Karl

Reality is reality even if it's changing. Perception is perception of reality-as it is. You can chunk up and down conceptually from the whirling energies of a table, to the cell structure of wood, to the table amongst all tables of every shape and design everywhere, to furniture and all furniture, to all objects and the entire universe. You can know that the wood will break and rot and turn to dust, that the table may be used for firewood or to construct some other thing. You can know all that and much more conceptually despite direct perception. You are free now, there is no duality, sorrow there is from loss of value and joy from gaining value. This is what it means to be alive. Unnecessary suffering comes from thinking it is other than it is, from the darkness of ignorance or the evil of evasion.

We have just had two friends around for lunch, both are committed to staying in because Obama/IMF/BoE/OECD says it is financially better. They are both public sector workers and I think that this really determines their thinking in regard to career and pension. I can see that this would be a pull, indeed, ironically it's the old folks who have least to gain who are voting to leave. Possibly they see a free Britain as more important having had a deeper connection to wars we have conducted for that purpose.

It's immaterial. This is your choice, independent of what some other guy is getting out of EU membership. I have a philosophy which is what guides my life and the EU doesn't belong to it. For me it's simple, I don't require anecdotal evidence, propaganda or 'experts' to help me reach a conclusion. It's straight forward and simple. I know this isn't the case for others, they are swayed by what the experts say (on both sides), so, unfortunately we have to play this kind of game. Personally I've had enough, if someone hasn't made up their minds then I will try and give them the alternate argument as clearly as possible, but for me I made my mind up years ago.

Half a million you mean ? plus the resources of Goldman Sachs piled into the campaign obliquely. The IMF, BoE and World Bank can't be seen to directly fund the remain campaign as they are supposed to be impartial and must be seen by the public to be impeachable. Goldman and Morgan's are private institutions and can contribute funding, but they can only contribute a limited amount. It makes more sense if you are a banker, politician, crony that is terrified of something that might reveal their poker hand as complete rubbish. If you are a person who works for a living at some kind of job, or business that is disconnected from this crony bubble, then you should vote to leave if you want something to change. If you are completely happy with the way the world is going, or you have some skin in the game then you should probably vote to stay. I believe in reason, independence, freedom, justice, productivity, honesty, integrity and pride. I see nothing in the EU which mirrors those virtues. It looks like a massive corrupt boondoggle designed by an elite, for the elite and run by the elite. They throw some crumbs from their high table to the serfs in the belief the serfs are too stupid to see what's going on. There are those who are easily persuaded to the belief that receiving these few crumbs gives them some kind of special status and that removing the elite would leave them worse off-and it may be so, just like the street beggar who no longer receives a small hand out, then he must find work for which he will likely receive far more, but for which he must produce by 'the sweat of his brow'. You can't have something for nothing except if you are robbing or conning someone else-that's what the EU is.

You can easily make it look bigger than it really is by placing the crowd far in the background and then using a telephoto lens at a distance to flatten the perspective. That croc could be less than 6 feet in length.

I don't see purity as innate. You have the choice. Existence is. Man is the only creature that IS capable of choosing and who must choose. In effect, man is the only animal capable of creating his own suffering. Man is impermanent, his conscious identity is impermanent, but existence is beyond man and is permanent. I'm not saying that this is what Buddah meant by the words, but It's interesting that I find a certain similarity in my understanding of what is being said. Buddah pronounces a dichotomy and then he said that it is the dichotomy which is the medicine. Man is the ONLY being capable of living in the cracks. He can and must choose what he will conceptualise despite reality. He can live entirely contra-reality; and here we see the analogy to a drunk who sees that the room spins, but here lies the dichotomy that, though the drunk sees the room spinning he is not forced to accept that this is reality and you see the opposite is true, a sober man might conceptualise a spinning room despite his senses telling him the room is not spinning. You can live a life predicated on no-self, but you must first be self-this is what I have been saying all along during many months on this forum. You may act as the drunk does, or the sober man who conceptualises what is not reality. You may seek permanence where there is impermanence, no-self where self must be, purity must be continually practised, suffering for those who will not abide by reality. The world is the world, it is permanent as a whole, but changing in parts. Man is impermanent. There is the false self that evades and practices ignorance, then there is the pure self that seeks itself through realities doorway. Is that what Buddah means ? I don't know, each person has to interpret the words in line with his current philosophy and store of knowledge. Did Buddah lay out such a philosophy ? No, he didn't, he created puzzles and left it to each person to figure out the answer. By creating the dichotomy he suggests that something is and something isn't. It's like "when is a door, not a door?" It leads to figuring out the logic of a statement which seems to suggest A is not A, but it's word play, you cannot take the words as solid objects: the answer "when it's a jar" does not suggest the door is both solidly a door and a jar. A jar is the condition of the door in 'relation' to the frame. If you go back and look at the thread on 'the definition of space' you can see that 'space' is that same relationship as defined by man, there is no 'space' as such, just as there is no 'jar' as such in a partially opened door. The problem is that starting a philosophy by picking out dichotomous arguments isn't very helpful. It asks the listener to solve an equation for which he does not know the 'meaning' of the symbols, yet must somehow perform a high level calculus in order to define them.

A good reason to have a few oz of bullion hidden away.

Christianity is the religion of peace by appeasement and Islam it is peace by conquest. Eternal sacrifice of the vanquished vs eternal sacrifice of the conquistadors. Neither of these has a future. When Christianity gives up appeasement (as it did when it took up arms against the Ottomans) or when Islam gives up its bloody conquest then there will be peace. Unfortunately the same battle has re-ignited between those who wish to sacrifice the individual to the collective and those that wish to sacrifice the collective to the individual. Humans are just nuts.

The only thing that changes is mans thoughts and the physical actions he brings about in accordance with those thoughts. First obey nature, then change nature. Existence exists, A is A, a thing is a thing, it is what it is and it isn't anything else. Man may choose to accord with reality because he can directly know reality, or he can choose to remain ignorant, or to deliberately evade. Pure virtues are those that accord with reality and then man is truth and purity. Those that choose to drunkeness remain ignorant and evasive, they refuse to accord with reality, their virtues are hence corrupted and they are incapable of purity or truth. This is not a once only outing. You can't be baptised pure, you have to work at it every second of life. Happiness is achieved by that work; by working to dispel ignorance and evasion.

Crocodiles and a whole host of things out to bite, sting, claw or kill you. Then there are the annoying flies which the authorities allocate to you for however long you visit.

That's a very libertarian view and I would certainly agree where every bit of used land was private property. However, that's not how it is. Instead people have no choice but to accept immigrants pouring into their streets. Of course these immigrants aren't pouring into Mayfair or Primrose Hill, these are poor migrants and are sandwiched amongst the working poor. Their arrival usually means a forced exodus as the immigrants can make living in the area uncomfortable for the original residents. The councils have to be seen to promote multiculturalism and so they are keen to offer planning permission for mosques where other businesses have been refused, they are also subsidising community events and meeting places which inevitably are used as Sharia staging posts. Of course the temptation is to brush this off as utter toss and bigotry on behalf of the unhappy whites, but we had an undercover TV program that showed this is going on. In a libertarian paradise then, as long as no group is threatening another group, then communes are an acceptable normality. Those communes can then decide on who they wish to allow entrance to (just as this should be done at the borders). However, in the UK that is not what we have. Groups are politicised, they are lobbying for special privilige and know precisely how to get it. We don't have privatised communes and so we must rely on the state not to turn our lives into a living hell by allowing millions of culturally deficient immigrants to park themselves on our lawns.

What about the purple headed bed snake ?

Yes, that's true. I was pointing to a historical, cultural legacy of white Christian European culture which, as I think we covered some while back, was the culture under constant threat/attack from the Turkish Ottoman Empire. This is an empire which, despite its collapse, is still of the opinion that it needs to convert the infidel. It's almost a reverse history of black slavery, in which it is the white Christians that were being taken as slaves and had racial apartheid practised against them. Unfortunately we have opened the doors to one and all regardless of their ideology. I'm sure that some are opposed to immigration and are racially discriminating, but as long as somebody wants to come to my country, to mix in my culture and uphold the traditions and values of that culture, then they are welcome. I have to say, that living in segregated communities, dressing like you are still in the Middle East, practising sharia law, refusing to speak English, making little attempt to fit in and building mosques everywhere begins to look suspiciously like an invading army minus the guns (which aren't required if the invaded countries Government is lowering the drawbridge and forcing multiculturalism on the indigenous population by law). The reason people usually emigrate is that they like the customs and culture of the country to which they are emigrating. That doesn't mean to say you don't bring elements of your own culture with you, but you do so in a way in which it fits the culture of that country. Hence we have curry houses and Chinese restaurants which adopted with glee. We have businessmen, doctors, solicitors, builders, nurses, car mechanics that conform to what we expect of people who provide those services to us provide.

My wife has one, it's only allowed out on special occasions :-)

'A race issue' somewhat simplifies it into Government binaries. Its an issue about civilisation, enlightenment, wealth, justice, health and the future. It's simple fact that the West has encouraged multiculturalism and diversity as being good things. Western governments are running public services and tax systems which are really the proxy ownership of private property in the care of a group of politicians that were elected to act as caretakers and servants. The Middle East and Africa are entirely different cultures. Many live in conditions which are barbaric. Even the wealthier countries are autocratic tyrannies run by tin pot dictators and the whole kit and caboodle is dunked in a sour sauce of 4th century religious mysticism. Most of the wealthy have got to where they are by political graft and the rest of the people are largely badly educated and brought up on a diet of harsh religion, poverty, violence and crime. It's fact that the white population is dying out in the West. Our culture is dying because successive Governments have been using regulation, laws, public education, health and welfarism as tools to create an obedient collectivist workforce. This philosophy has back fired and Governments have been burning the fiscal candle at both ends. They have been creating the illusion of wealth, whilst creating more and more debt. So, now they have reached the end of the road and created a legion of white pensioners who have been made dependent on the state and for whom their income must be derived from a dwindling workforce-this being due to policies which have effectively forced women away from family making and into careers causing a fall in birth rates. So, our beloved Lords and masters see the solution as a mix of austerity, subsidies and protectionism for certain industries and a large influx of a migrant workforce-initially through the doors of White Eastern Europe, but now having switched to a culture that is far less easy to accommodate, but who's every whim is pandered to by collectivist populism determined to bring everyone down to the level of homogenous drudgery where aspiration and ambition are crushed flat. These low paid, low skilled workers are looking for the kind of employment that is found in agricultural countries-farming and associated service jobs. In effect it is an invasion which has been propagated by an elite that cares only for its own pockets and lifestyle. The result of high level migration from alien cultures will eventually be the destruction of all that Europe once represented. It will be a collapse towards a low pay, low skill service economy with falling living standards for everyone except for an elite few. We might well end up with sharia law and a version of Islamic Government combined with what we have now. The state has completely abdicated its duties, it has thrown open the doors to anyone who wants to come, it has decided that the private property it held in good faith for the people can be divided like shares of conquest to anyone who asks, it is no longer the servants but the upper class masters and we are the poor serfs who had better get on with it. When I visited Egypt a few years ago I asked about some of destruction of the buildings and temples. The guide told me that as the Egyptian civilisation had destroyed itself, the buildings had become home to tribesmen and invaders who had smashed up the icons and built fires inside the buildings. The exterior walls were peppered with holes where people had created shelters for animals. The civilisation had disappeared and only the massive artifacts remained as testimony to a glorious past. Those buildings were now just byes and barns for poor farmers, soldiers and peasants.

With rates left unchanged - deep in NIRP-land - amid an increasingly fragile banking system (see Italian bank stocks), we expect ECB chief Mario Draghi to reassure an anxious public how well QE is working (despite weak growth and tumbling PMIs), how great negative rates are for stimulating 'something' despite inflation's drift lower, and how his about-to-be-launched corporate bond buying bonanza will really solve the problems of the world (by enabling firms to lever up even more and buyback more stock?). Started Early: DRAGHI SAYS RATES TO STAY LOW WELL BEYOND QE HORIZON DRAGHI: ASSET BUYS TO RUN TO MARCH 2017 OR BEYOND IF NEEDED DRAGHI: EXPECT RATES AT CURRENT, LOWER LEVELS FOR EXTENDED PERIOD DRAGHI: EXPECT RECOVERY TO PROCEED AT MODERATE BUT STEADY PACE DRAGHI:GROWTH STILL SUPPORTED BY DOMESTIC DEMAND; EXPORTS WEAK DRAGHI: IF WARRANTED, WILL USE ALL TOOLS AVAILABLE IN MANDATE DRAGHI: TO CLOSELY MONITOR PRICE STABILITY OUTLOOK DRAGHI: EXPECT ADDL STIMULUS FROM MEASURES NOT YET IMPLEMENTED The ECB cuts long-term growth forecasts, while expecting more growth early: DRAGHI SAYS 2Q GROWTH MAY BE SLOWER THAN 1Q DRAGHI: RISKS TO GROWTH OUTLOOK STILL ON DOWNSIDE ECB STAFF SEE 2018 EUROZONE GDP AT 1.7% V MAR 1.8% ECB STAFF SEE 2017 EUROZONE GDP AT 1.7% V MAR 1.7% ECB STAFF SEE 2016 EUROZONE GDP AT 1.6% V MAR 1.4% The ECB increases its inflation forecast modestly on the short end: ECB STAFF SEE 2016 EUROZONE HICP AT 0.2% V MAR 0.1% ECB STAFF SEE 2017 EUROZONE HICP AT 1.3% V MAR 1.3% ECB STAFF SEE 2018 EUROZONE HICP AT 1.6% V MAR 1.6% His summary: DRAGHI: CROSS-CHECK CONFIRMS NEED TO PRESERVE ACCOMMODATION DRAGHI: MONPOL FOCUSED ON MEDIUM-TERM PRICE STABILITY Just repeat: There is no risk to remaining; there is no risk to remaining;there is no risk to remaining...

Its funny how we talk on this forum about 'humility' yet we are all bowing our heads to the most arrogant group of misguided idiots. Objectivism wouldn't suit the types that believe that it's only a matter of getting people to 'believe' in their debauched pragmatism, in order for it to work. If they just keep telling people it will work, then it will, and it's only the people's lack of belief and constant questioning that is stopping it from being so. It's that old adage 'build it and they will come' from the idiots guide to running a business. Most people are half way between altruist and hedonist which is a million light years from where they should be. They are immoral, unethical and mostly down right bloody evil. The worst are the technocrats running the show who haven't a grain of rationality, never did anything productive and rely of political pull to make their living. They went to the best schools, lived priviliged lives in the shelter of academia or micro political bubbles. They learned Keynesian economics and the Hegelian dialectic, they believe they are omniscient; that they are the only ones who can run the system, that they were born to it and no one else-especially the free market or indibpviduals-can be trusted. They run it like a university, with a vast bureacracy of buildings, paper and people marking out the great dream they believe. The bigger the dream, the bigger the bureacracy and the construction becomes a concrete edifice of the power of their dream and ambition. The humility they require is to see that this vast, sprawling edifice has not been created by their hands, but by the production of the people they are robbing blind in order to build it. "We built a tower of stone, with our flesh and bone, just to see him fly, so many died" "We watched him fall, now what will we do"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-02/another-reason-vote-brexit-uk-taxpayers-biggest-funders-failed-juncker-immigration-p we gotta get outa this place, if it's the last thing we ever do...

We have the poison Adder in Britain. A few people get bitten each year and the bite can be fatal.

When I was on holiday in Peru, we spent a week deep in the Amazon jungle. Our guide caught one of the frogs they use to tip the poison blowpipe darts. He shook it in his hand to make it dizzy and stop it jumping. When he opened his hand there lay the tiniest, perfect little red frog. Really tiny, about 1/4 the size of a sugar cube.

We will see the EU undergoing greater destabilisation and economic collapse. Meanwhile the elite will continue to try and accelerate greater uniformity. It's really pretty simple. The world is in a deflationary spiral and most of the corporations are surviving by share buy backs and mergers. Meanwhile the Governments and the people are all in terrible debt. It isn't that different from the collapse of the USSR, but a veneer of free market capitalism has extended the life span. It isn't accidental that the oldest economic power house has cooled quickest and is attempting to drag more and more countries into its orbit. The elite are hanging on by their fingernails and are turning on their people in response to the failure of their planning. These people appear to be psychotic and arrogant; they are convinced they know how to fix things, but the more they fix, the worse it gets and the greater toll they take on their own population. We are all being shuffled towards a cliff edge by fools who can't see that they have lost a game that they could never, ever have won. I suspect the price we will all pay will be extremely high. I think of it like the Battle of Britain-we have little chance of achieving victory, but we have some chance. If we lose, then Europe will lose, then the USA will gradually fall as Britain did.

I think there is a breed of frog which can glide.

I just watched a report on France's riots over the changes to their workers rights. Apparently, according to a French economist, the reason for the rights being removed is due to an EU ruling trying to free up the labour market. Strange to think the Labour Party is pushing to remain, because the EU has added to workers rights. Then there was another short report on Greece, one of the ministers saying that their Government was naive to believe the Greeks would be heard inside the EU. Why does anyone except DAVOS men and Bildenburgers think its a good idea to remain in this shitty mess. I think if we don't leave, then White, Christian Europe, as we once knew it, will be gone within our lifetimes. I think this was always the plan. Lots of cheap labour and children that don't expect much-just as we exported the dirty work to cheaper Chinese peasant labour, our Governments and the crony capitalists have lost control of the economy and are attempting a version of slavery to keep them in the lifestyle they believe they deserve.

It's because we need to eat Junko, so collecting/rearing snakes for food is probably a easily accessible source of high quality protein, fats, vitamins etc. The skin can be used for shoes, purses, handbags, clothing etc. Nothing is wasted.

I'm amazed by the new found positivity of remain - that staying in the EU will lead to more jobs, a better economy, ice cream every day. Yet we are in the EU and Europe has much higher unemployment, a terrible economy we are paying for and the strikes have meant a paucity of ice cream. It's like a car salesman telling a customer not to buy a new car, even though the old car is rusting, unreliable and expensive to run. Apparently the new car isn't worth shelling out for because it's 'a leap into the unknown' and that the cost of buying it might, possibly, but not conclusively be greater than constantly repairing the old car and being consistently late for work. It can't be a case of 'better the old car you know' because at some stage it will come to a complete halt after spending a lot of money trying to keep it running, however, you can't afford to buy that new car anymore as you lost your job as a result of being late too often. That, to me, represents the best analogy for the EU. We accept it will cost us something to leave, but the opportunity cost of not leaving might well cost us everything.