vonkrankenhaus

No. Civilization and Agriculture are man-made interventions meant to aggregate power by producing large artificial populations abstracted from natural order in various environments where this could not naturally happen. If you think Civilization is producing normal natural human beings as nature does, you are mistaken. And it has only become more abstract and synthetic over time. Soon, people will be born into patented DNA and structure, in artificial wombs. Right now, the normal ones are made to be more synthetic, but later - 100% synthetic. This is the major issue in the world today - the side effects of this grab for power that has been going on for some thousands of years. -VonKrankenhaus

This is true. Even in a war, even in a robbery at gun point, you are free. Nobody is there making assessment or deciding the meaning but you. But then we must look at what "you" is and how this functions. And that is what you describing. I am merely adding that we must also consider the raw physiological functioning, or how "intact" someone is as a human to have good human functioning. Natural functioning as produced by nature is as you say. But modern humans are not really produced by natural means or phenomena and are not functioning normally at all. That is why what you are detailing is a "novelty" now - something people seek. It's just normal human functions. Once human, it just happens. If not really naturally human, this is "esoteric" or "mystical" and such a novelty that people paying thousands of dollars to hear gurus talk about it, etc. Such a novelty that people are thinking universities must study to find it and describe it. Elaborate psychological explorations and expositions are launched to find what ordinary children would do if they were functioning normally.. -VonKrankenhaus

Look deeper. Do neurons feature at all in this? Does awareness? Does functionality? Because, if neurons are in any way important to human functioning, know that humans in developed countries have for some time been injected about 72 times with neurotoxic substances before the age of 18, in conjunction with the consumption of hormone interrupting chemicals in food that the parents ate during conception, gestation and breastfeeding, and other subsequent "medications". Then they get about 13 straight years of overt brainwashing. Do not underestimate the effect this has on access to the functionality we are describing. Changing thought is good, but consider what is doing this and what condition it is in. This is why we do "cultivation" of ourselves. Modern way is to let rich people cultivate everyone with corporations, and I am saying that what they produce is not "fully" up to what you and I are discussing. -VonKrankenhaus

This is all true. Everything regarding this in humans is assaulted from birth by those who want to diminish and control people. Because this is, by today's standards, the most powerful thing in all of creation. More powerful than any man-made mechanical "weapon" or manufactured "tool". Rather, it can easily comprehend and control all of those, and supersede them at any time, or simply remove all need of them. -VonKrankenhaus

Tao just means "Way" - like "the Way" to make a sandwich. Tao is not a thing of any kind, formed or unformed, nor is Tao "energy" of any kind. Not a place or thing or "force". Those are all misinterpretations. Tao is just "the way it goes" or "as it happens". -VonKrankenhaus

That's Buddhism. I thought this post was instead about Taoism. -VonKrankenhaus

It's a work that has had different versions and people who edited it. It's basically a manual geared towards application of a small number of philosophical and ethical principles to the running of a municipality. DaoDeJing isn't a full discourse on cosmology or philosophy, and is especially not a Qigong or Neigong manual. "Neutrality" isn't really an ideal in Taoism. YinYang isn't symmetrical or reversible, so is inherently UN-"balanced". That's communist ideology that does that, not Taoism. Light isn't the reverse of Dark. Dark is just the absence of Light. So this isn't about either balance or neutrality. -VonKrankenhaus

Yes, this is good. His "Book of Changes and the Unchanging Truth" is basics, and I Ching commentaries. But even here, you will see some mistakes. Consult many sources, and become familiar with the Classics and history. -VonKrankenhaus

Try even THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism -VonKrankenhaus

This is not a definition of Taoism. What's in this Tantien? Digestion, assimilation, and reproductive organs and functions. You want to "Enlighten" that? Learn how to eat, and how much, and what results. What you end up with is not the definition of "Taoism" and all that is associated with it, history, time periods, people, folk religion, , etc, etc. But it will help your "belly" and brain - necessary for "enlightenment" of guts. Books about Eastern philosophy in the west often show a Lohan or some image of a Buddha - with a big belly. Book will be about "enlightenment" and maybe has word "Taoism". So your statement has these - TAOISM is the ENLIGHTENMENT of the BELLY. Very simple to see why everyone modern thinks this, from the biggest images and words they see in media. Easy to study Taoism. It is the study that reveals what Taoism is. Bring the belly too, and study Taoism to see what it is. -VonKrankenhaus

Taoist philosophy is basic and plain. The only Way for Nothing to change is to become Something - WuJi, Tao. As it so happens, some thing appeared - TaiJi. That thing exhibits Polarity - YinYang. Polarity generates Movement - Qi. Movement over Time can be measured - Wu Xing. Polarity, Movement, and Time produce All Things. Not mystical. Not esoteric. Not metaphysical. This is cosmological science, such as is used to construct Calendars and create Medicine, etc. -VonKrankenhaus

Jing is the polarities and potentials that generate Movement. YinYang is the study of Movement in Polarities. Qi is the Movement generated. Movement plus Time is Wu Xing. Time means Wu Xing is discerned by the rising of the visible planets. The YinYang of these is the Ten Stems, and this is used to make Calendar and observe Movement over Time. Like the days of the week. That's what "5 Phases" is. Of Movement there is fast and slow Movement, and forward and backward Movement. "Yin Qi" means slow or retrograde Movement. -VonKrankenhaus

The purpose of cultivation is Immortality. But this is misunderstood. A man alone on a mountain eating pine needles - he doesn't need to do that "forever". So that's not it. True cultivator is not mentally disturbed, so no need to "fix" mentality - so that's not the purpose either. Purpose is the ongoing development of Humanity. It's the Human who is in this cultivation. Humanity is two parts - male and female. You appear as a spark in darkness. Movement and Stasis established at an instant - polarity, YinYang. Uterus is an all-dark world that is an inverse of the outside Universe. Uterine surface is like the surface of the planet. Empty dark space inside is like the outside canopy of space is to Earth. Life grows on the surface. Egg settles in lining. You are in 2 parts - placenta and body, connected by a tube. At birth, placenta dies and body continues. You are born from an all-dark realm into half-light and half-dark realm of YinYang lessons. By polarity you grow and reproduce. Your body here is 2 parts - body and head, connected by a tube. Neck is like umbilicus was in the uterus. By polarity you are taught about yourself and the environment that is making you. You cultivate techniques of balance, homeostasis, and interaction, to stay alive. In this life you develop ability with vibrations and information - thought and mind, etc. Your 2 parts - Body dies and functions of head continue as "spirit". Body was like the placenta was in the womb, and dies like the placenta did at birth. Thoughts and mind still functioning after the body is gone - for up to about 49 days. When you die you are born into an all-light world of "spirit". It is a realm of thought and mind. As you think, things there are. A movement of this mind in the stasis of Death is the spark that caused your appearance. The development in these 3 realms is Humanity. If you cultivate this, Humanity will continue on this Earth "immortally". Environment that produces you teaches you how and why. One day of life teaches many numbers and polarities which reflect in everything else. You live and learn. This is where all stuff like "calendars", Wu Xing, Lo Shu, and "medicine", etc, are realized and understood. From this, you can make techniques, if you need them - times of famine, oppression, any obstacles - you can learn. Movement in polarities is Qi. Study and development of these movements is Qigong - working with movement in polarities - all manifest phenomena are due to polarity. This is not what most will think of, but cultivation is dealing with this. It does not mean an eternal state of some kind of psychological or spiritual happiness or an infinite life wearing rags or being in a movie. It's also not what western academics of the 1800s & 1900s said. -VonKrankenhaus

I made no statements about SOTG here at all. Show me one if you think I did. I fully accept what "John Chang" did - he did a stunt with carbon disulfide and phosphorus that many others also do. He demonstrated a low-watt LED lamp. And he and some filmmakers fooled a lot of ignorant people while being seen through and ignored by people who know better. And there isn't even the slightest shred of evidence that the fire stunt wasn't just the common chemical trick. None whatsoever. Anywhere. -VonKrankenhaus

No, I'm not "wrong" at all. I am not aware of these being real and do not know anyone who was supposedly healed of anything. Maybe they're real quotes, but that wouldn't be proof of anything anywhere. It's just something a guy said. A guy said he did some things. Wouldn't mean anything in court, for example. But if they saw the stuff in the movie, they saw faking and showbiz too, because that's all there is in the video. Wouldn't matter if seeing the fire stunt in the video in person or on video - it's the same gag, and people either fall for it or not. Do you have any actual proof of anything and not just someone's hearsay? I read some silly debates with some of the people you posted. Not convincing of much except of what I have already written. -VonKrankenhaus

I have seen no proof that any such people or treatments or trainings actually exist. I did see the BBC doc video, but that just showmanship and contains obvious tricks to fool people, like the carbon disulfide fire trick and low-watt LED lamp, etc - all debunked to roof online for years and years.. -VonKrankenhaus

I've seen no proof that he ever actually healed anything in anyone. What I've seen is the movie of a street performer some guys made to try to sell to the BBC knowing that the audience would have no background in the subject matter being twisted to make any distinction of truth. And I see people who never studied anything with anyone would rather believe they are seeing a guy ignite paper with his mystical power than realize this is a simple chemical trick detailed in a very popular book from 1962. I know some people can't "go back" on such idiocy, because that would reveal them to be and have been,,, idiots. So I'm not surprised that such people would even try to rewrite traditions and whole systems of knowledge they never studied in their attempt to not look like an idiot. But really, that only makes the whole thing look more idiotic. -VonKrankenhaus

No. That is not power. Humans are doing that to themselves, every day, all over the place. A master is someone who can help humans for real. Not just tell them fantasy stories about what other people could do if they were Masters. -VonKrankenhaus

I do agree that this discussion with you guys is a lot like one that could be seen if one had never left middle school. OK. Convection is a kind of Qi, a kind of movement between the poles of a polarity. I say electricity is another one, another kind of Qi. In one kind, it is heat that is moving. In the other it is electrons moving. Qi is the movement, not the varying substances that may be moved. Show us how convection is "sometimes" a physical substance. -VonKrankenhaus

Please show us a picture of an physical object you made out of "Qi" as the building material. Should be easy if Qi is a physical thing or substance. Show us. Grasp some "Qi" and show us the physical substance "Qi" in your hand in a picture. -VonKrankenhaus

That's in response to my statement: And you are trying to say that "convection" is a substance "in certain conditions". Did you attend school as a kid? That's a middle school subject you are getting wrong. -VonKrankenhaus

Nobody here proved Qi is any specific thing or substance in any way. Neither has anyone else, ever. That would be like telling us that "convection" is a physical object and not a process, or that "literacy" is something you can measure by the pound. Qi is just movement. No movement = no Qi. All you've proved is that you have never studied this subject matter at all. -VonKrankenhaus

Have you ever studied any of those things you mention? No. Obviously not. Qi is just movement in a polarity. It isn't a physical thing or substance at all. Not in any way. -VonKrankenhaus

This just refers to the 3 body centers, the three Dantiens. Lower one is Digestive and Reproduction functions. - Jing - effect your "constitution" & substance Middle one is Circulatory and Respiratory functions - Qi - movement is happening Upper one is Thinking and Nerve functions - Shen - "spirit" - stuff you cannot see happens here These are not physical substances. Jing is not a substance. Qi is not a substance, and Shen is not a substance. -VonKrankenhaus

Please tell us what type. -VonKrankenhaus