blue eyed snake

thank you, that's an interesting take on it. It's something that has puzzled me for a while, from what I understand Kundalini goes up the spine and out the top of the head. And often it is referred to as a hot energy, but the " heat' being caused by " friction" is a nice concept. The daoist take though is that the energy goes up the Du mai then down again, that it forms a circuit with the Ren mai. and thus I am wondering whether the same "tube" in the spine is used for those 2 rising energies.

oh, by the time the MCO started to flow I was totally aware of the emotional effects and glad about it. better out then in but the flowing water experience caught me by surprise as at that time I had no idea such things could happen.

it's funny really, when that guy told me about his youthful aspirations to become enlightened we both had a good laugh because of that. Although he put in a lot of serious work and time, his idea of becoming enlightened at 20-something as a result of that course in Kriya yoga was of an endearing naivety. You reduce kundalini to a physiological reaction which, imho, is likewise a sign of naivety.

oh no, it's all good, glad I am rid of that shit

did you notice, oh man 't was horrible

from the little I have learned erm... energy should flow through 'meridians' /tubes. But it does not very well, there are places were the plumbing just got clogged up. Several practices that we inherited from older times tend to unclog the pipes. yoga/chigung/ some tibetan practices that i do not know anything about, probably much more cultures having their ways to unclog the tubes. Interestingly part of those blockages are emotional in nature, when you start 'practicing' you'll find all kind of emotional shit comes up. Then you can let go of that shit,(or keep it so you clog up the tubes again.) when the system gets more unclogged the chi/energy/whatevers flows better and i have conjectured that it is a self serving system once you've got a good starters. The MCO ( which in my tradition is called the smaller heavenly cycle, if i remember it well, memory is quite fuzzy lately) is the ren and du meridians combined to a circuit. I have never "done" the mco, i was not taught that way, I have been doing standing meditation and some movements, quite boring really. Then all of a sudden "water" started to spout up my back and down my front, it felt as if a dry riverbed was suddenly filled with water. It was literally roaring through my system. Quite a shocking experience. I guess that circuit is still circuiting and in its wake other pipes can become unclogged as long as there is movement.The more unclogging, the more emotional shit gets cleared out of our system. The more emotional shit is gone the better you can see without preconceived notions. I guess that's about it. cannot tell you what comes after that The way I was taught there was no visualizing anything, no " doing" of the MCO, in fact I had not heard that term or concept when it started spouting 'water' up my spine. whether to visualize or not is another hot contented bone here on the daobums

an apt description

I wonder, he describes how "water" goes up the spine and then turns a corner and fills up a flat disc shaped cushion at the height of the nipples, and then he wonders whether that was a kundalinilike occurrence. I remember well how I experienced the opening of the MCO as cool water, rushing through the channels as water filling up a dry riverbed. I've always thought that kundalini energy is hot energy, not cool and water like. anybody more information on this?

firstly Tummo and Kundalini are 2 very different "things" you could have looked that up. I think, nobody has asked you to enter a course of Kriya yoga, if you do not want it thats fine with me. But not a reason to give out judgement about what you have no knowledge of. Concerning neuroscience, ever enjoyed an optical phenomenon caused by refraction, internal refelction and dispersion of light in waterdroplets resulting in a continuous spectrum of light appearing in the sky.

me thinks we're not all that free to choose what we believe. reading your story of how you have fought to not believe the obvious that was put before you, again and again.

hm, not sure I am the best person to ask that but will give a try, I've known a guy who has done Kriya yoga for quite a long time with a very qualified teacher, to no avail, he was quite irked as he had invested a lot of time and money. But no kundalini for him. Kundalini is the outcome of esteemed yogapractice and is (or is told to be) liberation from earthly shackles or something like that. merriamwebster says it better: Kundalinī is the feminine form of the Sanskrit adjective meaning "circular" or "coiled." In yoga, the word applies to the life force that lies like a coiled serpent at the base of the spine and that can be sent along the spine to the head through prescribed postures and exercises. On the way, the kundalini passes through six chakras, or points of physical or spiritual energy in the human body. At the seventh chakra, the yogi is said to experience enlightenment. As far as I understand it: the idea is that energy, kundalini-energy goes up the spine, when that goes smoothly it reaches the top of the skull and then you're experience enlightenment. But with a lot of people that energy get stuck somewhere and then you get ill and/or psychotic like. not something to play with without a teacher who knows what they do. But a legit goal with a legit training. There are some bums who know far more of it then I but this is the simple shorthand. sometimes I see that the small heavenly orbit ( or MCO as it's often called) and kundalini are seen as sort of the same. Not so sure of that, at least for me the MCO opened up like a rush of cool water were kundalini energy is commonly described as hot/electrical/fiery/burning energy. so yes, it can be dangerous, but it's not intrinsically wrong or bad. and many people covet it as they want to be enlightened. I guess that desire was exactly what prevented it from happening with the yearning participant of kriya yoga. When it happens due to playing around with energy without knowing what you're doing and without help from someone who does know what tot do, I guess its a scary thing to happen leastways we sometimes have people seeking help here when things have gone awry and some of those stories are nasty.

Not so sure neuroscience has proven that, but apart from neuroscience, most people believe that consciousness is a function of the brain because it's the paradigm we grow up in. Regarding evidence, you could maybe read some books about near death experiences, and/or about kids with memories of former lives that turned out to be amazingly to the point. Just to wiggle the paradigm a bit so to say, its interesting stuff.

May I turn that question around? What causes you to believe that consciousness is a function of the mind? Or to phrase it a bit different, why do you think the soul/consciousness is a function of the mind as opposed to a independent entity?

hey, where did you get that pic of me as a youngster doing my homework?

hmm, there are quite a lot of people who would regard that as a succes of their training

Yes, a daoist teacher. 't was like a sort of direct transmission of information, not an interview, he hardly ever talked about this sort of stuff.

I had some direct pointing from teacher. But no idea whether that is a core method or whether it is used often. I am deeply grateful for these pointings as they were important to me. Further I was told that in the past the " deeper teachings" were only transmitted when a student was ready and worthy. Meaning when a teacher did not have a worthy student the knowledge would disappear when the teacher left the earthly sphere. but also, from the outside, looking like secrecy

potable water, food, cords of wood , 4 walls and a roof to make a fire in. sorry, that's four things. chop wood, carry water

thanks for posting, nice interview. I do miss @Spotless here

that's interesting, never given it much thought to be honest. oh and this is a fun read, i read about this as a kid, this actually was the first time i read something that was totally different from the accepted point of view https://www.indiadivine.org/jesus-christ-was-the-savior-buried-in-kashmir-india/

oh yes, it was a secular movement, but somehow those christian lands were the right soil to let those seeds sprout.

thank you Nungali, that's a sound philosophy and every kid you gave a sporting chance on life that way is a badge of honor. deeply grateful

these advances did however originate in "Christian lands" not so much in chinese, hindu or moslim territory (my wording may not be the best, I have problems with language)

I think he brought the concept of forgiveness in the world, i don't know about "the most amazing teacher ever" but forgiveness is quite a thing. To me that sets him apart.

Lilith, John Collier, 1877