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It went pretty quickly from ‘shit you are making up’ to evidence that his private emails were being read, ie. exact private information.

Thankyou for your 2 cents Steve, well said.

No of course he never was, and yet he created a narrative which he has come to believe. Yes, very likely. Her post was hidden, and the thread was closed with this announcement from Tom: Moderator Notice. This thread has gone way off topic. Chas and Lori you both have had time to say your piece. Lori you are new and came here with no other intentions than to attack Jeff with coordinated help for Chas. Chas hasn’t been around in years and came around it seems for the sole purpose of attacking and disparaging a member of the site. Enough is enough and it ends now. If you start another thread to attack another member on this same topic I will suspend you both. This thread is now closed.

there are 2 errors in your assertion, and one questionable remark. The two errors are 1. That it was a dream, and 2. That you were accused. The questionable remark is that Ilumairen ‘KNOWS’ my claim is not true. I will post my part of a private conversation I had with Jeff regarding my assertion at the time it actually happened, because this issue needs clarity. I won’t post Jeff’s part of the conversation in the interests of pm privacy. Now why would ilumairen KNOW this isn’t true?

the subtle body is not actually just a mental construct. intention builds it by directing natural internal energies, but once built it then exists on a subtle level, and the energies it produces can interact with the material world.

I have read that HeartMath is a bit light on in actual scientific measurement.

My mother is able to ‘see’, both the subtle body and into the physical like x-ray sight, and in working closely with her I have built up a picture of my subtle body as it develops. She is not a daoist, yet a lot of what she sees is remarkably similar to Neidan, hence my presence on this forum. For more than two decades I was working on emotional and mental obstructions in the male/female channels, recently this new dimension has come into view, the upper and the lower, more impersonal than male/female, but still describable.

For me it’s anthropocentric constructs that effectively describe what I perceive as I make my way through duality, to wherever that leads. I see things not so much in terms of the structure of the cosmos as the structure of my subtle body, where that fits into the cosmos I have as yet no clue.

Interesting. I would equate male/female with the channels on either side of the central channel and above and below as heaven/earth. They appear to be two very different dimensions to be working with to me, something along the lines of pre-heaven and post-heaven.

when a group collectively suppresses the expression of sexual/mental abuse of some members something pretty cultish is going on.

I always thought the voltage thing was kundalini, it’s not my specialty though, I have no personal experience with it. I’m pretty sure I’ve read about voltage in relation to kundalini though. What do you make of the ‘10,000 volts’ experience?

I recall Jeff collapsed once, like fainted, unconscious, and he promoted this as evidence that he had broken through into some higher state. For Jeff it could never be just a collapse, he always has to spin it to promote his own god like status.

Yes I agree I interpreted it as Jeff’s hand, and there are other possible explanations. Whatever the explanation though, it was coincidental with my brief interaction with Jeff, and not something that has happened before or since my brief interaction with him, and not something that was appropriate to my way. Jeff and his group talk about 10,000 volt energy going through them occasionally, this is seen as something special and indicative of advancement, it’s all wizard of ozish though, as if kundalini is going to get anyone to ultimate truth.

Jeff does not have a legal career, that is misinformation, he is a business consultant.

Beyond the sexual web that Jeff casts, I once “saw” an energy interaction take place between Jeff and I where his hand was trying to prise open an energy point in my subtle body, way down where kundalini is stored, the operative word here being prise. Energetically he was trying to jump start my kundalini system, but as all good daoists know, this is not the right way. To me it was an unacceptable violation of my subtle body, and the reason I am suspicious of his energy interactions to this day. His system to my mind does not ‘follow the dao’, it imposes his energy signature onto others, it’s a hard yang style energy that is noticeable, but IMO won’t actually lead to anything valuable unless you are energy poor and like the feeling of kundalini being revved up. Unfortunately that applies to an awful lot of people, they want to feel energy, and he offers to bring it on, apparently successfully. Problem is, it needs continual group work to keep stoking it, so it’s unstable and not self-controlled, and there is a lot of fascination with male/female dynamics, because this is the highest level they can operate on, it is very clear to me at least that they haven’t been able to go beyond this particular duality.

How has this been helpful to you Jeff?

from the Living unbound site: And Jeff’s response on the LU site: ...there is no desire to hide anything here. If you want, I would be happy the discuss with the mod team about unhiding your old post (and also my response to it). Just let me know, as this back and forth stuff just seems silly to me. ———————————————————————————————————————————— When this issue came up on living unbound, you Jeff state categorically you have not only seen her hidden post but actually responded to it, and apparently your response was hidden as well. Yet your first response here indicated that you had never seen her post before, and had specifically not had a chance to respond.

You know, in the interests of setting the record straight, many men have been made to feel equally as uncomfortable when Jeff has asked them to visualise him as a busty blonde, in fact I initially thought this was his target audience, probably because men were actually talking about it (privately) at first. All men? It doesn’t seem so. Only some, perhaps when he meets a likely prospect. I’ve never heard of Jeff having an extended internet/astral affair with a man though.

Thanks for contributing this possibility gendao. Agreed we all need to do our own shadow work, not project our shadow on those around us. Fully embracing the shadow core within ourselves is alchemy at its finest!

This is your defence? No need to engage in the actual material submitted, merely whether the poster wishes the material to be reposted? You always were quick to distance yourself from dirt, nothing has changed in that regard. You are deeply twisted, and you fight tooth and nail to not acknowledge this about yourself, all I can say is that a true sage would dare to look within, because that is what they train to do.

She wants nothing more to do with you, she wants to move on, the conversation now is between you and the daobum group, not her.

if you had it your way her post would continue to be silenced. This is your first defence. But straight back at you, no wall is high enough now to keep the truth from coming out.

Do I need permission to re-post what was previously posted publicly?

This is a post that was deleted at Jeff’s other site by admin who were also pro-Jeff. This particular woman doesn’t want to get involved in any further discussion about her relationship with Jeff, this was her last ditch effort, and when it was hidden she gave up and walked away. I am re-posting it now because it was in the public domain, and serves as a starting point in examining the negative possibilities of entering into a relationship with Jeff. “I'm ——. I was here a few years ago. I was having panic attacks during the end of my marriage. I asked Tom for help and ended up here. I'm sharing my experience so that others might be informed and avoid these types of interactions if that's not what they are looking for. I wasn't good with group dynamics, so I started personally emailing Jeff. He helped, but the panic attacks came back. Fast forward to a separate group chat where he suggested a display of a polarity or purification loop practice. I said yes. It didn't change my life or anything, but I was a level 5 instead of a level 4. I complained about him labeling me. I was supposed to be a male to his female form. I was to find a picture of a sexy actress and be a big strong man. I was told to say and type, "Jeff, I lock you in this body." I did it after much resistance. Then, he questioned me about the big strong male form ( why did I pick that form?...umm he told me to) and how I wanted to lock him in a female body. ( he told me to say that). At this time, he kept saying my male form was penetrating his female form, suggesting that we were having energetic sex. Did not feel it. I became uncomfortable. Told him he was using questions as statements. Argued. Talked to him on the regular. Really liked/loved him. Started again with just hugs. Got to the point of actual paranoia, which I had never experienced before. Stopped for a long time. Just dialogue about regular daily happenings. Liked and loved his human form even more. So went back to the polarity thing. I wish I never had. Text via Facebook from morning until night sometimes. I felt like he questioned me so much that I was completely confused. He would tell me what I felt, saw, my issues, my traits, what I should agree with, even got me to admit I planned this whole thing. I would agree with everything he said except for one thing. How I saw him in his female form. He would suggest things, I'd see him like that for awhile, even agree that's how I saw him, but It'd always go back to how I really saw him. That's to be continued. So, we had energetic sex, which was all my doing, according to him. He does nothing. It's all me. I disconnected one night. He says I did not. It was to relieve myself sexually. He says I did not, I pulled him into it which I never saw or did. Question after question about what I was doing last night. Did I have real sex? And on and on. I did not include him but ended up apologizing for doing it anyway. Next day, sex stuff between us(which was all my doing he would say). He told me to send him commands. Me male to his female. "Tell me to tighten my ***** around your cock." I guess it's an advanced Buddhist practice? I did it. Some I enjoyed. Some I did not. Eventually, I had answered so many of his questions with "I don't know" that he gave me 2 possible answers, whichever felt energetically stronger. By that, I told him what I believed he wanted to hear. His female form was a playmate. He had big breasts in that form. He even switched stuff around on me. I told him that I got a massive creep vibe when he told me to look up women he states he looks like. Yet after 2 days of this or that answer is the only possible one, I was doing it. Looking up playboy centerfolds as he suggested. He also told me I wanted to lock him in a female body. Got me to admit that I planned the whole interaction by his questioning. I eventually got some clarity. I told him I was suggestible, and he had suggested multiple things continually, he told me no. I can't admit to my issues. I need to take responsibility for all this. I told him, oh hell no. I know you have this issue of wanting to be seen as a playboy type. Nope, it was my issue according to him. So I went to talk to some people that have done this type of thing with him. Yep, they experienced the same thing. I called him on it. It's difficult for me to come here and share my experience, but I'm doing it for the benefit of others, particularly women.”

The previous admin and most of the moderators were actively part of your cult and protected you outrageously, suppressing any anti-Jeff rhetoric and hiding posts that had any hint of negativity towards you. What you see now as personal attacks is merely daobums exercising their right to scrutinise what you do, and react to it appropriately without being immediately silenced.