, all that remains is to fill in a few gaps.", something to that effect. Though a great man, he is a bit of a media Junkie ... Many in the field refute his beliefs.

I feel from your tone Rara, that you are a little irate. That the universe is 75-80% dark mater, dark energy and unknowable; this was in year one of my Jyotiṣa course; it is fundamental to sanātana dharma and very old news. I don't make points and write lists, I am a non linear thinker; answers have to be heard. By "we", I am talking about the the most domineering percentage of the human population; the aggressive ones with the technology that is allowing them to destroy the planets beautifully balanced ecosystem. I am talking about an sub group of humans, with a particularly aggressive psychological phenotype, the ones that know no doubt and who certainly do not need God to encourage them when in doubt, due to their distinctive lack of self doubt. Atheism, to my mind : there are two types of Atheist; those who have realized the highest aspect of reality in consciousness and have discarded the sheath that is God, and those who have no feelings at all, who can not understand why any might need a God in the first place. To my mind, those that lack the empathy to perceive why one might need a God, are often the cause of the more sensitives empathetic angst in the first place; denominating them selves as God and then enslaving others. In response to your question; "is this a closed-minded type of religion for you?" ... I will reply that; it is ignorance.

Jyotisa is that. I have seen enough to be convinced; also direct experience of that in the form of śaktipāta; I have already expressed why I believe the scientific axioms fall short if we want to measure a relative world. A pleasure and experience to read you as you are clearly highly learned in these matters. The Higgs Boson was a mathematical glue the existence of which was stipulated so as to balance the particles in the standard model; It is not a particle neither are any of the particles particles; there is a problem in the inherent assumption of the linearity of time. Thank you for the links, You are quite right this is not similar to Karma at all; I just had a thought though, karma is rather like a Feynman diagram. Plotinus looks interesting and at least refers to the importance put on astrology at that time, our current history books seem to be rather forgetful of this fact. Indian philosophy, to me, seem to be far more advanced; though the lack of importance that they put on linear history, make it difficult to explain to what extent. Sanskrit its self, is a non linear language, containing many mathematical elements within the text. Rather, in the sutra. The upaniṣadaḥ are indicative of an understanding of the nature of reality as demonstrated in the quantum slit experiment, showing just how different our styles of thought are. The upaniṣadaḥ or upanishads as proses predate any of these philosophies and being accompanied by a verbal tradition of knowledge that runs much deeper. The different style of living and thought is exactly why we are still struggling today in the Occident to accept the reality of the quantum physical world. As I have previously mentioned, there is already a fully working mathematical model which demonstrates how the quantum world interacts with the relative world and our experience of it. But the Western world seems to be to self obsessed to investigate it. Thus my suggestion that the Higgs boson is Akasha tattva, I am currently studying a fully functioning predictive model that clearly shows the importance of Akask tattva in our daily lives and have no need to prove that it fits with the Occidental model. I keep hearing "World this and that" world health, world bank; but to my mind it is all occidental cerebral projection. That is the fundamental nature of our ancient boards of scholars, and why I have made that reference in a previous post. I am very ignorant of the different branches of the Christian faith and the first to admit that. I have heard it suggested that these translations were shoehorned into the prevailing occidental world view, with the same aggression as that of the world colonizations of that time. That it was was a planned perversion, the tantra of later years of Indian thought had already been percieved as devil worship and those who practiced it in the Occident were killed as heretics, the fabrication of Aryan theory is fundamentally the cause of the Nazi movement and those responsible to my mind are also practicing these tantra "in the family" as it were. This will appear radical to one who has not studied Jyotiṣa. It is a pleasure to communicate with someone so knowledgeable in Occidental philosophy studying Indian philosophy myself, it is enlightening to see and try to understand a little more of another perspective. Kind regards.

Peaceful Warrior.

Is this perhaps similar to bhāvana? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhavana

कवि kavi in Sanskrit, it has interesting connotations, meaning Poet, but also; Enlightened, Venus, Singer Sage; pick your meaning. To what was being referred and how has our understanding possibly change from the original intention of the author? I changed "Writer" to "Author" after the thought, intentionally as my understanding of that period is effected by my understanding of now, so I correct for that. We might well consider that higher knowledge is both transient and transcendental. Not junk knowledge which is attached to material things; lasting only short period of time, like for instance; knowledge of a typewriter ...

no, its superman I mean, really super man. can you dig that cat?

Great points Zhongyongdaoist, Best that I do not start a tangent about the damage caused by the calculated mistranslations of vedic works by Max Muller; All of course funded by the ancient occidental establishment of traditional scholars. Apparently it has been cited by the BBC that this was intentionally done, but I have not personally read the article; so I won't mention that here. The epitaph was given to CERN by the Indian Government in celebration of the work of Fritjof Capra. http://www.fritjofcapra.net/shiva.html