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Crackpot? www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf‎ -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Well then ... where did the post come from ? Did you make it up as a fantasy or fiction? Bait ? Something else ? Observations of others that are not their opinion ?" ----- I wrote what I wrote, and in that are suggestions of how I came to view what I have. And that's it for me on this subject. If you have more to add of your own views to the thread, then feel free. I haven't disagreed with any true fact you have provided, and I have no intention of "debating" this. You just gave a long opinion or discussion about my post, and that is fine, and this one from me is just a reply. My posts on the actual subject stand as my statements here of experience in the matter, and anyone can take or leave or think about or ignore any of it. Further info from my explorations relating to this can be found in the book I am currently finishing regarding some lesser-known aspects of the first battle of the Revolutionary War in 1775. I'll announce it here when it is available. I spent 33 years (no kidding) writing it. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: Incredible. Perhaps, if anyone was able to read it and remember what it contained, they could post about it and I would respond with re-presentation of some of the ideas it addressed. I will take precaution to write longer posts in a separate text editor so there is another copy available should this happen again. Thank you. -VonKrankenhaus

Sincere apologies to VonKrankenhaus for my stupidity in editing his post instead of quoting it as intended. I hope you'll be able to recall what you wrote as it was quite worthy of this discussion. -- Soaring Crane (not feeling terribly soar-y right now)

Re: "Nungali" ----- "Who can blame them when opinions like this are around ;" vonkrankenhaus, on 22 Dec 2014 - 14:22, said: The "esoteric" slant offered is bait to gain and keep members. It is "bull-shit". Same shit, different empire.Freemasonry has a lot more to do with how to organize a municipality secretly so that, to the public, it looks like it "just happened" in the same way, everywhere. It has parallels with the elite cult of Sol Invictus during the Roman Empire, a cult of people drawn from elite circles and families (unifying) in the "human control" fields of finance, military, government, etc, while the public was given literalist Christianity to follow, by force. -VonKrankenhaus ----- I would just like to respond to this and point out that I don't really have an opinion about it, and what I wrote was not in any way an opinion of mine, or of anyone else I know. Also, my post as quoted was re-arranged. If someone here has more actual firsthand experience with Masonry, and individuals and groups of Masons, than I do, or "any", and finds the rituals and oaths to be truly spiritually-oriented and truly based in "esoteric" practices that produce any sort of developmental progress in spiritual understanding, then they could certainly describe these if they'd like, and they would be secure in the knowledge of their own experience. But I know it won't be Masons doing this, and, obviously, nobody who has posted on this subject in this thread is a Freemason. I would like to add that I have had many friends who are Masons, going back several decades, and they are some of the best people I know. My post was a description based on my personal life experiences, combined with studies in history, and, please do not think that I am antagonistic at all in my description. I will admit to using briefly a "modern scientific term" for the rituals themselves in the context of something like "human spiritual endeavors", but my doing so was motivated in accuracy in reporting, not the projection of attitude or opinion. Please go as far into this topic as you like, or can, and see if what I wrote is incorrect. Please consider that relying on trying to interpret Masonic rituals as described in books or online from "outside" would maybe not be sufficient to address fully what I wrote, and certainly not sufficient to imply that writing like that is in any way a true reason for secrecy in Freemasonry. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- The Tao is natural. All forced manipulations and concoctions are in vain. Some people guard their minds and settle their ideas and thoughts, some people hold their breath and keep it in the abdomen, some people perform psychosomatic energy-circulation exercises. When these people come to the end of their lives and find everything they did was useless, they will resent the gods, also uselessly." ----- This is beautiful. But, understand relative and absolute, because that is what this is about - the absolute - and not whether or not you or anyone should think or breathe do exercises for some relative gain. It's about what you might believe you are achieving or accomplishing in doing so, in an absolute sense, or "in the face of the absolute". -VonKrankenhaus

Freemasonry has a lot more to do with how to organize a municipality secretly so that, to the public, it looks like it "just happened" in the same way, everywhere. It has parallels with the elite cult of Sol Invictus during the Roman Empire, a cult of people drawn from elite circles and families (unifying) in the "human control" fields of finance, military, government, etc, while the public was given literalist Christianity to follow, by force. The "esoteric" slant offered is bait to gain and keep members. It is "bull-shit". Same shit, different empire. -VonKrankenhaus

Re" ----- "I can feel most of my qi seeping out through my feet in the very middle of the food, in front of the arch. How do you stop this? It's a very unsettling feeling have qi constantly escaping from there throughout the day...." ----- End point of the kidney meridian. I get the part about cultivation, thinking of rooting, and your small circulation practice - but the food you are taking in can easily have a more obvious effect than these practices. So maybe you are either exhausting or over-activating (stressing) your kidneys. Do you have hardness, tension, in the foot at this point on the bottom of the foot? Or would you say it feels more like emptiness or slack there? You may be (even "unconsciously") trying to compensate for kidney stagnation (office job, tired, sedentary) by taking something too strong. Could be coffee or some kind of spices, etc. - something that might get you going temporarily, but contribute to more overall long-time exhaustion. The small circulation and rooting practices may merely have drawn your conscious attention to what is happening in the kidney meridian overall. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "helpful things... the good - root in complementing - not in destroying of something one declares as evil..." ----- But as these polarities, such as Kan/Li, are clearly, to our "common sense", also "antagonistic", we could also say YinYang is showing "complimentary opposites" - or even "complimentary antagonisms". That kind of wording seems to point more to the "paradox acceptance" necessary for mechanistic dualists (who tend to see "things" and not processes) to start to look into this (and many other) understandings. Because, overall, we do not see "Yin and Yang" as two "things" engaged in "fighting", we see them as complimentary opposites (appearing as polarity, as phenomena) continually coming from and returning to/as One. "Helpful", "Evil", "Good", "Bad" - these are just relative, vanities of those who do not see a large view yet. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "No the spark is whats generated between the two charged poles coming close in proximity ." ----- I don't see that as being how an electrical circuit works (IE: a battery with two wires attached, where we touch the wires). Current doesn't flow between two "charged poles". And it doesn't flow back and forth. It flows from a power source to ground. It is a convention to name the ground pole or wire "-". It's not as if the "-" pole is "charged up" with ground. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "I don't use yang and yin like the Asian cultures . I use them in a scientific way." "Im a Irish American who knew nothing about this yang yin stuff until Feb of this year" ----- Well,,, okay,,,why didn't you write this at the start of the thread? That stuff above, just those two sentences out of the many, give some good perspective to anyone trying to make their way through those long expositions containing scores of assertions. I just got here on TTB forum, so I haven't had any sort of background of seeing who posts what and who anyone is or isn't. I do welcome any experiences that "personalize" things and increase understanding. In any event, I too am interested in scientific, and other, explanations and applications of YinYang thinking. I've been looking at, experiencing, and thinking about these things for over 4 decades and I have found imeasurable fun in it, including my participation in this thread, which has been fun for all kinds of reasons. Thanks to everyone participating. Re: ----- "take the poles of a charged up car battery and touch the positive to negative BAM !! sparks touch two like poles of two batteries . Nothing" ----- That spark isn't rejection or repelling. It's yin/yang attraction as current moving from a power source to ground. The attraction is strong, and It'll burn up anything too small to go through, such as a tiny narrow wire, or air, or a human finger. Touching like poles means no flow of yin/yang, no polarity, no duality. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Yin attracts yin and yang attracts yang ." ----- If we label the "-" and "+" poles of a magnet "yin" and "yang", would two magnets attract when their yin poles meet? Or would they attract when the opposite poles meet? Yin repels yin and yang repels yang in that example, and many others. Yin attracts yang and yang attracts yin. BIG yin attracts SMALL yin, and BIG yang attracts SMALL yang. And that is what is behind the "law of attraction" people talk about. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- there's a conflict here though. If yin is the absence of a thing and yang is the thing, then how do you consider the heavens above, ( the absence of things) as yang and earth Yin ? ----- The absence of "a thing" is "no things" - so there is no phenomena, no yin/yang. Uni. One. The view that Heaven is yang and Earth is yin means that the viewer is not looking at the physical phenomena, the "objects", but more like looking at the "actions", or "how that thing is moving". If we look at physical phenomena to judge, then it is obvious that Heaven is right now expanded and Earth is right now condensed in comparison. Expansion is "spirit" and contraction is "matter" - and if we choose to look at it this way then Heaven is expanded or "yin" and Earth is compacted or "yang". TCM is not looking at physical in saying Heaven is yang and Earth is yin - it is looking at "actions" and "effect". Macrobiotics is one group using the expanded/yin and contracted/yang way of looking, because it is an adaptaion trying to explain these in physical terms to westerners and modern scientists who have been thought to have a materialist leaning. The profile image: Nothing is completely and solely yin or yang. That would be the end of "thing", the end of phenomena. YinYang is about phenomena. One is not Yin and not yang, but one-ness. Infinite One, expanding in all directions from One, will "meet itself" infinitely. If it doesn't, then no phenomena could exist. -VonKrankenhaus

Is the function of zazen to develop sensitivity? If so, energy drinks, tea, and coffee will all be "detrimental" if used regularly or habitually. Stimulants open up blood vessels (esp in the brain), increase blood flow. This added blood flow gives a felling of "awakeness" or "alertness". But the body's homeostasis functions take this dramatic expansion influence of the stimulant and counter-act it - causing the vessels to contract more, in an attempt to balance. This contraction causes a condition of less blood flow. Which means the body will still be compensating for a while after the stimulant use is stopped. This is "withdrawal" that an addict of stimulants goes through upon stopping - dull, heavy head, less aware, less alert, less awake. That is not sensitivity. Nor is it freedom. However - go up in altitude in some high mountains, the Andes, Himalayas - then you see slightly different physiological issues regarding the traditional use of stimulants, which may be useful tools of adjustment at altitude. The same stuff happens, but it is mitigated somewhat by the environment in that circumstance. Seems clear that "energy drinks" may have been concocted with the assistance of biochemists in an attempt to make as many people as possible dullminded, because that is the general result we see in ordinary people. The energy drink drinkers and those knuckle-dragging office workers slogging over to Starbucks for another "fix". -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "I never heard of a woman capable of performing true Fajin (= transfer of condensed high frequenzy mind+chi fusion)" ----- Ha! Have you ever been present at a birth? Even the most confused (by modern "educations") woman will execute some truly amazing fa-jin. And that's just one thing, birth. And there are women in this world who really understand birth, and much more. Makes emitting a spark from the hand, or knocking a guy over, seem quite rudimentary. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "How would a Taoist handle these situations?": 1. A student's friends have tried smoking pot and are trying to get them to start. 2. A student has just found $100 in the hall 3. A student knows that a friend is cheating on tests 4. A student sees an opportunity to take something they have really wanted, without being caught ----- This looks more like issues for a Confucian. To the Taoist - what is there to be done? Relative to what? Handle? I mean, "A student has just found $100 in the hall". Just now, I heard a seagull screech. It is very dry inside of heated buildings. Seems like an interesting school though. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: 5-pointed star, pentagram, 8 orbits - these patterns & structures and numbers are also seen in qigong theory 5 phases and 8 vessels, so also in the general ways of materialization (physicalization) and de-materialization ("spiritualization") and especially of change amongst the "Phenomenal World". Of course, there is also the interesting relation of Venus and Earth from a variety of perspectives, including the orbital coincidences depicted. Nice images. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "I am consciousness eternal, I am not disappearing I am changing my perspective. I am exploring, experiencing, learning." ----- So, You are "The Infinite One". I agree. Or, are you a manifestation, among manifestations, of The Infinite One? You must be both. So you are going from Infinite to Finite, and going from Finite to Infinite. You "physicalize" and "spiritualize". You "appear" and "disappear". God made Man in his own image, isn't that what they say? If so, then this could be what they mean by it. And "as above, so below". So what is more is to discuss the way of this "coming and going". -VonKrankenhaus

I mean "Heaven" as in "Heaven/Man/Earth", not the biblical sort of "Heaven/Hell" stuff. The Infinite, or, Infinite Heaven. So, if we look at Heaven, or The Infinite, or even UNI-verse, as experiencable phenomenon, then it must have a complimentary opposite - like The Finite. Perhaps we could call that Finite - looking at it as "opposite" of The Infinite - the Physical. A wave, in physics, of shorter and shorter wavelength, increasing in frequency, eventually reaches a point where the wave is moving at Infinite "speed". This may be called Spiritualization". Slower and slower waves, decreasing in frequency, may be seen as Physicalizing. Going back to One, isn't it said that the Universe is expanding in all directions? If so, then this Infinite One is going to bump into itself, infinitely. Each collision appears as a "dualism", thus is the creation of the Phenomenal World. So above I merely counted from 1 to 2. Dualistic Monism. YinYang demonstrated inside a circle - like your profile image @"Tao Master". But the two little dots you do not include (but logically and intuitively must form at the same instant) - that's what to 'get into' next? And the real thing this thread asks to discuss should be discussed too - which seems to be, amongst the Phenomenal World - how do we most clearly discern "what is yin and what is yang", yes? -VonKrankenhaus

There are many ways of seeing yinyang. We can look at yinyang of "things". We can look at the yinyang of "processes". We can look at the "effect". We could look at the "direction". Yinyang is a form of dialectic thought, but since it is rooted in an understanding of the bifurcation of "oneness", we could also call this a sort of "dialectic monism". One, Two, Three, and so forth. The way these things are expressed, both from source-to-source and within one source, are often inconsistent. A large part of the inconsistency is due to appropriation of ideas from one source to another without true regard to context. One example I have seen is that when people coming from TCM, for example, will normally categorize "Heaven" as "yang" and Earth as "yin". People coming from studying, for example, macrobiotics will normally categorize "Heaven" as "yin" and Earth as "yang". So I have seen "taoist" authors such as Mantak Chia (among many others) referring to Heaven as yang - until they start writing about "diet" - where they suddenly start referring to Heaven as "yin", like macrobiotics - and possibly this is simply because they have grafted their diet ideas from macrobiotics without truly reading them. Do they understand the reasons for the differences in classifying between the two (among others) systems of thought? I would be interested in having a detailed dialog about yinyang classifications and expressions to explore the different ways various groups and people have taken up in seeing and applying yinyang understanding. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "For the record... at least 5,000 years of human existence has documented proof of this... you can get what you need to understand from the environment; you will feel it quickly, even as a beginner. You don't need determination as much as an open awareness of the universe. If you enjoy it, then you will naturally return to it; not from duty of practice but from a 'call from the distant past'. This is what will separate you from some advice here: Duty or Destiny... You should follow the latter." ----- I just want to say, that's a very good bit of writing. Could be about anything at all and still applicable. Very good. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "You can't deny it and then say "yes something like that is possible"..." ----- Well, what I actually wrote was: "The most accomodating and generous way to look at that is to admit, yes, something like the direction of that is possible, but I am writing about much more and much better than that in terms of development." What I mean is that people want to know how to materialize and de-materialize, and in fact they are doing just that right now, both. Over the span of their lives and at every moment. Without understanding that and intelligently participating in it, then this additional idea of physically "appearing" and "disappearing" is completely out of reach. I write "additional" because it is just a subset, a "particle" or "speck" of their overall "coming and going". So, to appear and disappear - where did you first appear from at all, and how? Where are you "disappearing to? And if you are interested in "bi-location", then that means you first understand being fully in one location. This is not logic game or semantics. It's the beginning of the path towards these things being discussed by us now. We can discuss further as far as anyone would like to see. -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- "Are we raising a new brand of child because of the parents' interaction with their gadgets?" ----- We are. And because of things like living in houses, "managed" birth, "education", eating food flown-in from scattered points around the Earth, and all of the other tools of human domestication and selective breeding. The interesting thing about computers and "smart"-phones is how they have funneled not just people's communications, but their sensing and communication ability, into and through proprietary devices and networks and hardware/software interfaces that change so many things about the way people interact and who is privy to and involved in people's communications. Despite marketingspeak like "information superhighway" and so forth, the available information and manner of interacting is being effectively reduced. In person, you can see my expression, gestures, and hear my tone, emotions, and a whole range of things humans do in communicating, some of them fairly subtle. But when we communicate through an email application, much of this is removed. Texting on a phone reduces even further. From email to Twitter we see a further reduction - so now we not only don't have even what we would have just standing next to each other, but we've gone from large text fields in email to tiny text submission boxes with character limits. The networks and associated data-mining capabilities expand greatly while all this reduction is happening, so that we are on a huge information "superhighway", but we are, increasingly, "driving" on it in a thimble. It's almost to the point where our communications reveal this increasing amount of data about ourselves, by default, including our location, contacts, etc - but these same communications actually involve communicating less and less with each other in terms of type and amount of data. And we are communicating with each other through devices designed, and networks owned, by "someone" who is now party to our communications on both ends - both in shaping or "tailoring" (via devices and software), and recieving (all of this data). -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- - Remote viewing regarding unknown places and objects - Remote viewing regarding people, including their physical and psychological characteristics, personal history, environment, etc. - Telepathic communication - Healing by spiritual energy - Foreseeing future events - Travelling in the astral body ----- These are actually fairly common abilities that many, many people have reported or demonstrated (both currently and throughout history), and many of these without undertaking any form of direct(ed) cultivation at all. So acheiving these is more like achieving generally ordinary human functioning. And yes, even that is looking like a huge step now. Because few are even doing what results in a real human being. If someone wants to experience further development than that, they will have to pass through that growth of being at least "normal" on the way. If the will cannot even reach that, how could it be expected to attain further, to graduate to further developments and skills? -VonKrankenhaus

Re: ----- materialize and dematerialize at will? ----- Well,,, be careful. I am tossing you some gems, but that is maybe just a rock you are asking about. The most accomodating and generous way to look at that is to admit, yes, something like the direction of that is possible, but I am writing about much more and much better than that in terms of development. Maybe more like (but still not really accurate): Live and die at will. Much bigger issue. Much more important. Or even: Know what "will" is. Even bigger. So, these I start to describe are the "ways of coming and going" in the largest possible meaning. -VonKrankenhaus