Karl

Yes, absolutely. Now make the logical leap. You have the information and you are certain it is true, so do the logical syllogism and discover what you always knew to be true.

I don't differentiate because socialism is just the progression to the next level of totalitarianism collectivism if it isn't opposed. Europe has had relative stability since the Second World War that exhausted the European States. There is no reason to think that the catalyst for collectivism will not ultimately lead down that path. Germany was the most enlightened country in the world prior to the First World War. Religion is the collectivist/organised version of one mans ideology. Doesn't matter if it's politics or religion the results are entirely predictable. This should lead to a conclusion-but it doesn't. When Yoga talks about integration, it is not talking about collectivism. When it says everybody is connected it isn't suggesting a gathering of like minded souls. It's saying the opposite.

Capitalism isn't a political system. And yes, every political system will fail. However some political systems have proved themselves to offer more stability than others. Communism Corbyn style isn't one of those. Yet you seemed to support him ?

You realise that socialism is essentially atheistic and religion was something Stalin was stamping out. Religion also opposes totalitarian rule as in Jesus and the Roman occupation and the collaboration by the high priests. So, yes, religion can be made a weapon of totalitarianism - the crusades/the inquisition etc More thinking required I think, but you are on the right trail.

No, I was completely wrong on that score. That's why I said, it was a milestone of sorts. Didn't you make the connection with Jung in the bibliography ? I lay these bread crumbs and the punch line gets lost. I don't know, I must do better ;-) You see, SRM made it clear. The only way to get rid of the false self is to employ a false self. In other words you must think everything is liquid and subjective first. This is the essence of Self Inquiry. There is no helping this, but at some point a hand must reach in and pull you free. That might be something you see or read or notice. I am one such possibility, but not necessarily the right one for you. I chanced on one-it was chance, though I had always been looking so, eventually it was inevitable-although equally had I not been open I may never have run across it.

Oh you ARE that Ralis ;-)

Men are fallible Lenin was a man Lenin was fallible. Telling the truth and sticking to beliefs comes with an enormous element of fallible error. That's fine if it's only your own neck you are risking, but when it applies to 60 million people things get unpleasant if the error is sufficiently large. Anyone extolling socialism need only look at history to know it is not just unviable it is positively destructive and violent. If you carry on carrying the red flag regardless of histories lessons I suggest you are either ignorant or a totalitarian tyrant in the making.

I'm not sure it was a matter of subjectivity to the millions murdered in the purges.

I believe Lenin stuck to his beliefs as did Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Chavez, Mao. It all went well.

All these things are well known, I'm not sure what you are arguing ? If I knock the patient unconscious they will be equally unaware of what is happening. Hypnotic blocking does they same thing. We can choose not to consciously feel pain. It does not mean that bone is not being sawn, or blood vessels cut. If the patient was allowed to bleed out on the operating table they would experience permanent unconsciousness and death. You can trick the mind and set the pain switches to off that way, but it won't result in eternal life. Don't confuse the two things. Sometimes people just want to believe.

There isn't any doubt that how one thinks, one feels. Nikolai, was it not obvious in my book ? However there is no scientific proof that there was ever anything physically wrong with the patient anyway. I watched one of the women in my practitioner group 'heal' a partially deaf woman who sported double hearing aids that had been worn for ten years. Thing is, she wasn't actually deaf, she just thought she was and the therapy work freed her from the belief. This is exactly where we are at with believing things that are not reality, or scientific fact. It's always possible to overcome subjective illusion with more subjective illusion. That's precisely how NLP works. It's no good telling the deaf woman that she is not deaf-the doctors had done that a thousand times already but it didn't help. What's being hatched here is exactly the same illusion. In some respects it's harmless, but it has the potential to be harmful and so, on a broad scale needs discouraging. It stops people seeing reality - so do drugs- and for personal use its fine, but pushing others to engage in it is not harmless.

We're you the cat in the hat ? Well I saw that cat in the hat. Hat cat Cat hat What about that ?

Oh I know, I know. If only I could just accept this wisdom without vomiting over my tablet the world would be a much more beautiful place.

I gave up seeking any more than I have :-) then I discovered I had much more than I had. I cannot deny myself, because there is only self and not two of us. It doesn't surprise me that they differ from mine :-) mind you I spent many years glued to Von Danikin and a mother merrily building and sitting under pyramids in our front room. If we weren't practising astral projection, out of body experiences, ghost hunting we really weren't trying. My mother is still at it. Battery powered something or other sits beneath her bed, crystals and energy eggs everywhere. If it isn't water vortexes it's drinking distilled water from a special stills she bought. I'm not above people getting their kicks this way and if it does them good then I can't see a reason to discourage it. Where I draw the line is when this stuff becomes main stream, is paid for by tax payers and inserted into the states list of 'must do' or 'get shot' policies.

I saw a number 73 bus today. It was chock full of illuminati looking much like ordinary people. ;-)

We put our faith in nature today. Who can heal without nature ? Pyramids and monuments were not a great value to all. They were misguided appropriations of the wealth of others to build mausoleums in sand. Osimandius could have told you that. A madness of biology ? Does it seem like a madness ? If you don't know what the point is brother, then you should discover it quickly, time is ticking. There is no discovering. There is conscious self. It is far more than I deserve and I have enough humility to consider it a great blessing, gift enough. I tell you that you should not squander it looking for, or living in illusions. Bathe in the clear waters of reality and wash away the dirt you are accumulating.

It's really working good: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2015/07/venezuelan-price-inflation-is-not-over.html 800% it's good right ? Inflation is good, the fed said so, so did the gubbermint so 800% must be the bloody jackpot. I wish I was living there with such a booming economy it must be fantastic. Don't you love socialism, it achieves things that even the Devil never dreamed of ? I'm not laughing.

:-) Sacred numbers have long been used as code. It is said that Aristotle would not allow anyone to enter the forum without a knowledge of geometry- though, today we understand the term geometry in a slightly different sense, it meant the geometrical, numerical, musical and planetary relationships. There are many 'illuminati', some purely ceremonial, others using symbology for gain ( symbology was the precursor to the written word for the masses ), others are unaware that they are using sacred geometry and it's relationships to things, or that they are influenced by them. The elite are taught the Trivium and Quadrivium ( though less of the second ) within the elite class schools such as Harvard and Yale. They are aware of those things the population are not informed of, or particularly encouraged to study-though it's all hidden in plain sight and easily accessible if the mood takes you. I wouldn't call these elite 'illuminati', instead they are carefully cultured leadership material who are educated in a way which grants them a network of like educated elite, who can use rhetorical argument and careful wording as part of an overall aim. This aim is perpetuated by the rest of the population, who support it, without quite knowing why they do so, but never the less defending it to the death-literally. It's perhaps best to think of the control structure as a pyramid with the many tiers and layers supporting the few at the top who are cultured and groomed for that position. At the very top of the pyramid is a mirror. If you climb high enough you will see your own reflection. What sits atop the 'illuminati' is the everyday man in the street who's mental constituent of violent oppression of his fellow man keeps the whole thing in play. Who is the illuminati ? You are.

None of that information is new to me, neither do I dispute it in any way, sense or form. I can directly know what is subjective bullshit and what is scientific reality. I already said the material aspects of the universe are nodal. It is the result of energetic vibration, harmonics and syntheses. However this does not make them subjective bundles. They are reality. Drive into a wall and see if it feels like a subjective reality. What is being said here is not the product of of science. It is subjective, superstitious voodoo masquerading as science. Well regarded scientists are just as much a victim of their minds as everyone else. They are as fallible as any other man. The only sense in which they differ is the employment of logical deduction or inductive assessment. That's the only tool we have in the pack and if you aren't going to use it, then the result will be fuzzy, subjectivist delusions. That way leads to burning witches and sacrificing virgins. I despair when I hear 'old fashioned hard science' being given as a reason for ignoring it. There isn't any ' old fashioned science', science is science and the rest of us have stood on the shoulders of great men and women who have worked tirelessly to expose objective reality.

"We are one step closer to getting the tax payer to continue paying for our losses and boost our personal incomes" said one of the political elites. "It must be the perfect thing when you can start a company that has an unsaleable product and then get the tax payer to foot the bill and the bottom line. It also ensures that no politician is put out of work by ensuring a steady stream of funding for his campaign and a well paid place on the board when his career is over. Really, really pennies from heaven. Mana for the righteous" he added.

@ infolad1 Your haven't presented a coherent valid argument. In a nutshell your argument rests on the basis of an appeal to authority. Einstein was frequently wrong, but he was a scientist and could determine theoretical statement from scientific proof. It appears you cannot. You have taken a bit of discussion by notable scientists ( nothing like a good bit of theoretical argumentation, but that isn't proof ). Finally you try and shut down the argument by the use of a sideways ad hominem. Old physics, those that don't get the 'new' ways etc and then marginalise them. If you think the world is not reality, then let me dangle you over a 300 meter high cliff by a rope. I will hold a knife to the rope and you can decide if reality is really real, or not. I'm guessing you will conclude that classical physics is perhaps a better option than testing out your subjective world view. ;-) That's what the monks used to do to 'the enlightened'. When they said they had transcended pain and attachment, then the monks would beat them with sticks until they came to their senses.

Feudalism is very specific. What we have is crony capitalism-really the word capitalism should be omitted completely as its a collectivist model (but instead of the government regulating the businesses, it is the businesses using the Government to provide the specific type and quality of regulation necessary and to change laws and statutes appropriately to prevent interference by legal challenge ). In effect it's a new model. In days past the King or Queen would grant monopolies directly ( East India company is an example ) and this is a version of that style of politics. I heard they have managed to shut down the ex-im bank ? I'm never sure these things are ever totally shut down, but yes it corporatist welfarism funded by the tax payer. Its probably worse than that because it provides subsidised goods to the country purchasing the U.S. Product. In effect the tax payer is handing their productive wealth in cash terms directly to foreign countries.

There is no science. This is just argument ad ignorantum. We never die, but then you say you would have to die to obtain the proof of never dying ? That's definitely question begging. It begins with a logical fallacy and so the 'science' can be safely ignored. There is never any way of proving it, there is no advantage to positing it. I think you turn into a lemon Popsicle and live on a distant moon. My proof is that everything is subjective and so I need not offer any proof. If you ask for proof I will tell you I can't provide it because you have to die first. Mental.

First. How do you know that anything is unequivocally true and real in the world ? Forget concepts for a moment. Think it through. How can you be certain of anything ? If you say 'I cannot be certain of anything'. Then by simple implication you have no position from which to argue that biocentrism is true. Does this make sense ? Why would I listen to a man who says he doesn't know anything is true ( subjectivity ) and then tells me that something he believes is true ? It's like a person saying that every word they say is a lie, but that I should believe what they say. In a theory in which consciousness and reasoning are the actual components of proof, is completely lost. I don't know how to make that anymore clear. Bio centrism is untrue, simply because deductive logic easily uncovers the fallacy and that's game over. If you wish to make an inductive argument then you must do so by providing proof, or then I must simply believe every fairytale and fiction ever written. It is not about belief, it is about proof.

Reality is reality. Keep the subjective inside and not outside. It reminds of that money Python sketch 'only the true messiah would deny he was the true messiah' Question begging epithet.