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TaiJi philosophy matches perfectly with modern science - atoms, electromagnetism, thermodynamics - all match TaiJi, YinYang, Wu Xing, Bagua, etc. Work together perfectly. It is extremely "rational thought and analysis". What "discrepancies" do you see as existing? And who determined them to be discrepancies? -VonKrankenhaus

That's WuJi - not Dao. Tao is not a thing or a non-thing. Even "the way the wind blows" is not a thing or a non-thing. DaoDeJing isn't teaching you technicalities of TaiJi philosophy. It assumes you know. The book only specifically mentions YinYang once. It's a fun book, but people are squeezing a rock they don't understand and getting strange juice out of it. -VonKrankenhaus

Qi is just the movement between the poles of any polarity. Like heat, electricity, etc. It is not any substance, mystical or otherwise, and not any more of an " (sub)culturally induced experience" than Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry, Active/Inactive, etc. Turn on any faucet - you found Qi. Get up in the morning - you found Qi. Inhale and Exhale - you found Qi. How can we not? Not hard to find. Not hard to understand. Qi is movement. All movement is Yang. Qi in thermodynamics is hot air, and in electricity, it is moving electrons. In Qigong, in the body - there are several polarities working. Study means knowing what these are and how to alter. Techniques. First building a basis by much Gongfu and listening to teachers and study. You can live your whole life and be studying this too. 1800s/early 1900s Western academics write crazy translations because they never understood TaiJi philosophy. They just looked for "okay" words to use. Racists too. Check out book by "The Religious Systems of China" by JJM de Groot from 100 yrs ago to see what I mean. Rockefeller organization pays them all, then creates "TCM" with Mao in 1950-53. No wonder there is doubt and debate about "acupuncture" today. It was designed into system. Too much is missing from the "marketplace" for anyone to reconstitute what they are trying to find. People see movie and have fantasies and read books written by people who want money, and then the news and journalist write about this because they want money too. Soon, someone hears about this and opens a fake school because they think it can make them money. Nobody understands Qi today, even though it is so simple. They refuse. They want to do or debunk things that never happen. Nobody understands YinYang or the rest of TaiJi philosophy either. This is the very basis. Without this - you don't even understand "Light and Dark", never mind Chinese philosophy and medicine. And without that, you are doing some kind of calisthenics, or having a fantasy, and arguing with each other about details of fictions, or even debunking "heat" and saying doesn't exist - too "mystical" or not mystical enough - people who don't know are never satisfied. Classics and authentic teachers and your own virtue are the only way. Both first ones mentioned still exist. All it takes is people who can understand these to know how important. Others may be cutting corners off something that doesn't exist and end up debating nonsense videos and tricksters on and on and on. I am just giving an observation from 1970 to now, looking from where I started as a child, to adult. Not meaning to offend anyone or claim superior or anything like that. Just some observation and opinion. -VonKrankenhaus

Who is giving this? What is "Human Society"? Got idea from who? Who or what is bestowing such gifts, and giving also these concepts to name them by? Before Elvis on TV - no Elvis Impersonators. How do such gifts of thought get given today? -VonKrankenhaus

Mantak Chia is teaching real stuff - but I am not seeing that he really understands it completely in his books. He has maybe one big book worth of actual translated material - the rest is all filler, and some of it is incorrect. Taoist Yoga book is also teaching real stuff - but just has a few errors. Yang Jwing Ming book I mentioned has good beginner info - and where he runs out of experience and theorizes, he does state that's what he is doing, so okay. For 3 years recently I am looking at all these books that have come out. In the 70s we didn't have any like this at all. I had no idea. Much fun to see - but people will get confused. They ARE confused. Books shouldn't confuse. They should inform. -VonKrankenhaus

Building on the incorrect "foundation" of the other one? He doesn't understand Daoism. Doesn't understand what Qi is. Doesn't know what YinYang is. And he is teaching people who don't know these either. -VonKrankenhaus

There are too many. He writes about "the energy of the Dao". He thinks he is working with "various energetic substances" of the body. He writes about "the nature of the power known as Wuji". He writes that Taiji "moved outwards from the center of Wuji and began to divide the spiritual power of Wuji into two extremes known as yin and yang". This stuff is just what's in the beginning of the book. It goes on and on. Many errors. People may not know, but all of this is incorrect. So he is not understanding Daoism. You cannot learn Daoism and YinYang from this book. Qigong he is teaching is like warm up exercises. Book is like the book of a guy studied basic exercises and making up guesses about them. I really do not know who is teaching him mistakes like this (if he didn't make them up like most people actually do, if you look). -VonKrankenhaus

Yes. And if you try this not with a clock but with a sound, like dripping water, or a music playing, you will find something interesting. It is very difficult compared to the clock. This is showing something about the brain and about sound. Sound is a deeper function. Evolved earlier. Deeper connection to body existence to be overcome by mind. Listening is older than Looking. Usually requires more "focus" than stopping the clock. More "focus" means less impairments of function and thinking - more "ability". -VonKrankenhaus

This also like the clock experiment in the book "Stalking The Wild Pendulum". That goes something like this: You put a mechanical clock, one with visible second hand going around, in front of you, off center from field of view. You look straight ahead, no focus on anything, but eyes open, and still seeing clock in side of vision, seeing second hand going. Then, in your mind, think of something you know and like a lot - some place maybe - and you really get into it as deep as possible. You keep clock in your vision, but never focus on it or think about it. It is just there, going. You stay in thinking, really get into it. You may notice the clock has stopped. If you can stay like this, you can have a day in your thought, or longer, but use no time as experienced in the room you are in or on clocks, etc. The instant you "look" for or at the clock, to "see" (know) if it stopped, it starts again. Anything other than what you were getting into in thought - the clock starts again. -VonKrankenhaus

This is what truly happens. So people need to understand things like hormone levels and balance in brain hemispheric dominance, cortisol, etc, and maybe read Julian Jaynes book - and then start looking at thing like "circumcision" for what they really are - human engineering or hormonal bias enacted at specific stages of development. -VonKranknehaus

Human beings cannot see "outside" of Nature. Everything the human is and does is happening in Nature. And no human can even see all of Nature or how all of Nature "works". Tao is the way of all phenomena or happenings, something like "the way things happen". Even "un-natural" things - everything - meaning things we can perceive and know, and things we can never perceive or know. -VonKrankenhaus

I'm trying to understand what you wrote there. I wrote basically that the health and longevity practices and medicine associated with Qigong are absent from almost all Qigong taught today. Instead, overblown health claims are made about what are very basic Qigong exercises. The claims are empty, and so are the result for the most part. Those exercises are not by themselves health or longevity techniques. Wouldn't matter how many times or how long you do them, they will not change into health or longevity techniques. Even current teaching in Chinese medicine is missing those parts, and further, is missing there being any modern application of them. I only say this because I have been studying this situation for half a century. -VonKrankenhaus

Pretty much, that is the truth. Not "secret", but not "mainstream" either. People find mostly just what it is they have been told to find. Nobody is packaging and selling this right now. -VonKrankenhaus

Myopia and baldness are easy to reverse. So are diabetes and cancer. And it IS people over 50 that I am referring to. This kind of Qigong and the various techniques associated with it in terms of food and health does exist right now. But in the modern world, with people wanting Qigong due to seeing martial arts and movies - this is attracting nobody. Nobody is selling this right now. -VonKrankenhaus

This exists now. And yes - there is Chang Ming Shu and many other longevity techniques. And yes - these produce people looking maybe half their age, and resolving sicknesses, etc.. -VonKrankenhaus

These people seem to be moving around okay: -VonKrankenhaus

If you think that is "vitality", then OK. I think we would need to define what "vitality" could be. By old standards, this would mean "self-sufficient", in the sense of not requiring any assistance to live - no hospitals or professional care-takers. Able to freely GIVE assistance to others. So anyone with sickness or cancer, mental problems, etc - no. Curing these in others - yes. And ability to do what one wants to without experiencing "obstacles". That means never reason to complain. Just "gratitude" for all - even "bad", even "good" - they have transcended this. That means no "enemies". These are something like the qualities of healthy and vital developed people in old times. We could list many more. But we cannot find these easily today in people we see, even "teachers". Because that part is missing from most people's studies, how to achieve this. -VonKrankenhaus

I see this as side-effect of the fact that most Qigong is missing too much. Most are just showing the most basic exercises and nothing else. Many do not even seem to understand those. Some do show the medicine that goes with this, correctly knowing the differences, for example, between 8 extraordinary meridians and 12 organ channels. Most have no idea. But even medicine is missing too much about living and functioning and diet for Qigong and Neigong trainings. And so these are all missing from most Qigong now. No teacher I am seeing with books and online can help with this, because they themselves are missing it - didn't learn this. Serious student needs to be able to find missing parts and re-assemble these practices for themselves. -VonKrankenhaus

This is correct. It is built for a purpose from earlier materials. Earlier materials, earlier versions, were originally about cultivation. People think this book is a book explaining Dao, or explains all of Daoism, but it is not. The term YinYang is only used once in it, for example. It is a "political" or "governmental" manual that uses, "makes use of" the "philosophy" of Daoism. The actual cultivation info in it is reduced and sort of "re-framed" into the newer purposes of the book as we see it. In the modern "culture", people generally pull out the iconic bamboo flute recordings and think this is "mystical" book full of "esoteric" info explaining Daoism, which is just not true - like putting on a show for themselves with this stuff. -VonKrankenhaus

God isn't a place or an adjective. Nor is Dao. And the individuation we experience via the "Ego" is just the mechanism whereby we experience individuation as a particular manifestation of the species. If I am itchy, every human being does not have to scratch. My ego is the function whereby I can have individual experiences. That's all it is. Anything more than that is likely out of balance with most situations. Humans are quite evolved, and have many aspects to this individuation. All these aspects are being taken advantage of by modern civilization and amplified into psychological control mechanisms. -VonKrankenhaus

Right. "Limits" means "poles" or "opposites". No polarity means no near or far, and no limit can be discerned. No Up, no Down, etc. TaiJi is "Great Polarity". Polarity is always relative. WuJi exhibits nothing in relation to anything for us to discern any "limit". -VonKrankenhaus

WuJi has no "chaos". WuJi means no thing is any where. There is no-thing in WuJi from which to discern either chaos or order. Primordial appearances (HunDun) will act on each other and exhibit natural order (Look at 4 divisions and old TaiJiTu). -VonKrankenhaus

If Qi is movement between the poles of a polarity, and WuJi is "Without Polarity", then what would you say "primordial Qi" is? Obviously, "primordial" could not mean "before polarity". And WuJi means no "thing" is there. Without any "thing" - where is polarity? There would be nothing to distinguish any difference from. WuJi is "infinite". Infinity has no "sides" and exhibits no physical polarity. So no movement can happen in the Infinite. It is "stillness". Zhou Dunyi writes "Yang is motion" and Yin is stillness" at the very sides of his TaiJiTu. The "Primordial" polarity is at the root of all existence then. When the first "move" distinguished the Stillness. Before any Move, there is also no way to see Stillness. Movement is "Change", and we know Change is the only constant. The undistinguished WuJi or "nothing" can only change one way - to become "something". Something is always happening then. All things are distinguished by this. Movement is vibration. Light is vibration. Energy is Matter and Matter is Energy. But TaiJi, YinYang - is not equal or symmetrical. If it were, no thing could exist - all things would "cancel out" or "equate". In fact, primordial Qi is producing all "things". And explains the polarity "Being/Non-Being". No other polarity is "primordial" - not "Up/Down" or Hot/Cold", "Big/Small", etc. -VonKrankenhaus

Movement requires Polarity. WuJi is "without polarity". There is no thing there, and no thing for any thing to move to. WuJi is "infinite". There is no "thing" to distinguish in "No-thing". Infinity = Zero, so "infinite movement" = Zero Movement. Some Thing (TaiJi) appears from No Thing (WuJi), and that Thing exhibits TaiJi - Polarity - it will have and exhibit an Up/Down, Being/Non-Being, Inside/Outside, etc - what we see in the TaiJi Tu. Between these poles, there is Movement. Movement between the poles of a polarity is "Qi". -VonKrankenhaus

I think WuJi is "No Polarity" And TaiJi is "Supreme Polarity" WuJi is called the "Emptiness" because without polarity there can be no thing, and if there is one thing, there is polarity. TaiJi means some thing is there to exhibit polarity - even "Being/Non-Being" is a polarity, and makes no sense without there "being" some thing. Buddhism isn't talking about that. They mean something more like "Reality" without any inventions. -VonKrankenhaus