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Re: ----- "Most anti-vaccine people I meet seem to believe that the entire world is involved in a centuries-long conspiracy to inject their children with poison for no particular reason. I still don't get it." ----- I think it is because there is actually far more evidence for such a conspiracy than there is evidence that vaccines are safe and effective. Not one vaccine manufacturer gurantees any vaccine to be either safe or effective. And a special court has been set up to limit cases of injury due to vaccines, essentially limiting (eliminating) liability on the part of the manufacturers (drug companies). There are so many incidences where toxins are sold to people in medicine, in food, in consumer goods, and scores of examples where the public has been lied to about the dangers. Hard to believe it was all "accidental" - especially when one looks into how these things happened. Lead in gasoline could have been replaced by ethanol but wasn't, because prohibition supposedly made ethanol an illegal substance. Lead has been known to be dangerous since at least the Roman Empire, but it took another 50+ years before lead was removed from gasoline. And the "unleaded" gasoline that activists fought for is actually gasoline containing manganese, substituting poison for poison and turning the label "unleaded" into a joke. The BPA in baby bottles (and cans for canned food, etc) has in many cases been replaced in "BPA-free" containers with BPS: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bpa-free-plastic-containers-may-be-just-as-hazardous/ This stuff has been going on for a very long time. Lead was used in eating and drinking ware in colonial times by commoners, while silver was used by the elite. People drank hard cider and rum in these pewter mugs. Cider contains citric acid and alcohol, both solvents, and these leach lead into solution and are drunk by the commoners. I researched the supposed Marie Antionette quote "Let them eat cake". Turns out they talked about "cake" for commoners in America too. I visited old colonial taverns, historically preserved, where poor people lined up at the back of these taverns at the end of the day to obtain free "flue cake". Poor people ate it, and less-poor people gave it to their farm animals to make them more docile. Turns out that this "cake" was the result of thinned bread dough batter being spread in the flue of cooking fireplaces to keep the brick mortar from falling into the bread, and to regulate humidity during baking. This dough accumulates fluorine compounds from the combustion in the fireplace - it is fluoride cake. Not long after aluminum was implicated in "dialysis dementia", most soft drink and beer cans were switched from steel to aluminum. (People were also spraying very fine powdered aluminum right into their own faces in aerosol antiperspirants). Note that the major sponsor of the Alzheimer's Association of America is ALCOA, the largest aluminum company. This all just a small few of these things. Much more is available for anyone to research. I think the serious researcher will find that yes, we are being poisoned in an amazing number of ways, and have been for a long time. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "You can't prove that you didn't get any of the diseases you didn't get due to having been vaccinated. All you can do by way of proof is choose to believe it. It's your religion, in other words... " ----- This is quite obvious in people who have already submitted their children to be vaccinated, as you pointed out. But what about parents of children who have been vaccinated but then actually came down with that disease in one of these "outbreaks"? In some of the outbreaks it is a large percentage of those who become sick despite having been vaccinated. They don't get much press, but these people are out there. In terms of "autism" and vaccines, look into Amish communities. There is one community of about 35,000 people, and this community did not vaccinate. They had one case of "autism" - a child who had been taken away by social services and force-vaccinated. There is not any group or community that does not vaccinate that also has a "normal" percentage of children diagnosed with autism. I myself am interested to find one, but I have not so far. There was recently, in the media, said to be a measles epidemic in an Amish community where I know one of the midwives who service and live in this community. The news media told how these people fearfully lined up for vaccinations due to the epidemic, and so forth, but the account I got from an eyewitness there sounded completely different. Someone quoted statement that thimerisol is "no longer used in any of the vaccines routinely given to babies and young children in the NHS childhood immunisation programme." It is actually still in flu shots, which are given to pregnant mothers and all kinds of people. Old lots of the thimerisol-containing vaccines were also used up and not thrown away, and also sold in other countries. It has also been replaced by aluminum, which is also an accumulative neurotoxin. This is something like the way that lead was removed from gasoline and replaced with manganese: http://www.psr.org/chapters/boston/health-and-environment/mmt-manganese-in-gasoline.html Of course, manganese is a neurotoxin too. -VonKrankenhaus

Here are some studies all in one place (there are more elsewhere): http://www.fourteenstudies.org/studies.html Here are two available books with much information: The Virus and the Vaccine http://www.amazon.com/The-Virus-Vaccine-Contaminated-Government/dp/0312342721 The Vaccine Epidemic http://www.vaccineepidemic.com/ Really though, if this issue about vacines is making anyone curious, then by all means, go and do plenty of fact-finding for oneself. I mention these sources above because they are well-known introductions to the issue. But if anyone looks beyond the mainstream media and TV for information, there is mountains of info of all types - studies, court testimony, people's experiences, etc. Most believers in vaccines I meet haven't usually looked much, or at all, beyond the easiest, and most biased, sources of information, considering it all a "done deal" - but parents who have children who have died or been damaged from vaccination are much more motivated. I can't really respond to the 1903 smallpox epidemic, because I wasn't there and know nothing of conditions then really. I don't know what else changed then, nor what was done by the unvaccinated. Regarding the idea that sanitation played a large part in the eradication of disease, consider that polio is mainly transmitted by fecal particles. So is cholera. So is hepatitis. Others, too. Not too long ago (and still) municipalities were pumping untreated sewage into various bodies of water. In fact, not long before that, people were still tossing chamber pots out into the gutter. Wonder what restaurant kitchen sterilization was like in 1903. Lots of regulation happen now that just wasn't there in 1903. And we could write about bogus "herd immunity" stuff, or that if vaccinations work, how come up so many of the people affected in various outbreaks were vaccinated for that disease but still got it - but all this info is out there for anyone to see. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Well, I don't assume the FDA is protecting me as I'm in the UK. But I do have a certain amount of faith in the NHS. Above anything else, I do not believe that a useless and potentially dangerous form of medicine would have been adopted all over the world and hailed as one of mankind's greatest inventions." ----- Try This: http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/10/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over-freedom-of-information-act-documents-from-uk-reveal-30-years-of-coverup/ A quote: "Freedom of Information Act in the UK filed by a doctor there has revealed 30 years of secret official documents showing that government experts have 1. Known the vaccines don’t work 2. Known they cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent 3. Known they are a hazard to children 4. Colluded to lie to the public 5. Worked to prevent safety studies Those are the same vaccines that are mandated to children in the US." ----- "Why, for well over 100 years, would people have been promoting and accepting vaccines if there was no evidence for their efficacy?" ----- Because they have been stupfied into letting dishonest authorities think for them. It wasn't because "people" are perceptive experts on human environment and biology. Maybe they saw the incidence of cancer and other degenerative diseases go up to include almost everyone and got confused into calling this progress, I dunno - but they have been duped and diminished in the process. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Smallpox has been eradicated. Obliterated, removed from existence." ----- Actually, many cases have remained, and all due to the vaccine. And, there is no hard evidence that ANY reduction of ANY disease has been due to a vaccine. LOTS of assumption and propaganda, but there is no way to prove these claims. Look on the package inserts for any vaccine. Disease and contagion are related to sanitation, and reductions in disease have been largely and often due to changes in things like hospital sanitation, better sewage systems (not tossing "chamber pots" into the street, etc), and media campaigns regarding water sources and other municipal changes. Polio? http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500-cases-of-paralysis-death/ "“In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960s to 2000) was the ‘principal if not sole cause’ of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 " Also, google "SV40 virus" and take a look at the book "The Virus and the Vaccine" about how millions (about 100 million) of doses of polio vaccine were contaminated with a cancer-causing simian virus, and kept from the public. There is still a lot for people to learn about vaccinations, so I will stop here and let them. Most of what they "know" has been pure propaganda. And the FDA - look into the politics of it, and who is involved, before you believe them or assume they are protecting you. -VonKrankenhaus

Microchipping was in the media a lot back in the 90s. There were stories about microchipping pets, children, old people, etc, etc. This was during the time cell phones were being distributed to just about everyone in the world. Scare you with the chip stories - but cell phone looks good? Cell phone is a GPS locator that tells where you are, what you say (can be turned on as live microphone remotely), who you contact and what they say, and provides identifying photos and videos, and so on. Much better than any "microchip". And, immunizations - there is mercury in them. Kids get about 72 shots, sometimes up to 9 in one visit to "catch up" - this is above recommended exposure to mercury. There is aluminum in them. And GMO ingredients, and toxic chemical adjuvants like squalene. Not one vaccine manufacturer guarantees either the safety or the effectiveness of any vaccine. And this policy is backed up by a special court set up to limit the number of lawsuits due to "adverse events". There may be thousands of applicants to sue the government for mandating a vaccine, but only 50 cases will be heard in a given year, and the "rules" of this court process stop most cases before being accepted. It is impossible to prove that any vaccine prevented any disease. Logically and technically impossible. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Dont know, your the one who brought it up, maybe you should clarify why you thought it was important. 3 strikes and your out." ----- I thank you for this fascinating response. I apologize if I have confused anyone. I thought it was important to know first what the purpose of internal/external training could be wherein health and freedom aren't applicable, or maybe, even comprehensible, before making distinctions in various internal/external training methods and what they lead to. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "I dont quite understand what other shifu's having good health or not or being free, as anything to do with training methods, practices, or skill sets. " ----- That's an interesting statement, and I wanted to address it before continuing. I must ask then, what is the purpose of their training? -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Between the 'intention to heal' and the 'intention to teach', which is the higher or more Virtuous intent?" ----- Neither. Virtue is leaving intention for what it is and paying attention, unwaveringly, to reality, to what is actually going on. Intentions of any sort could blow away in the wind of reality. If this leaves "nothing" to do, then Virtue is absent. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "I wonder about you're mentioning of ascorbic acid, I think that's vitamin C? or am i wrong." ----- Yes. This is a solvent, an acid solvent. Some is necessary for body, too much is a problem. One problem with "vitamin C" is that, when added to soft drinks in aluminum cans, the solvent removes micro particles of aluminum into the soft drink. Aluminum exposure is linked to alzheimer's disease, and in fact ALCOA aluminum company is a primary sponsor of the alzheimer's association of america. In the 1960s during development of the first kidney dialysis machines, "dialysis dementia" was discovered as a result of aluminum being used. This was changed to correct for this in dialysis, but within a few years, nearly all soft drink and beer cans were swapped from steel to aluminum. ----- "Could you give some information about which food or maybe which herbs are good?" ----- I cannot be very specific or give any medical advice, but it is a good idea to stick to actual food and not food "products", to use as much as possible whole and unrefined foods, and to keep to the kinds of foods which have been successfully and traditionally used in any given location. The diet you write about seems pretty good, but know that most women have trouble eating the reproductive products of another species (like chicken eggs) for a long time. Most PMS is really just that person eats too many eggs, and when they stop eggs, PMS goes away in under 3 months. Same with human breasts and cheese or the product of the breasts ("dairy") of another species. Breast cysts and tumors often result. I think maybe you feel that you crave "protein", but maybe you really crave "rich" foods in general. Have you been restricting fats or had liver/gallbladder trouble? In terms of calcium and osteoporosis, almost all of the deficiencies today are due to people not having enough sun and enough bone-stressing normal activity. If you don't do anything that impacts the bones, the bones become not so thick. Also - much "vitamin D" supplementation going on now is really hormone therapy in disguise, and extensive supplementing with what is essentially a hormonal product of the liver could diminish our natural hormonal process in response to sun exposure - similar to the way injections of testosterone or estrogen can cause the body to actually produce less of these hormones itself. There are very few sources of "vitamin D" in foods, so this is not primarily a "nutritional" issue of "not getting enough". -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "this talks of my history http://www.morningli....net/about.html I really dont see what the debate would be about. The teachers that I've met would never suggest that in the end they some how come together as you stated. Each practice is quite different with different ideas and skill sets developed. Can you share a little of your history, it might be helpful in understanding your view point." ----- Excellent. I will write what the debate could be about, and it looks like you have enough experience to make it worthwhile for us to discuss, although anyone could also understand, and many here have somewhat similar experiences and background. I will also add relevant history, to show why I learned what I have - but not too much, as I have already mentioned some in other posts. Thank you for humoring me. I understand that the idea I have put forth is unusual. But I have had the experience of seeing many sifus doing very good gongfu and qigong, etc, but not really becoming free, and not really attaining very good health. I spent a long time studying and testing how and why this happens. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "You just disregarded all of the spiritual traditions and their vast amounts of experimentation, according to you every spiritual technique 'will not produce results' in terms of what many are looking for here." ----- Not "disregard", but work with for a long time, in traditional settings and relationships. Not in terms of "what many here are looking for", but in terms I stated as "normal human life". And no, those traditions, the recent ones, are mainly compensations for various losses of normal human life through the ages. They are techniques to recover or retain balance and functionality. Older than that, the techniques are more like catalogs. Older than that, techniques and living are the same thing - no catalog needed, no sudden adjustments, etc - a very different time than now. Right now, the modern aspects causing loss of normal human life functionality are taken as everyday necessities. ----- "You can flaunt your x amounts of years of darkness training and forest living as much as you want, what good has it done if you can't answer a simple question, yet posing as a spiritual figure in posession of deeper knowledge?" ----- That is so crazy - I like that writing very much. (I may get a tattoo of this). I can answer your question in great detail. Not "flaunt". Describe, mention - to establish context, where what I write is coming from. If you are really interested in knowing what would produce the result more towards normal human living, especially towards the further step of really exploring what that means, then first consider the questions I posted just before about what is a human being, how does this happen, and why. Doing this would establish more what normal might be. Then we could look at some things in the way of normal human living, what obstacles, what factors are diminishing human life and potentials. Doing this would make any subsequent action more sensible. Further, after those, we could see practical ways of regaining balance and functionality even in modern destruction. Does that seem reasonable way to proceed? -VonKrankenhaus

The way they do in the video - this is reliant on food energy too, constant moving and burning. When I was living outdoors in the North, this practice is an issue I worked with out of necessity. I did study before, but then to apply and refine, living provides better instruction, with price of success or failure according to reality. There are other methods not using so much constant movement - people at the bus stop also are doing many movements to stay warm. This is good for the time before the bus comes. When did the bus come for the guys in video? How long are they sitting and moving and being okay constantly expending? In the forest and outside, we did this for months and months - nowhere to go but in cold, even near fire we are still in cold. And not enough food to keep moving so much - not so much better, starving in warm vs starving in cold. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "The OP framed the context, from what other context would one answer it ?" ----- The OP writes the following: ----- "I think it is quite an interesting debate to see peoples opinions on the difference they see between internal practices and external practices. So what are the differences?" ----- I am writing one opinion, mine, on the difference I see between internal practices and external practices, after 45 years of considering and acting on this subject. ----- "I would suggest the more then likely we dont have the same perceptional experiences." ----- Excellent. Then we are prepared to offer the OP "quite an interesting debate" as requested. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "I get put off the moment someone takes such a authoritarian approach," ----- Funny - that's when I usually get put on. Never be confused - there is only one "authority" in truth. So putting on, putting off - it's all okay. Do not mind me, as I am just one person trying to write about things. Even if I am succeed in being a total idiot, we are really just discussing qi cultivation just now. I only writing anything because I just spent 45 years at it, and I saw some things, I now try to describe with others. But - In terms of what does produce "the" effect of normal human life, we would first need to establish, so we are communicating well - what is a human being? And then we will need to establish - what is normal living for human being? To see why we would do this, we need also establish - why would this happen? What is causing this? Once we establish these, it easy to look at where we are in that right now, to judge for ourselves what discrepancies we may uncover, which may also be showing where our actions need to go. Without knowing details to these questions - what could we possibly accomplish, and how would we know? Normal human life is the most advanced physical and spiritual cultivation available as living beings on Earth. Even school biology textbook writes that this is so. Evolutionist believes this, and so forth. It's simple - so what can we do with it? Maybe we can answer - Pre-heaven qi, lost forever? Light Body? I'm just adding to this dialog towards finding out, and starting with the most basic part of these questions. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "All I can say is that this what we used in China, its well understood and known there. The practice methods are different the distinctions of what the practice is on are the ones I outlined. The Ideas and concepts of yi, qi, shen are again in my experience very real and have different effects and use. The original question was what the differences between practices of external arts, and internal ones. I gave the ones we use,,,whether one agrees with it or not is kind of mote. Its not the subject. " ----- Yes. And all that is correct. Anyone taking up martial arts, for example, will encounter this almost universally. I'm writing about after you do that for half a century and more, and after thoughts like internal/external become different in the face of actual perception of experience. These "things" dissolve into each other and leave something else there, smiling at you. But you are very correct about people using this distinction just the way you wrote about it. And it is practical in that context. I'm writing from another context. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "it's a judgement call. you say aquifers and mountain spirngs are the best. well, i have trust issues, so i'm happy to go with second best where i know for certain the water is pure. if there's an issue with minerals being leeched from my body, i can add clean and healthy minerals to my water. or, i can simply accept the "risks" of really clean water and see how it goes." ----- Absolutely. I was just mentioning that demineralization can happen when using stripped (extremely filtered or distilled) water, which is only just some more info to add to this water issue as relate to decalcifying in the body. Please do whatever you prefer and see fit, because you are the ultimate judge of your own actions, not me or anyone else. And yes - there is a lot of pollution in natural water now, so one likes to get testing of these sources, and so on. One thing I have seen for filtered water is to place a small bit of kelp in the water after filtering, to replace minerals. Kelp is filtering the waters of the oceans, and I think kelp has the structure/ability to bind some metals and other contaminants. When all water becomes bad, all life becomes bad. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "yi, "intent" qi, "inner energy" shen "spirit" are considered internal pi, "skin" gu, "bone" jin, "tendon or muscle" are considered external They are very different with different focuses and results. The high level the practice the more profound the differences." ----- I, respectfully, disagree with this assesment. I do understand this in context of beginning practice ideas, but it is impossible. Bone, for example, is antennae. Look at the projections from the spine - these are recieving vibration and soft inside of very condensed nerves is distributing throughout. I think this idea of internal and external is very modern, and is for modern perspective. Otherwise, it is a convenience that the knowing see well past. Seeing muscle, bone - what are we really seeing? Thinking shen, qi - what are we really thinking of? One day we look - it's the same thing. Like if dog runs away. We miss dog and yi goes, qi goes - then bunch of muscles and tendons come back and we become very happy? Yes. Dog "internal" isn't coming back "alone". -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "The mustard seen has faith? Has hope? Interesting!" ----- Yes, it does, and yes, it is. All seeds. It is a relative condition, and the seed acts because of immortality in this condition. Human being eats these seeds. THAT is something interesting. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "reverse-osmosis purified water for the entire house so that you're drinking and bathing in the minimum possible amount of fluoride." ----- Be careful. Water is a solvent, and purified or distilled water is a very strong solvent. The minerals filtered (sedimented) out of distilled water are necessary for human metabolism. When you drink distilled water, your body will provide the missing minerals from your body in a buffer reaction. Some limited amount of this is okay for many people who have been eating refined salt and eating lots of meat animal and having eaten other solvents like sugar and alcohol and have deposits in the body from redistribution of detached (in blood, buffer reaction) minerals - but in a fairly short time this can become very unhealthy. Best is most natural and un-processed water you can find - maybe a reliable aquifier or mountain spring, etc. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Would not an enlightened person understand this? "Smarter to realize the preciousness of all this and go the other way - into caring very much, and giving away this supposedly "unimportant" existence into the service of all others."" ----- "Enlightened" is the problem - not really anyone truly knows what this is. Some people think this is someone who has various ideas and skills and realizations associated with what they have read about, and they are looking for those things to assume about someone who can do a handstand without touching the ground, or something like that. Or someone who looks and acts like people expect them to, etc. So "enlightenment" can be seen as a consumer product that consumers should seek out and puchase from a "reliable" vendor. This gets mixed up in the psychological search for missing or unapproving fathers, in the search for status and achievement, super-hero movies, scientists interpreting and trying to sell some imaginary controllable world, and all kind of junk. I see some people here and elsewhere getting mean about debating who is best and reliable vendor of enlightenment and what enlightenment means. Know that there are people practicing and learning and trying to be this for people, trying to get the "best" knowledge and "corner the market". ----- "There is mention of a few Immortals... all being of superb health + intelligence..." ----- Yes - this is a pre-requisite for continuing study, not the end result. The trainings to begin this are missing today almost 100%. The parts remaining are enough to confuse the world. The task is to attain normal human life functioning. THAT is the "super" ability to attain. Doing a million years of qigong, meditations, psychologies, singing mantra, or looking around house for a flashlight and farting sparks wouldn't really produce even this simple result. But without that, impossible to even attain the enlightenment of a simple farmer. Impossible to know what "immortality" really means. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "The response you wrote about, maturity and virtue, would you say they're identifying aspects of faith?" ----- No, they are not necessary. This is the thing with those masters - seeing some truth or gaining some sensitivity, via Virtue, with Faith as impetus, does not guarantee any particular response. And, initially, seeing beyond good and evil means they are the same thing to many masters. The continuation of Virtue will lead to maturity and understanding, via good or via evil, no matter. Not everyone goes that far. This is something westerners have a hard time with, being so into rules of conduct and social ethics (just as means providing municipal conformity) - that masters capable of really amazing skills or insight could also be gamblers and debauched idiots and be really having fun doing so. Like a cancer doctor who "off-work" smokes cigarettes, etc. Things are not "neat" in real world or in some imaginary "psychological order" ready for consumption as a "good product". In reality, things do not match the logic of social conformity programs, entertainment programming, and school textbooks. So, good masters who know a lot - we watch them die from ordinary causes, or do something "not cool" according to how we might want to think of them. Everyone is free though - even free to "suck". True Faith is not something you wait for a master to show you. And like Faith, Virtue is something each realizes for themselves. Virtue is an unwavering and unflinching devotion to "the Dao", the "order of the universe" or "reality". We all learn Humility too, eventually. Even the "drunken masters". Along these lines, I should mention that I think many people misunderstand what "Immortality" is, especially in relation to various masters, and various posts I read here and around the internet. -VonKrankenhaus

Caffeine produces dull-mindedness. During use, blood vessels open up, increasing blood flow in the brain. The body's homeostasis functions then push against this by trying to contract the blood vessels when caffiene is present. When stopping after chronic use, this compensation is going on for some time afterwards, still contracting the blood vessels despte the caffiene being stopped. This results in lower blood flow in the brain. Energy drinks seem chemically designed to utterly destroy energy and metabolism functions to produce addiction, lethargy, and even chronic,,, idiocy. -VonKrankenhaus

Faith is not an illusion of the mind to a tiny mustard seed - it's a fact. Do we have the faith of a mustard seed? And not every seed grows. Knowing this, the mustard seed has Hope. The mustard seed is not into psychological concepts, so Hope and Faith are equal to the mustard seed. Having full humility, which is true audacity, the mustard seed simply expresses its nature, which is all nature. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Maybe, I could sit under a tree and do this initial practice you suggest ? Sounds like meditation outdoors (day and night)." ----- Under a tree is okay as long as it isn't such a big tree that one ends up in the dark. What I suggested is very basic, but it is a good way to imprint natural cycle and hormonal response to Sun-Earth relationship. Days doing that are time away from TV, computer, artificial light, and returning us into a better relation with the natural environment. Many people have gone very far off from a natural relationship with light. In terms of spiritual practice we are starting with the big light that is close, and after establishing this very well we start towards the farther and farther away light. Then we start looking for vibration that is faster than light. Then we go even further than that. -VonKrankenhaus