kio

My perception of the disagreement is that you say Light came first and that it is primarily Yang. I say that in order for anything to exist and maintain its existance, Yin and Yang must be Equal. It's analogous to Newton's Third Law: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." Light is equally Yin and equally Yang. If Light is the first Created thing, and Light, when created, is created equally Yin and Yang, then how is it that "yang comes first"? The way I see it, if Light is primarily Yang, it wouldn't be stable enough to take substantial form because there's an imbalance in what fundamentally holds it together; it would collapse back into "Primordial Chaos." If Water is the Life, then Water is the First Substance of Things

Trust me, I've been outside the box. and I mean this both literally and figuratively. This is an incorrect way of looking at things. Both Yin and Yang are truth. Truth is not a matter of being right or wrong (yang or yin), it's about whether or not a Thing (concept, object, theory) conforms to the interaction of Natural Principles. Yin and Yang are Natural Principles, so anything that is True must conform to their interaction. I agree with this. It's called the 'Fixt Point'. You contradict yourself here. If Life is neither yang nor yin, then you can't attribute yang characteristics to it. I agree, but they come into existance at the same time. They define each other. If the sun came first, into where did it manifest? Obviously, the answer is the space surrounding it. Which you attributed as being like Yin. it appears to me that you may think you know, but don't properly understand. A black hole is both yin and yang. Yin because of its inward force, Yang because this force is active.

I see Light as being both Yin and Yang. For anything to exist it must have two properties - a Force (Yang), and a Form (Yin). The Form of Light is what is seen, the Force of that Form is the rate of vibration, or the color. It is common to say, that is a very intense Red, or, a dull Grey. This describes the Force of the color's Form. Shadow is also Yin and Yang. Its Form is what is seen, and its force is the rate of vibration - which is relative to the amount of Light in the surrounding environment. During the day, the Shadow's rate of vibration is lessened, during the night it is amplified. One of these is more Yin or more Yang, but there will not be any created thing that isn't both Yin and Yang. And thus, the Law of Duality.

I see this is a fundamental premise for you, but the Principles in Nature don't interact like this. If yang were to exist first, how would involution occur (involution is how Everything developed and grows)? How would matter collect, condense, and fix together? How would the vacuum of space exist? If Yang came first, Everything would have Yang at its center, and Everything would move outwards. This is clearly not the case in Nature. Yang develops inside of Yin, there for Yin develops Yang. The Egg develops the Sperm (toward Unity). But before Yin and Yang, there is Primordial Unity, which is only the possibility-to-become both yin and yang. What came first isn't the appropriate way to look at it, they arise at the exact same time

I have seen differently. First there is One. One recognizes Itself, and the act of recognzing Itself is what creates Two -- the attention One gives inwards is Yin, while what it sees is Yang moving out of Itself to meet the gaze. Now that there is Two and One Thing, there is Three. Because there are Three, there is manifestation.

Hey there everyone, nice to be here. My name is Kio, I live in Montana. I've been interested in Taoism for quite a wihle now, probably running on eight years. I practice Neidan, but the theory behind it I derive from the Western Mystery tradition rather than the East -- mostly because I can't speak Chinese, and eastern literature is scarce. My username isn't supposed to mean anything specific, it just has a nice ring to it (but, if one of you know a Chinese character or Kanji for it, I would be interested in seeing it). Anyways, glad to be here; looking forward to conversations with everyone