Jonesboy

I can see that.

I hear ya but does she keep showing up at your front door?

Has anyone offered, impled or even wanted to talk about our practice in this thread? Who brought it up? Who keeps talking about internet persona's, authenticity, dangerous practices. You have.. Do you see us trying to communicate our practices here? NO Do you see us in the chat room working with people daily? NO The attacks always start from people like you. Accusations that you want others to defend against. This is real simple. If you want to know what we are about here is a link to our chat room. https://join.slack.com/t/livingunbound/shared_invite/enQtMjQ0MzU3ODk0NTE4LTQ0N2JkM2I4NmMwN2UzNTYwZGM0NzM1ZWY4NDc4NWMyOWQxZmU1NTJlODRkNDI1NmM1MjQ2YWJiOTc0N2E0NDE We will answer any question, have many threads and posts with such questions and answers that we share with people. You can observe how we interact with each other, how we work with each other, how people are experiencing such practices all before you do anything, if you decide to do anything. A person of integrity would do one or all of those things before disparaging others like you have. Now what type of person you are from here on ... will be telling.

Hate it when you get all wise on me.

I know we do Jeff. It would just be nice for those with the loudest voices shouting warnings... To at least have the common courtesy to find out what we are doing, to visit, to talk, to experience something of the "light group" before going on for years with thread after thread with the same old uniformed junk. I understand accepting and letting it flow through.. but sometimes it is best to let the rest of the world know what they are saying is a bunch of bs. If all everyone hears is fear, danger and all we do is not respond to such things... Sometimes when you can't even do a thread saying congrats to a friend without it being used to attack an entire group of people... Get's old Jeff.. 33. Jesus said, "What you will hear in your ear, in the other ear proclaim from your rooftops. After all, no one lights a lamp and puts it under a basket, nor does one put it in a hidden place. Rather, one puts it on a lampstand so that all who come and go will see its light." Nor should you let others put in in a basket.

CT, Your attacks through out this thread against a person, a group and a set of practices with no interaction or personal knowledge speaks volumes about you. That is not a sign of respect. We are open to questions, have thread after thread providing answers to questions. Beyond just talking we also offer to demonstrate what we are talking about so that someone can experience it. Now the question is, is such demonstrations dangerous? From those with no experience of us, fear group energy work, fear energy work in general or who have publicly stated they have an agenda to stop us then the answer is yes. You sir have been leading that bandwagon and encouraging it and you know you are ignorant of anything we do. That is not mutual respect to me. Maybe that is where our issues lie.. We see respect for others practices and beliefs differently. You have no problem disparaging others without having any information.. just speculation.. You don't see me doing that do you....

CT, I am talking about your uniformed posts. You have no clue as to what you are talking about but have been passive aggressive with your ignorance for pages. It is you sir who has shown your true colors. I do hope someday you can actually be an example of that self righteousness you preach to others. As an example maybe you could start by working on yourself instead of telling everyone how you perceive them to be lacking. Be the example CT. Don't just tell others what to do. Edited to take out the word dumbass.

Jeff, I know you always want me to let this stuff go. Just years now of this same stuff over and over again. People with no clue as to what we do, how we interact, what if anything that we teach and yet it is all dangerous. You're dangerous, now prove you're not!!! I will let it go at your request even with the perception that I am making baseless accusations against someone after I said I would back it up. I understand and will drop it.

About time.

CT, Your higher than thou posts get old. All you have been doing is attacking people and then want to talk about how someone else should resist responding to such comments. You are assuming her issues are because of us. They are not but you don't want to accept that thought. I mean someone who monitors for years anyone who comes and goes from lu.. seriously.. and I am wrong to respond and it must be a problem that we caused? You sir are doing nothing but spreading bs to put it bluntly. What does your tradition say about speaking badly about others and their practices without even first knowing anything about it? Maybe something like resist such temptations? Maybe you should be an example of your own preaching.

What intimate details? That two months after having any contact with Jeff she has a dream and it's Jeff's fault? One would be hard pressed to connect those dots.

If you like I can post links to everything I said. I don't just make up stuff like others have been doing on this thread.

This is getting old. You came to lu with a dream about zombies unscrewing your kundalini cap. You were a quarter turn away from having it open and you were excited about it. You worked with Jeff 3 times. Said it felt amazing but was concerned with how our practice could damage the subtle body and felt it was your mission to stop "light practices." Two months later you have another dream about some being coming to unscrew your kundalini cap and want to accuse us of trying to astrally rape you as well as how our practice attracts entities to people. Since then you send people to our chat, watch our member logs, email people you think we are talking to. Have encourage others to make outrageous posts about the nature of our practices and years later you are still at it. I would definitely say whatever your issue is, it is not us and more about your fears and issues. Just stop with the bs already...

I'm starting to sense you are feeling a little...

Of course but didn't the thread start off with accusations of Jeff talking about his ego and powers and such.. So many passive aggressive attacks over him just saying congrats to someone he feels is high level. Why that is so threatening is beyond me.

To some people chi is gibberish is it not? Kinda the same thing here with you is the way I see it.

My post speaks for itself, if you want to read a whole bunch into it go ahead but in no way am I saying that my interpretation is the only measure of what is positive or negative. I think you are doing a lot of projecting which is fine. Just leave me out of them

No ego here. Mr. Guru is fine.

Way, way beyond me.

I figured at least one positive comment should show up in this thread. Congrats to my very bad ass (inside joke) friend and thank you.

I wasn't aware of any group that is responding to this thread. Just a general question of the members. You have or are noticing stuff or not. I would answer but I would hate to be put into some group just for sharing and marginalized for it.

So then more a statement about depth and not moving beyond time or else you would know it is already here. So kinda saying your still trapped in local mind.

I wonder if this is in reference to the new covenant that Jesus brought. In Buddhist terms this to me is a turning of the wheel. With regard to the "What you are looking forward to has come, but you don't know it." reminds me of GOT verse 3: 3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

Could Jeff or anyone provide more insight into the 4 levels of realization described in the chapter?

Feng/English 24 This is a warning about trying to hard, trying to force things. It's not a doing but a being. Each of these are examples of our ego. Of our attachments or you could say it is "unnecessary luggage." "They do not bring happiness therefore followers of the Tao avoid them."