Bindi

If total global control for whatever purpose is the goal. The only group I know of with a global control agenda is Islam, and it’s just possible they might succeed, but who do you think wants and could gain global control, the US? Or a world government?

“In the future it will be a question of finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as it exceeds 60-65 years man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly, then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially the stupid ones. Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. We cannot of course execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good. Too large a population, and for the most part unnecessary, is something economically too expensive. Socially, it is also much better for the human machine to come to an abrupt halt rather than gradually deteriorating. We won’t be able to run intelligence tests on millions and millions of people, you can imagine! We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated. We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.” Is the thinking that wuhan created the virus with a number of world leaders to reduce the elderly, weak and useless population? Then why would governments across the globe be trying to stop the COVID deaths??? There’s only been 3,778,701 deaths so far, not enough to make a dent in the old and fat population yet. Death by vaccine is woefully inadequate, that’s just in the thousands, so that’s not going to work. Most efficient would have been to call it just a little flu, have no restriction of movement or social distancing, no vaccine or cure, and wipe out maybe half the fat and elderly, more if they were lucky. It seems to me governments have missed the Attali boat that so fortuitously floated by.

As a very slight aside, have you ever considered that DNA, our most fundamental building block, is the same pattern as the one offered by Yoga as the subtle energy body? Coincidence, or an instance of nature with its ever repeating patterns? Absolutely, and it happens an awful lot.

Another way of looking at things. We are not our physical body, not our emotional and mental aspects, and we are not our witness mind, but consciousness has to reside as and fully integrate into our physical and emotional and mental aspects as well as our witness mind for a while, “acutely aware of what we are doing and thinking.” Does anyone here experience bliss whilst still being acutely aware of what they are doing and thinking? Has anyone gone beyond this sort of permanent and ‘integrated’ bliss to consciousness within the ‘True Self’, which is really the thing that has to be birthed. To dismiss the koshas and the concept of bringing consciousness to them is to dismiss the reality of consciousness as it really is. To not be able to intelligently discuss the koshas is not an achievement, it’s a gaping hole in self-understanding, as is not understanding the channels, or the chakras, or the dantians. Understanding these things is inevitable if the nature of consciousness has been examined, and discussing them intelligently is par for the course, not a distraction or an error.

I think “How easy or hard is it?” is a perfectly reasonable question, and my answer would be “Very hard”. The difference is between the idea that the Self is one realisation away vs the idea that there is a journey of consciousness from the lower dantian through the middle dantian to the upper dantian, and the multitude of issues that need to be resolved on the way for the energy system to operate efficiently and correctly (perhaps similar to undoing the three granthis in Yoga).

I think humanity as a whole has gained a hard won rationality, West and East, and as a result we have all become imbalanced, and the way to gain balance is ultimately the same for us all. My split would be more along the lines of verbal and pre-verbal society, I imagine sophisticated communication allowed us to develop rationality, at the expense of a previous balance. The solution to me is that we retain our rationality, and boost its opposite whatever you might like to call that. I call it EQ.

I believe the subtle body is the energy form that is visible as the emotions and mentations, and that at its most energised and balanced it reflects into the world as compassion and wisdom. I suspect that when the subtle body is fully energised and balanced, this gives birth to the next level, something that is not currently reflected in us, maybe not even in existence until the energised and balanced subtle body ‘births’ it. To me Westerners are working with the subtle body via psychology models, Freud’s emotional/mental complexes are the kinks and knots in the subtle body, and a perfectly valid place to start affecting the subtle body for the better.

Can you relate this to the subtle energy body, ie., how personality is worked with energetically, and what ‘presence’ looks like energetically?

Having been a member here for a few years, I have seen a few different descriptions of subtle energy bodies. One member described it as feeling like the Michelin man, with magnetic rings rotating, another more recently described his energy body as feeling like wearing a sumo wrestling suit. Someone I know personally described his lower dantian as feeling like a gyroscope in his abdomen. On a more general level, yoga describes the two side channels of Ida and pingala and the central channel with more and more refined channels sitting within the central channel. Neidan concentrates on developing a channel up the back and down the front. I do wonder about this, I don’t know if there is any relation between these two perspectives. I personally experience the subtle energy body as being more like the yoga model. I do recall someone describing his MCO (up the back and down the front) as feeling like spinning his wheels, all empty channels but no qi filling them, he gave up on Daoist energy work and tried something entirely different. Another member here described the front part of the MCO as like water flowing down her front. The feeling of water would indicate qi flow IMO. Are these the sort of differences you’re interested in?

I don’t think ‘Spirit’ would have changed over the last couple of thousand years, I get the idea Spirit is changeless. Say Spirit holds the blueprint for how the subtle energy body should be developed, that blueprint is equally unchanged in the last couple of millennia. Then the only thing that changes is how energy runs in our subtle bodies.

I see the energy body as a system, made of subtle channels and dantians and chakras, much like the vascular system with its channels (and the organs that keep it functional). It is this subtle energy body system that needs clearing and development. Perhaps we have an underlying perfect spirit, but the subtle energy system that spirit might inhabit is not functional without specific efforts. Channels are blocked, and need to be cleared for qi to flow through them. Dantians need to be activated and developed. Consciousness needs to be brought to Chakras. Without energy work this entire system remains non-functional, no matter how perfect the presumptive Spirit may be.

I believe all people have the same potential energy body, and that there is a fundamental energy body blueprint that desires to be manifested, but accessing that blueprint is almost impossible. I think that some of these fundamental blueprint outcomes are recorded in the Daoist and neidan literature, but these outcomes are mostly practised as the method, using mental intention. These intentions, having been produced at various times by various people’s normal minds, are so random that the result is inevitably an energy body that is incomplete or lopsided or odd in some way. For me I see evidence in some of the Daoist/neidan literature of someone or some people Millenia ago who were in possession of the authentic blueprint, which as far as I’m concerned lends credibility to many of the principles of Daoism.

I’ve always used dreams as a source of useful and valid information, which I think is not compatible with dream yoga. For me dreams reflect what is going on emotionally and mentally at a subconscious level, which I have found to be valuable in teasing out what is conditioning and what is natural, but they have also often enough showed me a state that I am to work towards energetically. For me dreams are invaluable, but used in an entirely different manner to dream yoga, and with an entirely different end point.

Yes, this is true, until they are both clear and open. From swamij - 2: Causing Ida and Pingala to flow evenly: The first step in Kundalini Awakening is balancing the flow of energy in Ida and Pingala. This means that equal amounts of Prana are flowing in the left and right sides. It is most readily evidenced by the breath flowing evenly in the two nostrils. Sandhya, the wedding: The union or balancing of Ida and Pingala is like a marriage. It is the wedding of sun and moon, night and day. This wedding is called sandhya, and like with a marriage, is a time of great joy, only this is a meditative joy. In this wedding even the mind and the breath are joined in a happy union.

I believe so. I have come across this idea, but it doesn’t make much sense to me. The older idea of male/female, logical/intuitive, solar/lunar, hot/cold and left/right make more sense to me. More opposites, not greater or lesser levels. . If anything affecting the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system seem like they would be more a function of the central channel. I’m thinking of yogi’s that can reduce their heart rate and breath rate to extremely low, they’re affecting the parasympathetic nervous system, inhibiting these activities, which sounds quite advanced to me, ie., having control over the nervous system.

Either, a blocked or restricted nostril would indicate blocked or restricted flow in ida or pingala. I think it alternates until both side channels are fully cleared, at which point both nostrils are permanently open. Ive been curious over the years and accepted what I noticed as feedback, good for a reality check. Recently I have found that both nostrils are clear most of the time, and if not the restriction on one side is small. It’s interesting that you have checked over the years as well, have you noticed any overall differences from when you first started checking?

I prefer to PM my response to this

Admittedly, when operating from the ‘True Self Mind’ there might be a different concept of ‘Self’, I don’t know, I can only speak at the moment from the perspective of my current self. In a dream I had of this process there was a cumbersome vine that had to be slowly detached from its supporting structure, and when it finally split apart from the structure and toppled over and vanished, I saw a new fresh vine was growing in its place, though this time not restricted by a structure. This new vine is to me the True Self’s Mind, it is the same in some respects as the old mind, they’re both vines after all, but the new one is not limited.

FWIW I don’t wish to transfer my sense of self to my body, or to the outside, or to the void, or to nirvana. Ultimately I wish to transfer my sense of self to the immortal foetus, and this is a long slow process which requires an actual immortal foetus to begin with, produced exclusively in the lower dantian. I don’t think this is equivalent to a Buddhist’s aim.

I noticed my LDT and worked with it for many years in my own personal way before I ever even heard the word dantian, and unfortunately I cannot include myself in the category of neidanist because I disagree with most neidan methods. The only way I can read the classics is for confirmation after the fact, as I have my own source, a very accomplished seer, and I follow that one source exclusively. Having said that my perspective has developed along very similar lines to the basic neidan perspective which most definitely includes 3 dantians and the contents therein being formed and developed and brought upwards. If this was not your experience, then the neidan method you were using was not working, and it’s understandable that you went in search of something else.

Apparently the Buddha never had the benefit of Laura’s insight, because to early Buddhists awakening “indicates that normal experience is a dream from which Gotama has awoken. Gotama thus sees things as they actually are and, from this awakened perspective, realises that ideas such as ‘world’, ‘self’ or ‘soul’ are not ultimately real.” Very much in his mind I think, and not overly concerned with the body.

Not so with neidan. What happens in practice resembles what is described, and if it doesn’t something has been missed, it is the pot boiling with no rice in it.

So it should be the formation of the foetus in the lower dantian?

I don’t mind reading about Ming and xing though I never really remember what they signify, and they seem to double up sometimes, e.g., Ming can also refer to the idea of self-cultivation, and Xing to what the person experiences from self-cultivation. One cultivates life (Ming) to realize one’s nature (Xing). Once Nature (Xing) is realized, one can know one’s Destiny or Life (Ming)

The historical Buddha wasn’t associated with three bodies or rainbows, he just died and claimed that he would not be reborn. This begs the question though - who or what is not reborn, who or what attains nirvana? Didn’t Tibetan Buddhism develop the three body idea?