Bindi

My tentative answer is that the Self wishes to be realised at a conscious embodied level, but that requires that the Self has something to gain, and that it desires something.

I think your one in a billion figure is a tad optimistic Doesn't the Self strive to be Realised?

The thalamus has developed in layers directly associated with the evolutionary development of layers of the brain, further development of human consciousness along the lines of increased processing of psychic level material may be related to further evolutionary development of the thalamus.

Mind you, conspiracy theorists never dig too deep... The popes staff (papal ferula) is a rod with a knob on top surmounted by a cross. Looking at a number of them it can be seen that though the knob in the one pictured bears some small resemblance to a pinecone, throughout history the knob actually differs according to the artist who casts the ferula. See images here. As to the pine cone looking hat, it is a Papal tiara, a jewelled three-tiered crown used at papal coronations from 1305 through 1963. see images here.

This is a sensible position, but I have heard inner alchemy jargon being used in peoples dreams and visions when they have no knowledge of inner alchemy/neidan. So as unlikely as it might appear, I am drawn to the idea that these images bubble up from the subconscious as the best way to describe the subtle energy body undergoing a natural 'spiritualising' process. ok thanks.

I think transmutation would be more abut integrating the pain body and thought process as opposed to severing the link, which suggests spiritual bypassing to me.

Whether internal or external alchemy came first is a very interesting point for me. I would appreciate a reference to the literature that suggests inner alchemy is millenia old and was the original form, as it seems most likely to me that inner alchemy was in fact the original discovery, and external alchemy misunderstood this fact. Perhaps this just shows the confusion about the issue, I could read your post as confirming either perspective really.

I gathered long life just gave a better chance of finishing the great work, a mature immortal spirit, and isn't the aim in and of itself. But physical health and exceptional longevity should be a sign of going the right way.

This is a deliberate miswording of a dream that I posted at LU, and not something I will enter into. I definitely felt energy, but just because I could feel it it doesn't follow that it was a good thing for me. Yes I believe it would have damaged my subtle body, this is my opinion and something I am entitled to believe despite all the heavy handed attempts to dismiss and ridicule it. Another misrepresentation of a dream. This 'accusation' was specifically regarding my perception of Jeff's energy only: This is a reference to something dawei told me about entities, you can ask him directly what I am referring to, as it was said in confidence. If he doesn't know what I am referring to, I will clarify it via PM. Like who exactly? Time to name names I think, since it never happened. I checked LU member logs when I read that there was an 80% membership crossover. Names? Names? As you keep saying about anyone who doesn't take to Light work.

There's energy junkie and there's energy refining, different faces on different coins.

Yes I asked you to stop the constant energy loop that you do all the time, with everyone, because I don't find that energy useful or desirable - not because I am afraid of it, but because it is not appropriate in my subtle body. Quite simply it is not a refined energy I can use to fill my dantians, which is the only energy I am interested in.

I hope you're not implying that I just didn't want to let go of a deep subconscious fear by refusing to do more energy work with you. What am I doing that makes interaction with you affect me like 'living kundalini'?

Maybe just let your quotes speak for themselves Jonesboy. The incidents in this post (below) were not dreams, and your time frames are out. You are doing what the Light folk have always done when I make my experiences public.

ok Jonesboy, post the links.

WOW!

I considered my issues to have everything to do with you and Light practices, and was repeatedly told by you and the Light folk that my issues were all to do with my own fear, and nothing to do with Light energy. From my perspective, I had a vision of a hand trying to prise open a cap that should be carefully unscrewed over time at my base chakra. I didn't see it as a fear response, but as an exact description of what your energy was doing to my energy body, trying to prise an energy source open, using force, very unsubtle. I also had unwanted sexual attention from an unidentified astral body which had never happened before and has never happened since my brief energy work with you. All you did was deny it had anything to do with you.

You do recall that you suggested I join LU a couple of years ago don't you? And when I did I then told you that it seemed kind of weird, and at the time you agreed. I haven't used that account for a long time, anyone can say any sort of nonsense there as far as I'm concerned and good luck to them. I looked at LU's member list recently to see what 80% crossover membership looked like, and I saw some names that I recognised first from here. Anyway this is making it about me, my first post on this thread was voicing my opinion that Daobum members were being funnelled into LU. But now that it's come up, as far as me persisting with the issue, if I think something is negative, at what point do I reasonably stop voicing that opinion, if the issue itself persists - in this case daobum members being drawn into Light practices?

People are remarkably quiet when it comes to their negative attitude to Light practices after either brief exposure or longer ones, you'll just have to trust me that this negativity exists, and that people have come forward and shared their issues with me privately. There are two potentially negative issues I am thinking of, one is being opened up to entities in an uncontrolled way, ie. when you can't control when an entity visits anymore, and the second is having kundalini energy initiated - and there are all sorts of issues related to this. I just see Light practices as a very dangerous path to take, it's not personal angst at this stage. Okay, I won't refer to just newbies, more Daobum members in general being heavily exposed to Light practices through this site. But it is also true that just about every newbie with any issue is given the Jeff treatment. Levels of consciousness might be interesting, but Light folk consider themselves so extremely advanced in this regard, there's not really any common ground with us normal folk. In fact, spiritual super stardom and ego fulfillment seems to be one of the key achievements of Light work.

Jeff referred (in Daobums general chat) to 80% of the LU members also being members here, it seemed like a very high crossover membership, certainly far beyond coincidence, and suggests that Jeff is the one actually counting. Personally I notice both new and old Daobum members suddenly talking about Light practices here on the Daobums and I make what I consider to be a reasonable assumption that they are Daobum members who have become involved in Light practices, and the 80% figure set off alarm bells for me. How does this affect me? I was of course a newbie who got involved with Jeff when I first joined Daobums, and consider that week or so to have been a very dangerous time for me spiritually, so it pains me to see the newbies who come here being checked out by Jeff and invited to do Light practices. This is of course my own personal perspective on Light practices, I know there are others who have been exposed to Light stuff and feel similarly to me, as well as those who think it is the best thing that ever happened to them. In that sense anyone is free to make independent choices and leave Light practices whenever they like, but aren't there some potentially negative aspects of Light practice that can never be left behind once they are begun?

But this is nonetheless 3 people who have responded all who were on Daobums first. My time frames might be a bit out, but I did see a trend of Daobum names suddenly talking about Light practices. Maybe I should reword it as Daobums seems like a fertile place to bring in new Light members, regardless of where the practices are then done.

Okay, so maybe it's not all newbies. Certainly some older Daobum members are heading that way.

It does seem to me that members are funnelled from here to LU, whether that's intentional or not. New Daobum members, especially those asking for help with an issue, are very often 'checked out' here and then invited to experience energy directly at this forum, the next step is then LU because any move to set up open organised group energy work at Daobums has failed. How else can an 80% membership crossover between the two sites be explained?

I feel that just as there is a lower and higher mind and lower and higher senses, there is also a lower and higher ego. I believe the lower ego does need to be pulled apart and examined and 'dissolved', but after that process or even more perhaps during that process somewhere, ego is reassembled but this time deliberately and maturely, not as knee jerk reactions to the world around us from a very young age.

I thought Sean's approach was to allow all opinions, as long as they were on topic, but if you say only shallow opinion is allowed, then that's that. GoT it.

How is a reference to motion and rest not on topic exactly?