Bindi

There is certainly a belief that any detrimental belief can be changed here and now. In psychology it's most modern expression is cognitive behavioural therapy. Change the thoughts and the behaviours, and things will get better. And in the standard 6 month follow up of a short course of CBT the good effect is often still holding, so it is deemed successful and our government funds short course CBT treatment in the health care system. When the cure unravels months later, you could always try electro-convulsive shock treatment, or pills, or both, though success rates vary. Or you could try to find the answer in a religion or a cult, especially one that suggests that detrimental beliefs can be changed here and now. Sure, the people in need of therapy are the minority, but how they fare can be seen as the canary in the cage.

Fair point, dreams will work at rooting out all the mental and emotional connections to the basic fundamental blocks, they’re nothing if not thorough, they will work on one issue and the hundreds of related strands for literally years, cleared is thoroughly cleared. Also in dreamwork, there is no replacing with any learning or emotion or thought unless directed by dreams themselves.

But nor is it all doom and gloom. After actively following this dreamwork method for a couple of years a friend of mine dreamed of a very large pot full of hot water, hot enough to cook some chickens which he had put in there. He was stirring the pot with a long ladle, aware that the chickens would be nourishing food when they were cooked. To my mind this is a great image of the positive that seems to naturally fill the space created by removing the negative.

I think this place full of poop and vomit is where many people live. Some just ignore it, some get depressed, some try to climb out, and some prefer to imagine figures of light.

When I refer to hijackers, I am referring to the energies that block the chakras as being those energies that hijack my mind. My focus is on removing those blocks, leaving the positive energy fee to flow. So for example: 1st chakra - Deals with survival and is blocked by fear 2nd chakra - Deals with pleasure and is blocked by guilt/desire 3rd chakra - Deals with willpower and is blocked by shame 4th chakra - Deals with love and is blocked by grief/depression I didn’t set out to deal with any of these things in particular, but was guided by dreams to look in the direction of the negative blocks, starting with fear. I only realised very much later that I was working through the chakras one by one from the base up. In taking my cue from my dreams, what I choose to focus on is always what my dreams choose to focus on, and I do see progress, as the focus (and the relevant chakra) changes over time though it always remains on the side of the blocks. So I could characterise my approach as a dreamwork method that has it's own rules for operating, rules which I fully accept.

3bob, what is the B.S. about missing the mark and no sin? The rising soul is the Self?

Going with your hammer analogy, yes I think the hammer really is broken, I don't accept that it is just my imagination nor that accepting it's brokenness will alleviate the problem, and yes I am trying to fix it by looking directly at what is damaged.

I personally couldn't convince myself that everything is already ok and just needs to be made conscious or brought to consciousness, because I fundamentally believe that some parts are actually damaged, not just incorrectly believed to be damaged or imperfect.

The rats that hatch their mutinous plans below the poop deck...

I personally feel that to truly let go of something it needs to be brought into consciousness, and worked on, and resolved first, then it can naturally fall away.

Maybe Jung was just being poetic in contrasting darkness to light, I think your version is equally correct but not as catchy

To me it's not about dwelling on the negative things, but noticing the negative emotions/states that hijack me, and making them conscious, which allows them to be removed. Things like fear, shame, anger, ego etc, I am strongly of the opinion that these hijackers cannot be removed by 'imagining figures of light', but have to be addressed directly. The alternative, imagining figures of light, will only bury the hijackers deeper, more hidden from the world and self perhaps (for a while), but ultimately more in control.

“One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” - C.G. Jung

I would say Dao represents itself within as the golden fetus.

I think yes as well, the natural path will correspond with Dao. Is neidan the expression of Dao?

Can you still be following Dao if you're not following Daoism?

Daeluin, can you elaborate a little on the fire phase and the water phase? I come at it from a different method, but I have found that concentrating only on water, the fire seems to naturally arise at the appropriate times, there appears to be no need to concentrate on fire at all.

dou itashimashite wan wan

No need to extreme grovel on my behalf Nungali san, but out of compassion for you I order you into the dog house for a week, to sleep on pine needles and bark occasionally to signal that you are still alive.

And good is real bad, A broken mirror on the wall, “who is the proudest of them all?”

I consider ego to be educable, as long as ego accepts that ultimately it must focus on Self and not on mind or its own gain. This would still be perceived as death of the ego by the ego.

The power of the Spirit as the extra element needed to bring ego and mind into right relation with Self, but then can mind and ego not work to be brought into right relation with Spirit initially?

I do admire anyone that shows that much determination though. My subconscious must have been impressed with their determination as well, because I was telling a couple of friends about it in a dream.

My attempt to understand the concept of unconditional love - To the extent that my mind and ego treat my Self with contempt is synonymous with the extent to which my mind and ego treat others with contempt, and vice versa. The extent to which my mind and ego are able to accept the role and authority of my Self is the extent to which my mind and ego can accept the value of others Selves unconditionally.

So are you thinking that kundalini should not be woken or raised? That it happens naturally and appropriately around the time of death? In these terms could this be the point of the whole exercise, working towards being connected with THS so that when kundalini does rise fully and burn the physical etheric double, THS fills that space and creates a new 'spiritual' etheric double?