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I tend to think of it more that there is one essence that we all experience uniquely.

Your body, just like thoughts are energy.. It is all you

Surf the ocean of energy Reside in the ocean of energy Be the ocean of energy Then one can share the ocean that is you.

Not system related. I have found that you don't have to really worry about it because it will happen automatically. It will become natural for it to touch with the tip right behind the teeth and then you will find in a powerful session that your tongue somehow curled up and is touching the back of your mouth. Do what the tradition suggests but if you find it distracting I am just letting you know it will happen on its own and don't stress too much about it.

That sure can happen

How will we lose it? Also, Rigpa doesn't need a quiet mind....

I wouldn't worry about it. Good luck and keep us updated!

That sounds more like an open heart than Rigpa.

I forgot but as I was going through TPP I was also reading the book Insight Dialogue. I will post the instructions and I think for those who have gone through TPP, they will be able to see how to implement it with Insight Dialogue during a conversation. Pause is a reminder to yourself, given inwardly, to stop for a little while. But what stops? It’s the habit mind, the compelling intrigue of your own thoughts. So pause is a call to stop and shift fully into awareness, into the here and now. At this moment, you may notice what thoughts, emotions, and sensations are coursing through you, with all of their elements of desire and aversion. Pausing can illuminate what’s happening with you as you listen or talk to others. Pausing corresponds to meditation practice itself. Relax is an intention you bring to the tension you find in your body when you settle into the pause. You may notice what the tensing is related to as you feel into the tightness or contraction with curiosity and acceptance. With a scary thought, you pause, relax, and begin again. You let everything be and invite the part of your body that’s tense to let go. You turn toward whatever you’re holding in your body and simultaneously toward your mind with loving-kindness and compassion. You let it be and let it go again and again. Open involves extending the friendly acceptance and mindfulness you cultivating in your personal meditation practice to the external world and specifically to those you’re engaged with in communication. It’s an agenda-free receptivity toward the external world that may be first cultivated personally, independent of others. Opening to nature can be a good place to begin, providing a context in which you can feel very safe in opening. You can open to a forest or an ocean, the sky or the desert, or even a flower. Open your heart – extend loving kindness where you like. You might go for a walk in the rain or find a place where you can open to a star-filled night. Trust emergence invites you to remain poised in the open space that you’ve created by pausing and relaxing. You allow whatever may come up without rushing in to fill the space out of some need or discomfort. Think of it as trusting that something will emerge when the moment is right, or trusting whatever emerges, without clinging to the past or preconceptions about the future. In social contexts, it means allowing the conversation to form within the interaction without trying to control or manipulate it. Trust emergence is being present, on purpose, in this ever-changing moment with acceptance of whatever arises. Listen deeply means becoming a receptive field that receives the words and feelings expressed by another person. The invitation is to listen with kindness and compassion and allow yourself to be touched by another human being. This kind of listening is patient, nonjudging, and free from personal agendas. The attitude of listening deeply is a willingness to feel with and experience the thoughts and feelings of another human being without personalizing what you hear, meaning misinterpreting it on the basis of your personal concepts or preferences. Speak the truth means to be honest with the person you’re interacting with. It’s straight talk in the sense of saying things as you perceive them to be. The intention is to express what’s useful and appropriate with attention to goodwill and without cruelty. This is the union of mindfulness with virtue, morality, and mutuality. Is what you are saying true? Is it beneficial? Is it kind? Is it offered in goodwill? It’s important to consider all of these questions, as speaking the truth calls for not only honesty, but also a sincere intention not to injure others. A helpful guideline is to consider the golden rule and speak to others as you would like to be spoken to.

The Triadic Heart of Siva is great .

I guess a couple of people had panic attacks. I know in the version I have he adds an energy practice at the end that can overload someone real quick. Working with the emotions for me wasn't easy. Of course I used every conversation, every situation as a means of being in my body. But yes, Karen is right, if it is not AYP it is pretty much gone. If Yogani say's a thing there is really no debate and if you do... well, you are removed

AYP removed the thread as they felt the practice was dangerous. I argued that two people sending Yogani a letter is not proof and that they should have been asked to post in the thread so that people with experience can help.. as well as figure out what they were doing. It basically led to me being removed as a mod at AYP because I challenged the process...

Your mind wondering like that is very normal. The way I always thought about it was.. the mind doesn't like silence, it likes to think, it is use to being in charge. It is very normal to focus on the breath and then the next thing you know you are noticing that you are lost in some day dream. That is perfect. Once you notice just gently go back to your breath or method of focus. You will lose it again and come back to breath and lose it again.. It is that space between you focusing on your breath.. then you are gone, and then you are noticing you are day dreaming. Over time that space between will grow and grow.. Just know that the brain will come up with many excuses and tell you, you are doing it wrong.. your not.. just stay with it. To help calm the mind, one thing I would suggest is to focus on your body, start at your feet and relax them, go slow and do your entire body, your face, cheeks, lips, forehead, top of the head and just relax it all, let go of all stress. This kinda calms the mind so right when you have let go of all of the tension you move next to focusing on your breath. Just know that what you are doing is correct Know the mind is kinda fighting you and just don't let it talk you into quitting or convince you that you are doing it all wrong. Good luck.

From the Triadic Heart of Siva. With that being said it is all light, it is only our depth and clarity that creates differences.

I found to it be very difficult emotionally and very powerful when I did it. I still use the methods taught, residing in the energy of the upset to release obstructions. The thread I started on it at AYP has been removed so if you are of the mind and want to share your thoughts when you are done with it.. Please do so.

Here is another if you can read Sanskrit. Over 10,000 texts are available for free. Muktabodha Digital Library: Consisting of three separate collections. ◦ The newly added Vedic Manuscripts of Gokarna collection. ◦ An on-line searchable digital library of rare Sanskrit texts, initially focused on Kashmir Shaivism , then broadening to Trika-Kaula, Saiva-Siddhanta, Pancaratra, Natha Yoga and other tantric works. ◦ The Transcripts of the French Institute of Pondicherry. A collaborative project with the IFP and EFEO. http://www.muktabodha.org/index.htm

He sounds like a guru to me. Is what he is saying really any different than the following? From the KULARNAVA TANTRA Difficult to obtain is the Guru who pleased, gifts to you in the fraction of a second, the wealth of liberation, taking you across the ocean of Samsara. Difficult to obtain is the godly Guru who gives to the disciple his own capacity in a moment without any ceremony or effort; who gives instruction in knowledge which instantly promotes faith, is easy and gives happiness of the Self. He is the Guru who goes on giving knowledge with facility, without strenuous practice and the like, as one moves from island to island. Difficult to obtain is the Guru whose mere instruction gives rise to knowledge, even as food gives instant contentment to the hungry. Many are the Gurus like lamps in house and house; but rare is the Guru who lights up all like the sun. Many are the Gurus who are proficient to the utmost in Vedas, and Sastras; but rare is the Guru who has attained to the supreme Truth. Many are the Gurus on earth who give what is other than the Self; but rare is the Guru in the worlds who brings to light the Atman. Many are the Gurus who know petty mantras, medicaments; but rare is the Guru who knows the Mantras handed down by the Nigama, Agama and Sastra. Many are the Gurus who rob the disciple of his wealth; but rare is the Guru who removes the afflictions of the disciple. Many are they who are given to the discipline and conduct according to varna (class), asrama (stage) and kula (family); but he who is devoid of all volition is the Guru rare to find. He is the Guru by whose very contact there flows the supreme Ananda; the intelligent man shall choose such a one as the Guru and no other. By the mere sight of him whose intelligence is active only till the advent of experience, one attains liberation, there is no doubt of it. Rare is the Guru who has eaten up Doubt which has engulfed the three worlds with all that is moving and unmoving. As in the vicinity of fire the butter gets melted, so in the proximity of the holy Guru all sin dissolves As lighted fire burns up all fuel - dry and moist - so the glance of the Guru burns up in a moment the sin of the disciple. As a heap of cotton blown up by a great storm scatters in all the ten directions, so the heap of sins is driven away by the compassion of the Guru. As darkness is destroyed at the very sight of the lamps, so is ignorance destroyed at the very sight of the holy Guru.

To me it is clearly saying that it is not about sex at all, that it is about the union of the male/female, Shakti and Shiva and the bliss of Satchidananda that one experiences with that union. It is saying that others do confuse it with sex in the physical but that is not a correct understanding. It is also saying that the sexual/ecstatic energy one feels as one progresses is just a way station and not the goal. So what is Sachitananda?

Tantra means much more than that. As you can see tantra is much more than kundalini and sex.

It seems what you are doing is working so I wouldn't go jumping to something else or try to change it. Just keep doing what you are doing and let it deepen.

Let's say someone is at the level of shen and they are transmitting. The other person has gone from feeling energy moving within them in there practice to the point where it becomes ecstatic/sexual. They are now feeling that energy in an ecstatic way as it hits obstructions. As mentioned before if one has a shared obstruction people often will feel the energy as heavy, low or in a negative manner but when they begin to feel the energy as ecstatic that same energy they are feeling from others starts to hit them in a different way within the body... ecstatic/sexually. It still can bring up emotions/issues but it is hitting the body in a new way.. The person sending it isn't sending anything sexual.. it is just how we are feeling it. A real guru will be sending light with no shared issues and just his presence and the energy one feels from his presence as it works on the obstructions. One may get increased silence or if they are at the stage where energy feels ecstatic they may feel that. They may also get both, increased silence and ecstatic energy. As one clears more and more obstructions the energy flows through, it has nothing to hit and what use to be or perceived as sexual energy goes away more and more. It is all light but it is our depth and clarity that changes that perception.

This is a little long but I thought it was very good from the sutra. Pg. 61-64

I think it is talking about the over indulgence of food, sex and beer. I am not sure of any tradition that doesn't warn against such things.

So you don't believe that one getting caught up in passions of the local mind be it food, sex, drugs etc.. is a problem to spiritual growth? That those things could be attachments?

That is yours. Notice the bold which you added. Here is what I quoted. Notice nowhere in the text does it state "even though physically it is between a man and a woman" nor did you make it clear that was something you were adding from either yourself or from a different source. Anyways, lets move one..