Karl

New age. No, I'm just following the form of the discussion which insists that if you get rid of ego you will be perfect. You are as you are that's all and so you are already perfect if you follow that ideology. I don't think there is a perfect or an imperfect, there is no measure for it. We have free will and moral choice, sometimes we make mistakes, that's human. Have I ever said there is a 'fast fix' ? No. I query the fixes that you are suggesting and the lack of logic in your explanations and theories. I'm more than happy to recommend meditation, mindfulness, self inquiry, asanas and many other practices as being useful to overall healing and used then for close on eight years, twice a day every day so I certainly do no decry their value.

Insight ? Teachings ? It isn't insight, it's just a logical corollary based on what you said. I can't make it any plainer. Your ego must be blocking the signal.

Has the proven teaching worked ? Have you ended suffering? The tree is known by its fruit. Bloated compared to what ? Is this the bath tub cleaning comparison again. My bath tub is more of an ocean. It's monstrous and terrible thing and you shall bow down before it in terror. Is that the kind of thing you were thinking of ? I coulda been a contender, I coulda been someone....or more like that ?

Who is running the show Is it you or your ego ? If your ego isn't affecting anything then you wouldn't need to be concerned about it would you. It would be benign like a redundant organ. If it is affecting things, then it must rationally affect every decision you make including the one which posits the idea of its own necessary destruction. Is that a logical deduction.

Then they would be neither better nor worse than any other teachings if that were true. All teachings are egoic works, you have simply chosen to accept one egoic work over another. I choose not of them. All men are fallible, all teachings are fallible. Inflicted or, suffering its all the same thing. It arises in you. Are these not the things you seek to be rid of ? Are your teachings then not proving effective ? I only speak the truth TI, not one iota more or less.

What about love, joy, happiness, laughter, compassion, empathy ? Are these not part of perfection ? Is your intention to become emotionless in order to realise your true nature ? I don't follow any teachings.

Are you likening my spirit to a bathtub ? Well I've had some insults in my time :-)

If you are trying to get rid of the ego, then surely is it the ego which gives this answer. If the ego cannot be trusted then what ? Do you see the conundrum. How can you trust what you cannot trust ?

Only from the perspective of self. You already are as you are. You can go on and on thinking that this isn't so, or you can choose to accept you are as you are.

The fed will still be debating raising interest rates.

You are experiencing the universe, conscious of it. To be so blessed should not be discarded.

You are perfect as you are Bindi. If you choose to do this or that then that's your choice. One way or another it makes no difference, you can't escape you essential being.

That's close. Still, accepting who you are without prejudice is easier than inventing new persona. Saves energy. Green ego.

What has that to do with the definition of ego ? Unless you are simply demonstrating yours of course. It appears to me that most of your post count appears to be mud slinging and most of mine are polite replies to your mud slinging. Better I think if you simply desist from doing that, it serves no purpose but to wind you up and increase my post count, which then winds you up.

Is your post contributing in any sense ? No. See if you can try and contribute instead of mounting yet another personal attack.

I can directly know evidence of my activity, but I see no evidence of any other.

Well I am I, and no one else. If ego is I, then I is ego for me. This is just how it is with me. There is no separation. There is also no conflict, which there certainly was when I thought ego was separate.

What is the relationship of ego, self, empathy, consciousness ? Ego (minus)= Empathy(positive) Is that correct ? All Empath is Self All Self is consciousness All Consciousness is Empathy. Is that correct ? That means you are saying empathy=empathy. Which I can't help but agree with ?

How do you know it exists if you aren't conscious of it ? What is it that you are conscious of currently if it isn't the ego you are looking to remove ?

What if ego is just you, natural you as you are but you have been playing a game with yourself in which you produce the label 'ego' as the culprit for all the things you wish were different about yourself ? If you are trying to get rid of ego, are you not just standing in a bucket and trying to left yourself up by the handle ? What if the demand for getting rid of the ego, is actually spoken by what you label as the ego ? Now, you is trying to get rid of you. A perfectly balanced conundrum in which you arm wrestle yourself to the point of exhaustion, over and over again. Just like a cat chasing its own tail. The exhaustion feels like success, but after a time, in creeps the doubts about the destruction of the ego and round and round it goes.

:-) and if there is no separate ego, then this is just us whispering to ourselves and pretending it's an imaginary friend. If we see that this is true, that no separation is possible, then we can admit it simply ourselves that whisper.

What would be so bad about things being exactly what they are Dream Bliss ? I shall stay away from pontification as it wouldn't be helpful. Where you are is quite a fragile place and is on the edge of 'everything is subjective'. I would suggest that you should do a lot of grounding activity at this point. Walking, gardening or whatever. Cut back on practices or stop all together. The universe can come back in gradually and you can spend your time at a lower state of subjectivity. At this stage it is habitual to fly off into the world of Neti Neti and it's unpleasant and depressing-as you have found. You will hit the buffers many times, but as long as you ground and self pace the practices you can keep at state of equilibrium. Relax it isn't a race. :-)

Goodbye to you :-)

I wouldn't call either a definition. Ego is the [genus] that is [differentia]. Stated positively. Is the traditional way to create a definition I would say ( and this is a working definition) that ego is the attibutes and values of the mind that are distinct from those of all others.

Which is why I like free market capitalism. People free to provide for the needs of others.