blue eyed snake

about the eating of grain i think. When you eat grain ( or grainmade stuff like bread/pasta, but also potatoes) you get filled up quicly. Leaving no space for veggies, nuts and fruit. Now that i've changed the way i feed myself i've become pretty conscious of what i put in my body, when i eat too much grainlike stuff the consequence is that i do not eat enough veggies. And thereby missing needed vitamins and minerals ( and veggie energy ) The combination of the diminished content of vitamins/minerals in vegetable food in general combined with the diminished uptake of these because of growing older. That makes the use of supplements needed...i plan to change my food to more veggies and less grains again... On the other hand, i did eat less grain then i do now, but i became too thin, so i've to see how it works out. also, i think, the eating of grain as a substantial part of the human diet must have been together with the ending of the hunting-gathering folks...and i suspect that the villagers, needed less sensitivity than the nomadic tribes. maybe there is a correlation with the eating of grain too...?

I've been thinking along those lines myself, for about the same reasons. But i am far too inexperienced to further discuss it, maybe in ten years i can come up with something more substantial. thanks for posting.

seems to me we are talking about different people here

just being stupid

further puzzling is healthy, nothing seems to be fixed, ever... that goes far over my head, i just wanna play with nice pictures well, that was indeed my first association, but the theme of hubris resonated with me too. i noticed... well, i do like them as i wrote earlier, i wanna stop analyzing. if i did i would soon become entangled in all those topheavy debates, form my own opinions and loose my path while analyzing...i have to unlearn that habit. ah, but in that case it is humanmade. i mean, the way the chemical elements are is natural, but the way humans pushed them into a strange blockish form....maybe the element should fit better in a spirallike form like a sunflower. The form we pushed them in doesn't fit. o yes, now that you write this , it dawns on me seeking balance, without any doubt. well, i wait and see what will unfold in my life, there are mighty stirrings, that's for sure. like this one Yeah, reading your posts, maybe you tend to be pedantic but having googled orphic egg, my intuition was not that far off

yep, reading your story that seems the best way to approach it, will you go to the police later on? I think your way of dealing with it, safe places, going with friends is indeed the best you can do now. I do not know bagua for myself but hear good things about it here. Shaking practice may be good for you right now, to literally shake out the emotions that rattled you Experiences like this are bad, don't try to be eh... ( my english runs out) I mean, don't push the emotions down, when you need to cry or scream or talk, do so.

yep, though somewhat older, hair greying and at the moment still tired...but it's getting better. Nice image, I like that! in my language blindworms are called hazelworms/hazelsnakes, and they are indeed beautiful , i didn'know they are that longlived. Thanks for that, after a lifetime of analyzing i try to be somewhat more intuitive. Now that i've looked in this way at these cards i see that it's like eh...seeing things ( animals/ play of light, water etc.) in nature and feel the symbolic meaning resonate into your core. Yesterday i saw a blackbird with a pure white spot on the head, that does something to me too.

yes, we are told that, but also many people try to get something back for their trying to love unconditionally, precisely because they don't get that love when they are so small that they need it to grow up healthy you seem to have a big heart yep, and in modern society these structures are all but gone. A condition like postpartum depression is occurring more often in the 'higher'realms of society than in the lower socio economical strata, i think that is because there is more of that 'village quality' there, more support from family and neighbors, and less tendency for perfectionism. For me the recognition was more at the 'mundane' level, that of a mother having given more than she had. Still, after reading the link that noonespecial gave me : http://www.levity.com/alchemy/alcbirds.html i do recognize it on that other level too. yes, that is a nice concise formulation of what's happening to me, you know that it is strange to fall into a more spiritual outlook after a lifetime of consciously disregarding/ holding in contempt the whole idea. so my mundane motherhood was preparation for whatever is following now pfff found it but for now i need the whole supply to restore and rebuild myself, so still playing the hermit. to be continued get it, being a European at heart i like this

I seem to remember a story that someone of the theosophic society ( leadbeater??) 'saw' the structure of molecules..or atoms...before this structure was scientifically made clear

I send you my love, and am very thankful you escaped those guys, into a hall full of buddhastatues.... you won't forget that one in a jiffy. Bes

I've thought this before, our teachers have some similarities

nice! talking about male energy... but in a way i like this one even better, looked only the first part, those young guys doing this, seems healthy to me

wow, thank you for posting this!!! very nice read, indeed, this is making things more clear.

sigh..... very deep sigh.....

that's nice, i found that i was getting my feathers up reading your first comment about equality. still <<Equality of man and woman is a pathway to disaster. We need the differences to maintain the attraction and bring togetherness. Family should stay together and enjoy the strengths of man and woman together, not 2 equals. When everyone is equal there is no need for each other. >> that is what you wrote...so be careful how you formulate your thoughts... we do need equality, that is indeed something else as saying that were the same/ not different. also, not only enjoy the strengths of both female and male, but also being caring of the weaknesses both genders have

started two years ago with medical qigong, being very ill. CFS, liver-dysfunction and severe digestional problems. regular medicine didn't know how to help me, friend did send me to a chinese healer/qigongteacher. I was very sceptic Very slowly i'm gaining back my health. I can feel the body better, several joints have become more flexible ( think here not only general but also frozen shoulder and whiplash neck. both still stiff but better than the last 20 years or so)I know that several organs are functioning better, emotionally i'm balanced better, nails and hair grow better. Sensitivities of my childhood are coming back, thats very nice. Feels like coming home last week i had a painful dental treatment, so i took ibuprofen. I never took this painkiller often, only for this kind of treatment and I always became very dizzy taking this. ( like i was drunk, real bad...) Now I find it's not making me dizzy, i find i relate that to the development of the last two years.

eh, the way I see it is that 'matter' is the coarsest form of 'spirit' ( and 'spirit' the most refined form of 'matter') thereby making one of what seems to be two different 'things' Thinking further along that line, maybe nothingness becomes 'spirit only' ( meaning there is no matter to be perceived, only spirit) But it is indeed best not to think too much about it ...

thank you for this simple but so easily 'forgotten' truth

<<Amazingly, this brings up the 8/11 or Adjustment/Lust question the third time in a row now! You tell me, please: Was your last year one of seeking your balance and center, or characterized more by immersing yourself in joyful experiences?>> definitely the adjustment card, no doubt at all. At my 50th birthday my world turned upsidedown and insideout ..so balance seeking was badly needed. as an interesting aside, i can tell you that the year i divorced , or better, decided to divorce was the year where by this counting i had the empress as yearcard so you just count them on. eh, what happens to the fool in the counting?

I almost never read books on spiritual things, it's never been my path. And now that it is I've strong feelings not to read too much. This forum is all in all pretty much more than i can digest so, can't advise you a book But i would advise you to care for plants and listen to them. That's the first step to communication. Can be plants inside or outside the house, or a tree, just connect lovingly. Maybe take up gardening. And wait, it takes patience, trees for example are great beings, but they have all the time of the world,

The thoth cards have a very different quality than the rider-waite deck which is pretty 'romantic in comparison Thoth is more 'raw' and seems to me filled up with symbolism more, gotta get used to it persona and soul... persona i will regard as the : what i am ( or should be) in this life on the mundane level. The 'what of me' that radiates out, visible for other people. soul..what is soul? it feels as the inside, the 'what i have to learn' in this life http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/tarot_images/universe.jpg I have been looking at this card a long time, it is indeed true that feeling and being at one with my environment is an important aspect of me. As a child i could merge so well in nature that i was not to be found if i didn't want to. Also i didn't loose my way, nature beings always helped me. But on another level, this image indeed speaks of more. The woman stands with her right foot on the head of the snake. Together i can see they form a lemniscate, they are in an infinite dance with each-other. They dance in the circle of the universe, with a background of greenery which i feel represents mother earth. The head of the woman is enclosed by a light square, this reminds me of something out of the secret of the golden flower. eh..something like the square thumb in the square foot. Thereby meaning the forehead center in the field of the head ( or something...) the way her head is shaped seems to point to some brain structure..i dunno, no clear association there. downside there is a houselike structure, like humanmade the four heads around the picture I seem to remember as having to do something with the four gospels, but the association i have is that of the four sides of the compass. Motherhood has been very important and draining to me. It's finished now and i am free to tread my own path. Love beauty and creativity....somewhere in me, there is a well that should give these qualities. I associate this with the balance between male and female in me. Now I may learn to be female, and thereby fulfilling the meaning of this card. Noonespecial gave me this text: <<She is Binah, Understanding, the Sanctifying Intelligence, termed “the foundation of Primordial Wisdom,” because Divine Wisdom proceeds from that perfect understanding of Itself (REFLECTIVE) and of Its power through which Spirit purifies and completes all its creations. This purifying power is associated with Water (represented by a stream and pool in the background of the picture), and Binah, as the “root of Water,” corresponds to the Great Sea –Prakriti, Aphrodite, Mare – Mary. She is also the Salt (THE BODY) which is the active principle of that Sea {UNCONSCIOUS/PRIMA MATERIA}. ~Paul Foster Case>> this is more than i dare to think of... i never wanted more of life than a partner and a family... looking at the card i see the pelican, on which i already commented. Two sliver moons, for me representing the female and the circular balance. The endless spiral that life is. Her green skirt is the green of mother earth. She has the blue lotus holding at her breast. I gather that to mean that compassion is balanced with wisdom. It interest me that her headdress is the same as that of the priestess of the rider-waite deck, that seems to support my idea of compassion balanced by wisdom do I understand well that my annual card of last year was adjustment? When i was a young girl, 11 years, one of my sisters let me look at the rider-waite deck. She told me to choose the three cards that i felt the most attraction to...one of those cards was the hermit. Much later, housecleaning, my son laid his hands on my deck...i've always kept it, but after my 18th never used anymore. I told my son to be careful with them and look at them. He chose the hermit as the most attractive card...even made a drawing of it, even though drawing was something he abhorred. And it is a fitting card for this year, i'm struggling with loneliness even more than in the rest of my life. but on a new/other level. I like the picture, he's surrounded by corn, which will turn to gold by his own light. The three headed dog seems to me the symbol of death, the dying of a part of me that is no longer needed I also see a spermlike thingy...something that is going to be born... and, a snake, encircling a clear golden light thank you Michael, this was a worthwhile experience

Everything that comes up seems to have sides and dual character. looking on the web i found this image with this text: <<18° - Knight Rose Croix: This degree teaches that, in reality, what causes us to be immortal is affection; is love. Only if one loves is he conscious that he lives, and that he therefore loves life. As Masons, we should practice virtue that it may produce fruit. We should have faith in God, mankind and ourselves. And we should be loving men. Masonry teaches that, so long as a man is loved, so long as he is remembered with love; he continues living in this way even in his grave. And a brother who conveys this image and this message >> There is a 'problem' with this... Many a woman ( and men too, i think) is taught to love and to give unconditionally. But when this giving occurs without a healthy base, the giver gets depleted of her own resources, she becomes totally empty of love, of anything. This because she hadn't learned. wasn't taught that she needs to love herself, care for herself so that she able to give away love etc. to others. In wich case the symbol of the pelican begets a different meaning, that of the mundane person, giving until she dies. Without being able to replenish herself. At the root of this, is a closed heart. the saying: " Love yourself like your brother" pops up. But also the chinese proverb: the wise woman waters her own garden first. what is an R + C symbol?

Thanks noonespecial, I read this yesterday so that gave me time to look at some more pictures. And indeed it isthe pelican, symbol seemingly buried deep into my mind. and this is the picture that rose up in me https://edmundsiderius.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/emblemata-an-iconographic-overflowing/ interesting i find this part of the text: <<While this is not too far from the generally accepted iconography of the pelican there are others that diverge significantly from this symbolic norm. One emblem in particular “Pelikan baut sein Nest auf dem Boden” Pelican: builds its nest on the ground. This diverges from almost every other pelican emblem, only preserving the nest in its symbolism. Rather than espousing the virtues of self-sacrifice, as even the more secular emblems of its kind tend to, it warns against hubris, citing the placement of the pelican’s nest (which itself varies from emblem to emblem).>> The warning against hubris touches me/ is relevant....also this comes from a germanspeaking place, close to my birthground. yes, i can see what you mean with this text, but my association was somewhat broader. The suffering of a person before (s)he more or less consciously starts to tread the path can be an indispensable first step. That at least was my first association with this image. Interestingly your link provides a connection with the phoenix mentioned by Nungali I did not read the link that you gave, but the mentioning of sea and salt resonates with me, thank you. For me the sea is like the living womb that gave birth to all of us.

thanks all for responding, i've been giving it 'thought' . Meaning that first I've been looking at the pictures, then i slept, and now I've bee doing some reading for myself. You all know far more of it then I do, so i'll give my associations which give me some more insight in the 'what/ whuffor' of my life I found a nice place to look at the thoth-cards in big pictures where the details have a better visibility. It surprises me that the cards 8 ( strength or lust) and 11 ( justice or adjustment) have changed places in the order. I'll respond to your posts one by one, that way I can slowly unravel my own associations with it. And I wanna thank Nikolai, who's not complaining ( seemingly) that his thread is going far offtopic