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I must disagree... Claiming that " hatha yoga is Scandinavian gymnastics, which came to India in 20 years and was overgrown with Indian terms. " is like claiming that Bruce Lee invented GongFu. Firstly, the article is based on a single book of Scandinavian gymastic poses: " In the hall full of silent scholars, I opened it and leafed through picture after picture of men and women in familiar postures. Here was Warrior Pose; there was Downward Dog. On this page the standing balance Utthita Padangusthasana; on the next pages Headstand, Handstand, Supta Virasana, and more—everything you might expect to find in a manual of yoga asana. But this was no yoga book. It was a text describing an early 20th-century Danish system of dynamic exercise called Primitive Gymnastics. Standing in front of my yoga students that evening, I reflected on my discovery. What did it mean that many of the poses I was teaching were identical to those developed by a Scandinavian gymnastics teacher less than a century ago? " We see similarities because nothing is really new. In my rather extensive studies I have found that the Japanese Bear Cult is nearly identical to the Finnish Sami Bear Cult. I found the Sami Bear rituals almost identical to the American Ute Bear rituals. I found Tibetan Buddhist scrivening virtually identical to Scandinavian Shaman "reading the bones" . The Japanese Ainu have almost identical rituals to the Pacific Northwest Tribes. OMG Does this mean they originated somewhere else? Aha let us consult "Chariots of the GOds" for answers! NO not really. This means that there are certain basics that enlightened experts come upon independantly. We all walk about the same way. Many of us bend the same way. Advamced practictioners have independantly learned how to do the same things. Balancing is one Arm locks, wrist bars, leg sweeps, etc, are all practiced by wrestlers all over the world, and they all came up with them themselves. snip---------------- The earliest references to hatha yoga are in Buddhist works dating from the eighth century.[192] The earliest definition of hatha yoga is found in the 11th century Buddhist text Vimalaprabha, which defines it in relation to the center channel, bindu etc.[193] Hatha yoga synthesizes elements of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras with posture and breathing exercises.[194] It marks the development of asanas (plural) into the full body 'postures' now in popular usage[179] and, along with its many modern variations, is the style that many people associate with the word yoga today.[195] endsnip---------------- I submit that this predates Scandanivian gymansts by quite a few years. And neither Eric Von Deniken nor some "omg lookj what i just doscovered" guy can change actual facts. Occams razor is the best tool here. Now, if we want to discuss "modern western yoga" well, yah, it has evolved so far it is not really like the eigth century hatha yoga. But what is? That still doesn't mean that hatha yoga was invented in Nordic land. https://www.yogabasics.com/learn/history-of-yoga/ facts, not conspiracy shunka

Sifu Terry is currently busy with other obligations, it is my understanding he will return here to answer questions as soon as he can. please be patient. walk in beauty shunka

I would even be interested in a discussion of the "Apostolic Fathers" and their writings, or the Gnostics, or the Essenes, or the Ecumenical Councils and what was done and why, or "which books were included in the Bible" and why some (especially from the Apostolic Fathers) were left out, or a compare-and-contrast of ..... but nevermind, I see the fellow has left. Dang and I never even got to mention the story about the very brief conversation with the Guy On The Corner who was trying to tell us "God Told Me that you must..." Ervin - Bless you too. walk in beauty shunka

I new of the crisis in Moscow, but I had completely forgotten " Tanks of the Taman Division shelling the Russian White House on 4 October 1993 " thanks learn from history, or be doomed to repeat it. shunka

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My Dear Ervin - Whilst I have in fact whiled away the odd half hour engaging various individuals with a freindly scholarly Biblical discussion, it is not something I do regularly. With all respect, and no animosity, the above sounds awfully like what I hear from the door-to-door prosletyzers. When one says His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour That pretty much says it all and stops all further intellectual discussion. If on the other hand, one were to ask if any were interested in, say, "a discussion regarding Yeshua of Nazareth and (fill in the blank) " you would likely find more interested respondants. I myself, for example am always interested in serious discussions if they involve (for example) the various translations from the original Aramaic or (secondary) Greek and (for example) how well-learned scholars differ on the "exact" or even "best-guess" meaning of the passage, especially when put in context of the complete entry, and regarding the "common use of the language of the era". However, if an Original Poster is interested only in one of the many modern translations as the "cast-in-stone" direct word of יְהֹוָה then I am not particulalry interested. with all respect shunka

Lrn2 and Mig went to "the source" , which I always find to be a good idea. This quote sounds more like something Uncle Iroh would say from "The Last Airbender", so, being a curious sort, I thought, lets work backwards, "where did this 'new age' type quote originate?" if one googles it, one finds tens of thousands of places using it, but it originates from only one book - one of those fluffly "inspiring quotes from all over" books with vague attributions and no good "cites" . It turns out it was a compilation "edited" by Kim Lim, a newl graduate of the University of Virginia from Singapore who came to the U.S. to study and stayed working at "Skyhorse Publishing" as an editor. I could not find any other authorship, translations, or scholarly works attributed to her, only as "editor". But , hey, that's more than I have done ! So, from a scholarly perspective, I would be inclined to discard that quote and line of thinking. what I found: ======================= Do not struggle. Go with the flow of things, and you will find yourself at one with the mysterious unity of the Universe. — Chuang Tzu Quoted in Kim Lim (ed.), 1,001 Pearls of Spiritual Wisdom: Words to Enrich, Inspire, and Guide Your Life (2014), 184 ======================= from amazon: Editorial Reviews About the Author Kim Lim is a recent graduate of the University of Virginia, where she wrote her final year thesis on the translations and eros of Vladimir Nabokov. Her concerns are laughter and food, and she edits poetry at OF ZOOS, an online literary and art magazine. She is from Singapore. ======================= possibly this person: https://reedsy.com/lim-kimberley https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Kim-Lim/2417889224 ======================== in 2018 from here http://www.marcusyilaw.com/o1-immigration-visa-lawyer-nyc-blog/client-interview-series-kimberley-lim I’ve been working in the publishing industry for four years, editing and acquiring books for Skyhorse Publishing, an independent publisher in New York City. I’m originally from Singapore. I studied English at the University of Virginia. ======================== I can only find one other book by a "Kim Lim", and it is clearly a different person: https://www.amazon.com/Inoculate-Your-Biotech-Product-Market/dp/1537703668 ======================= hope this helps, walk in beauty shunka

I I really prefer TaoMeows' Armored Cat & Samurai Her you go, TaoMeow:

why not make it a powered exoskeleton suit ? Go to Japan and you would have the fanboys all over you from https://soranews24.com/2017/09/25/tokyos-new-giant-gundam-anime-robot-statue-is-complete-and-its-awesome【photos】

Here is another insight into the modern Japanese philosophy of eating whether 'tis meat or vegatables. My Lovely Spousal Unit (She who Must Be Obeyed) has just reminded me of the lovely Japanese tradition of saying "thanks for the food". It seems uniquitous whether Buddhist, Shinto , or "whatever". The phrase "Itadakimasu" is uttereed at the beginning of meals. every.single.meal. It is commonly translated as in phrasebooks as "thanks for the meal" , but it is far more than that. The literal translation is either " "I humbly receive" or " I will humbly accept it” (depending upon your source) However, the translation does not reveal the deeper meaning. This phrase is meant to honor everyone and everything involved with making the meal. Not only The farmers, fishermen, and whoever prepared your meal, it also gives thanks to the animals and plants which sacrificed themselves to become the meal itself. And SWMBO further expounded - the rice or other grain sacrificed it's babies (the seeds!) for us to eat. walk in beauty shunka

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excellent point! For example, I do not have to be a "spousal abuser" in order to recognise "spousal abuse" behaviour in another person. All I have to be is "sufficiently educated in the topic" and "observant". walk in beauty shunka

I just recieved Chigung for Health and TaiChi for health, will be working with them and try to report back. asavakkhaya - Hopefully Sifu Terry will come by soon. I cannot answer for him, but I find that in other styles, it is sometimes important to separate the fingers and at other times cup them together. So I find that wearing a stocking hat helps keep my hands & feet warm. But if that doesn't work I got some inexpensive fleece mittens and even tho I cannot see my fingers, I can splay them or whatever is needed for the form. walk in beauty shunka

My Good Nungali - would you be so kind as to throw us poor northern hemispherians a hint as to at least the genus of those cute tiny things? I daresay if I were to venture a guess it would turn out that they were Australian WompRats? walk in beauty shunka

very good advice Vajra ! shunka

BUT if they are anywhere near something "not benevolent" (or worse daemonic) they find themselves in a new terrifying world of hurt for themselves and others. and remarkably, that can tie right into this thread: thus: be careful what you consume; be careful what you open yourself to. you might just become an aging immortal's next convenient "vessel" it's not all shiny rainbows and happy unicorns out there. walk in beauty shunka

Actually, no, you are sort of interrrupting a thread about yoga... might be better in the future to open a new thread but it's ok, you're new, you'll get the hang of it. calling booze "wisdom water" is a sort of tongue-in-cheek joke -- read here for a good explanation http://www.theiiis.org/wisdom-water-anyone/ walk in beauty shunka

cold water can be powerfully cleansing. Japanese Shinto do Misogi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogi Tibetan Buddhists do g Tum-mo https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2002/04/meditation-changes-temperatures/ exposing oneself to too much cold, without proper training is not wise and likely to make one sick. I hope this helps shunka

Ah my dear people.... see what you've done, you have scared him off and now we will never know.... and I was looking forward learning about that taoist school founded by Zhang Daoling in 142 CE that TaoMeow mentioned. umm Cleansox? "Hitta boken iett blibliotek Alla foersaeljare" ??? was bedeutet das? or is it ancient Nordic? Wait! are you actually a secret Finnish Scholar hiding out here? Please Teach me the secrets of the Sami Noaidi Oh Great Sox! walk in beauty shunka

BABY YODA! I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR YOU! shunka

My Good Harmonious - Thanks for posting - I appreciate to effort to find the article and it is gratifying to see that there is at least one attempt at a study . In the question of meat vs vegan in the context of Buddhism and Daoism- - I always consider the source, note that I offered opinions from advanced practitioners, then the actual scripture, then the opinion of the head of Tibetan Buddhism. These folks can well be considered "top experts" the the field of Buddhist spiritual opinion. I linked to one source of the actual Buddhist scripture (the original instructions, if you will) with the caveat that it is at least one layer of modern translation, since few of us can read the original language, and I look at opinions of "top experts" of the interpretation , based on modern realities - With the exception of the scripture, the others are a philosophical discussion, which basically seems to be saying "Do not think yourself so holy if you are not eating meat" and "Eating meat may not be the venal sin you are claiming" When looking at the Vegan Mythbusters article you cite, it is an interesting study, but it looks to me as tho the Vegan Mythbuster article put a deliberately skew on the article to fit their world view. They miss the point by cherry picking the argument to fit their ideal - in other words they are claiming that since it is not the machinery that is causing the deaths , then the argument is not valid I found here https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/000632079390060E and the abstract describes the study (note, emphasis is mine): snip----------------------------------- Abstract The effects of cereal harvesting on the ecology of wood mice Apodemus sylvaticus were investigated at three arable study sites in Oxfordshire from 1987 to 1991 using both radio-tracking and live-trapping methodologies. The process of harvesting itself had little direct effect on the mice, but the removal of the cover afforded by the crop greatly increased predation pressure on the mice. After harvest, mice either emigrated from the arable ecosystem or reduced activity. Nevertheless, over half (17 of 32) of the mice radio-collared before harvest were taken by predators in the first week following harvest. Together with emigration, this produced an 80% decrease in the population. Post-harvest activities such as stubble burning subsequently further increased mortality. The dramatic increase in prey availability may benefit predators of small mammals in the cereal ecosystem such as tawny owls Strix aluco and weasels Mustela nivalis. andsnip------------------------------------ By conveniently leaving out the above highlited bits, Vegan Mythbusters avoided the fact that planting and harvesting methods indirectly caused the death of more mice by increasing predation. So the mouse deaths are still due to the consequences of the planting and harvesting . They did not address the deaths of insects at all, nor do they even mention the deaths by chemical spraying of various kinds. ------- There is also the misconception that "all cattle are fed grains so that destroys the arguement" I have lived in "corn country", "wheat country", "ranch country" and "dairy country " all my life. There is a HUGE difference between corporate run facilities and "the little guy" While it is has become common to "finish off" beef cattle on corn for several weeks it has not always been the case nor is it any longer the absolute norm. "Finishing off" on corn in a "feed lot" puts weight and fat on quickly. more weight means more cash at slaughter. But the feed lots are also a source of much abuse, pain, suffering, and pollution of the land . So the feed lots are part of the "evil corporate money chain" of the meat industry. "Grass fed only" is a different story. The steers never hit the feed lots, they ones I see are pretty damn happy cattle that go from their grassland to the the truck for a nice ride, to the slaughterhouse, and the main trauma is in the truck ride and the actual slaughter itself (death is nearly always traumatic). When done properly the an individual steer is taken from the lineup into a closed off slaughter booth, and shot in the forehead with a pnuematic "bolt gun". Death is as instantaneous as one can get. The hind legs are chained to a conveyor crane, the dead steer (yes it is dead, a one inch bolt driven 3 inches thru the forehead skull ensures that) is carried off, the next unknowing steer is brought in. The methods trumps shooting or slitting the throat to my mind. But is IS the deliberate killing of a sentient being. When done improperly slaughterhouses are a horror show. I completetly agree that "corporate factory cattle farms" are .. incredibly inhumane and evil in their treatment of cattle. Poorly run feedlots and slaughterhouses are another Horror Show. I agree that one must take great pains to ensure that the meat one buys is "as advertised" because corporate marketing uses lies and fabrication and weasel words as an integral part of its core business. I disagree that "grass-fed" & etc is a myth - I feel it is incumbent upon the consumer to do even the least bit of "research" and ensure exactly where their food is coming from. I myself have been buying locally grown pork which is "free range" and buy beef and buffalo from a local meat market that has their own ranch which I have verified myself that the cattle are actually "free range", "Predator Freindly" , and "grass fed" , and that they ARE NOT "finished off" on corn. And their slaughter facility is as human as possible, and is in fact both kosher and halal. I personally try to do "the best I can" in this existance and strive for "balance" and I try to take responsibility for the lives lost for the food I eat. walk in beauty shunka ,

GOOD for you on the ego! I am still wrestling with it suspicions: it sounds and "feels" suspiciously like something I had to deal with in the past. stay calm stay safe above all else, do no harm shunka