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I would call that abuse. Jesus never hit anyone.

Centering prayer which is taught by Father Thomas Keating is meditation. It is taught in many churches. Meditation is part of many Christian traditions including as previous stated the Pope.

Have you ever raised your voice to someone, maybe your kids to get their attention but you really were't angry? Maybe you do so to help get your point across to them, to let them know this is a serious issue, yet inside you were not upset? The story in the bible about Jesus in the Temple is much the same way.

I have to tell you. I had no desire to do energy work here but because of all of the comments I am a little excited now to use those days for group energy work. If I am going to be accused of something I might as well do it. Thank you for the incentive. Also, nobody from this group has pushed anything with regard to chat. It has always been open to everyone and it is only a small group that has pushed to change those rules and restrict it's use. I will also say it shouldn't matter who has access to other forums. Many members here run businesses, forums etc.. What people have access to outside of this website shouldn't influence what or who can or can't do things on the bums.

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The nothing has more to do with ones being. It isn't about helping others or not it is more about why. Do you help or give for the sake of giving or is it to change a thing? For instance, let's say a family member comes to you and is really desperate. The tell you they need some money for whatever reason. You give them the money and later find out they used it for a different purpose. If you become upset you are in local mind, your desires for the use of that money wasn't for what you wanted. True giving comes from the giving not from the result or expectation. So the do nothing is more about ones state of mind/being where one does not get caught up in the desire/thoughts...they just flow through non attaching so that true giving from the heart comes to be.

Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling. Not collecting treasures prevents stealing. Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart. Desiring things or states of being, exalting people be they musicians, actors, masters of ones field of study creates for something outside of ones self. It has the effect of creating conflict and one dreaming about the future and how ones life could be better if only they had this thing or that thing.. The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones. The wise rule by teaching that desire leads to conflict within and without. The wise shows one the way to true happiness. If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere. When one is caught up in the local mind with desire and ambition, the clever have learned to manipulate, so let go of such things. If nothing is done, then all will be well. When one is truly present, outside of the local mind everything is as it should be. .

I will keep it to a minimum. Just trying to add some understanding how good and evil and the like arise from the mind.

I admit I look at this from a Buddhist perspective, yet I hope this helps with the topic of desire and good, bad, tall and short.

One notices these things because they are caught up in thoughts, attachments, duality. Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking. The ten thousand things rise and fall without cease, Again, this is about letting go, non grasping, being present and letting it all float on by. Creating yet not possessing, Working, yet not taking credit. Work is done, then forgotten. Therefore it lasts forever.' This is all about not grasping about having a thing, don't get caught up in the ego of needing credit for a thing, not thinking about the past after doing a thing.... Let it go and it lasts forever.

I don't see it as a turning ones back on normal life. It is an fully engaging in life without all of the hurts and pains that come from attaching to things one thinks one needs to be happy. They are trying to show, explain the path to a way of life that is so much better.

Sorry, so many different translations we are using. It would be nice if we could stick to one. Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. This is about being present in the moment. Like in meditation when one is able to let go, not get lost in the thoughts, in the grasping at the creation of thoughts, then one is able to achieve higher states of Samadhi. This is telling us to do the same in normal life, let go, be present and one can see/be the mystery. Ever desiring, one sees the manifestations. When you are caught up in thoughts, in grasping one sees the manifestation... form. These two spring from the same source but differ in name; Like the Heart Sutra. Void/Tao/Emptiness=Form/Mother/Ten Thousand Things. This appears as darkness. Darkness within darkness. The gate to all mystery. Beyond the light is emptiness

What two lines are you referring to that talk about desire?

The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. To me this is always about being. How can one truly express emptiness. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. If you are trying to give it a description it is not the Tao/ emptiness. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and Earth. All things arise from the Tao. The named is the mother of the ten thousand things. All things are form, energy, the mother, that which arises from the Tao.

Just because: http://youtu.be/aSDzQymhzJs

New article and video saying Clintons doctor letter is made up. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/dr_lisa_bardacks_faustian_bargain.html

I have been looking for this quote and finally found it. I think I would have liked him If you have not discerned that the eye of your mind has been opened, And that it has seen the light; If you have not perceived the sweetness of the Godhead; If you have not been personally enlightened by the Holy Spirit… If you have not sensed that your heart has been cleansed And has shone with luminous reflections; If, contrary to all expectation, you have not discovered the Christ within yourself; If you have not been stupefied, at your vision of the divine beauty; And have not become oblivious of human nature When you saw yourself so totally transfigured….. Then tell me – how is it that you dare to make any statement at all about God? 63 http://www.sgtt.org/Writings/Patristics/StSymeonHymns.html Also: What point is there in trying to explain all of this to you, Or trying to make you understand it all? If you yourself have not felt it by personal experience, You will be unable to know it.

No Symeon is talking about an experience. Symeon repeatedly describes the experience of divine light in his writings, as both an inward and outward mystical experience. These experiences began in his youth, and continued all during his life. They came to him during inward prayer and contemplation, and were associated with a feeling of indescribable joy, as well as the intellectual understanding that the light was a vision of God. In his writings, he spoke directly to God about the experience variously as "the pure Light of your face" and "You deigned to reveal Your face to me like a formless sun." He also described the light as the grace of God, and taught that its experience was associated with a mind that was completely still and had transcended itself. At times he described the light speaking to him with kindness, and explaining who it was.[41] In Discourse XXVIII Symeon wrote about the light and its power to transform: It shines on us without evening, without change, without alteration, without form. It speaks, works, lives, gives life, and changes into light those whom it illuminates. We bear witness that "God is light," and those to whom it has been granted to see Him have all beheld Him as light. Those who have seen Him have received Him as light, because the light of His glory goes before Him, and it is impossible for Him to appear without light. Those who have not seen His light have not seen Him, for He is the light, and those who have not received the light have not yet received grace. Those who have received grace have received the light of God and have received God, even as Christ Himself, who is the Light, has said, "I will live in them and move among them." (2 Cor. 6:16)[42] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symeon_the_New_Theologian

He is talking about becoming one with, which is what Theosis is about. It is something that one can most definitely experience.

Saint Symeon described it like this: From St. Symeon The New Theologian (949-1022) We awaken in Christ's body as Christ awakens our bodies, and my poor hand is Christ, he enters my foot, and is infinitely me. I move my hand, and wonderfully my hand becomes Christ, becomes all of him (for God is indivisibly whole, seamless in his Godhood). I move my foot, and at once He appears like a flash of lightning. Do my words seem blasphemous?—Then open your heart to him. And let yourself receive the one who is opening to you so deeply. For if we genuinely love Him, we wake up inside Christ's body we wake up inside Christ's body where all our body, all over, every most bidden part of it, is realized in joy as him, and he makes us, utterly, real, and everything that is hurt, everything seemed to us dark, harsh, shameful, maimed, ugly, irreparably damaged, is in him transformed and all is recognized as whole, as lovely, and radiant in his light we awaken as the Beloved in every last part of our body

Is it a practice or a state of being?

Would the Angels, Jesus and God not be immortals? I also believe that those who has truly looked within and have knowledge of other traditions would understand what Saint Symeon is saying here. “Let no one deceive you! God is light (11) and to those who have entered into union with Him He imparts of His own brightness to the extent that they have been purified. When the lamp of the soul, that is the mind, has been kindled, then it knows that a divine fire has taken hold of it and inflamed it. How great a marvel! Man is united to God spiritually and physically, since the soul is not separated from the mind, neither the body from the soul… It is evident that just as the Father abides in His own Son (12) and the Son in His Father’s bosom (13) by nature, so those who have been born anew through the divine Spirit (14) and by His gift have become the brothers of Christ our God and sons of God and gods by adoption, by grace abide in God and God in them (15).”

Thank you Jadespear, Would the " I think you could exist inside of his existence, or as a part of it if you were to dissolve your little piece of consciousness back into the source of it - back into God." not be like what an Arhat does? Or the goal of yoga to dissolve back into that which is? If you are to look at what a Buddha is. It not a Buddha beyond form, beyond space and time? Is not the teachings of emptiness saying that you are not this form that you are beyond that? I read a nice quote one time that said all Buddha's have the same realization but because they are each still unique they express that realization differently. So for me, the term "theosis" is about that realization.

Let it flow through. If it sticks reside with the energy to release the issue it is hitting. The residing also focuses the mind on the energy and not the mind story.