Fate

I've always like the Hindu creation story best, they are the most humble. They say in the beginning there was vibration, but who created it? Did someone start it? "Who can say" is basically the answer. How can we see outside of creation? This thread will surely have both poetic and logical arguments one way or the other, but at the core of aren't we just afraid of there not being an answer we can reach?

Gotta take the good with the bad, I don't think Osho wanted himself to be seen as any 'authority' anyway if you read his writings. He wasn't teaching anything, had no philosophy or truths... in my view he just wanted people to seek for themselves and break them of their attachments. It is kind of like Alan Watts commentary on Gurdjeff (sp?) how the man was playing the role of a charlatan, quite consciously so.

During my first experience with qi gong and cultivating a lot of Fire Chi, I definitely found it more difficult to shut down and sleep. One of the 'realizations' I had in that place was that Batman was able to go without sleep because he used different parts of his brain during the day and other parts at night. Of course, I was blending all sorts of lines in reality so your experience may vary. Also from Osho's writings, the place where one goes in deep sleep is the same as Enlightenment, only a Buddha is conscious of entering that place.

Right now I'm looking between Stillness-Movement Nei Gong and Damo Mitchell's Nei Gong as starting points. S-M seems from what I've read so far around the forum to be based more on natural movement and following one's own intuition. http://www.lotusneigong.org/nei-gong-modules/ Mitchell's outline seems a bit more structured and focused on discipline, breath control, etc. This seems more representative of the "hare's" path but then again S-M seems to be greatly revolving around a Qi transmission to get started which is decidedly "Hare" like...

Is there discipline in Daoism? That's an interesting angle to explore... I always considered it more spotanteous, but discipline is needed to balance that out. That's why I saw qi gong and taiji as invented, as strict disciplines to balance out the freedom of the pathless path.

The SotG does advise the 3 Buddhist meditations on emptiness if one is having difficulty with the method. Since you pay no attention to the outside world that is "delusion" energy starts naturally coming back to you. Then you realize that you yourself are emptiness, and you find the center that is nowhere and everywhere-no more need be said about this. I'll look more into breath cultivation as well, thank you.

Hello, First got started with Daoism when a Tao te Ching came across my path 8 years ago. I really enjoyed the philosophy of it and took it to heart and was fascinated with the Taiji symbol for all this time. After a lot of life have happened, I came across a Qi Gong seminar that I took for CEUs for my profession as massage therapist. That really awakened me to the world of energy, and it was a powerful experience needless to say. Mysteriously, I didn't really connect Qi Gong to Taoism as a spiritual path. I started on Shamanism at first as the path of spiritual freedom as a good introduction to explaining mystical experiences, but there wasn't a real "cultivation" or method of meditation that I could find being so loosely organized. Taoism finally came back around to me this year in the form of Osho's interpretation of Secrets of the Golden Flower, or Taoist cultivation methods. I particular enjoy his description of Taoism as the "Pathless Path." I've also been listening a lot to Alan Watts' talks and there are a LOT of parallels between the two teachers. Looking forward to getting connected with a community with similar views/mystical experiences.

I have also come from a background in Shamanism, I took the first course of the Four Winds Society. The concept of "stopping time" is described in the Q'ero shaman lineage as "infinity" or experiencing infinity. Now this is all fancy and sounds nice, and stopping all brainwaves is a beautiful scientific explanation of. It all makes sense. Also I will be looking into your book and hopefully your upcoming workshop, I actually during an intense experience with someone working on them (not having any training or was even intending to work with this concept of infintiy) had them describe it as "all time and no time" or something, but I believe it was this that they experienced! Sharing the taste of infinity with the world, I believe that is path worth walking all the way to the end

When I was a bit more naive and things had taken a negative turn in my life, I tried to become Fate. Now I am in the practice of letting Fate or Tao become me