blue eyed snake

to me, ignorance is bliss, at the moment, means when you're unaware of the true self, you're also unaware of the needlesness of suffering. All the anger and jealousy, agression, war, hatred to others, to people who are deemed to be different, the fear and anxiety..... all the pain (wo)men inflict on each other. there's no need for that. that knowledge hurts me at the moment ( which me?....) being ignorant of that knowledge is bliss. But once you have that knowledge, there's no going back. BES

hunks

babies

so you come to the Daobums with the idea to find here new people to do Mopai. but you won't tell what the very basic training is, like the what and how of sitting. you don't tell what the shortterm effects of your practice will be. and then The goal of this mysterious practice cannot be talked about either. But you say that most people that call themselves spiritual find the purpose of Mopai repugnant and inherently anti spiritual... at the same time you seem to have contempt for people following other and often very different paths, People who come together here, in this space created by Sean to share what we find walking our paths. In the few years I've been reading here I can see that there are some very wise and developed persons on this site. Some of them following old traditions under very esteemed teachers. Persons you seem to think less worthy then you yourself. and then you are surprised that people make fun of you. You may be seeing just that what you radiate. edit: added picture

sweet suckers

could you please tell us then what the ultimate purpose of the system is then?

Of the modern world, but not in it anymore floating inbetween.

Bumblebee

hm, an acquaintance of mine started to do zenmeditation, group was led by a teacher and there was a sort of promise that people who would become unnerved by what was happening could have a talk with the teacher. Well, she did become ' innerved, she got anxietyattacks. the real ones with much sweating, heartrate much too high and hyperventilationlike breathing. Not only during/after sitting but the clock round. So she went to this guy who just told her to sit daily , ignore those attacks ( sic) and it was part of what was to be expected. shortly after she got on antidepressiva and decided meditation was not her thing.... I think, she would have done better to begin small, with just a few minutes a day. But that of course is just my opinion.

hm, not everything I think should be posted

thanks for the background, i did dig, but not that deep. it's not my brand of reasonable, but to each his own edit: the very best wishes too, that seems to be obligatory on this thread,

i may be mistaken, but it looks like you're getting your button pushed

ah, but it's educative to observe mirror processes

Thank you starjumper, going into meditation I generally break out in a smile after some minutes, feels as if it comes out of my heart. But this eye-thingy is nice. I've been playing with that today and it has an interesting effect. Isn't that point near the eye a point on the livermeridian?

thanks, that, of course, is right. Nobody should be forced to do that. But those people with psychological instabilities who have a real yearning to try should not be discouraged but helped. I'm very grateful I treaded that road, but it was bumpy, to put it softly. I did start with 5 minutes a day and have let that lowly grow by itself. But even now i would not go to such a retreat, my bodymind tells me how much I can handle and that is not yet in the magnitude of such a retreat, love BES

I ask

bump rereading this thread hmm, i would not be surprised when people who have a tendency towards mental illness or instability are like that because of much repressed baggage.

nice, the reason i came into this forum is likewise. People from (sometimes wildly) different backgrounds writing about their experiences. It made clear to me that the things my teacher is able to do are not so strange as I thought when I started out, which was very nice. Now it's worth ( apart from socializing with like-minded people) is that things I have experienced are written about by other people who experienced same things. In the same vein giving me a look into what may (or may not) follow.

well...thats a bit too black and white for my taste. mental health professionals are not the answer even though they can be helpful and some of them are very good. I would say that meditating is allright for people who are err...psychologically unstable...but very carefully, to start with 5 minutes daily. and maybe not even every day. With someone ( that mentioned professional) that they can talk to and be taken serious. But this is again a very sad story, to me it's unresponsible from the persons who were leading this retreat, someone like that should never have been admitted. It's very sad really.

worthy of repeating

sweet scents

Nice kitty, I'm from Europe, amazon does not seem handy to me. But I'll look around for secondhand in my own country, when I'm meant to have this book it'll pop up somewhere in the next weeks, thank you

Hi Qicat, you did allright with your post, no worries there. I do not want to go into the hows and whys of my diet but rest assured that I know what is bad for me. now i am interested in the take of TCM on food. But if their advise for people with yin deficiency should lean heavily on food that my body rejects then it is not going to be helpful for me. I do not have much money, being unable to work , so I do not want to buy a book that won't have practical input on the way I eat. No gluten, dairy, soy and sugar is the norm here, I get real foggy and sick and end up in bed when I should eat that. Oats my belly simply rejects, quite literally

hey Qicat, about the recipes in this book. do they make much use of the mentioned soy and oats? this because i have a very restricted diet and these foods are definitely off the list of foods that I can eat. But it does look interesting to me