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Nice observation. They're playing with a radio, thinking the music, and shows are in the radio. They haven't figured out yet that the radio is just a receiver. Consciousness is immaterial. It has to be. Only way to allow for infinite probabilities. Also, people tend to confuse the personality with consciousness. The personality is a mental construct. An amalgamation of thoughts, opinions, & conditioned responses to external stimuli. Consciousness is that which is looking at the thoughts, looking at the Images, looking at body perceive sensations, desires, urges, but is none of It. They'll make breakthroughs once they can go beyond gross physical matter. Penrose and Hameroff's Orch Or theory is close. Dovetails with a lot of what Lanza is saying: http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/content/overview-sh Stuart Hameroff on Singularity 1on1: Consciousness is More than Computation! Enjoy! Cheers!

Thanks again for proving my point. You literally just told me that I can't read. And that I don't understand. Your hubris is funny. And you don't cultivate. "God" (Allah, Original Nature, The Big Giant Head) doesn't reward or protect. Those are under our control. Our ability to choose is the essence of our likeness with It. Einstein said that he can't comprehend reincarnation, then he gave his opinion on it. Has nothing to do with, and doesn't negate the quote I used. Find someone else to waste time with, In your Hegelian sandbox Karl. As I said before readers, I've written down my position. You've read Karl's. Come to your own conclusions. I'm done. Cheers!

And as If on cue... Thank you Karl for validating everything I said. You're very helpful. Instead of attempting to put words In others mouths, let's see what these gentlemen said, regarding reality. I'll let the reader decide if they're talking from theory, are stating conclusions gained through the scientific method: Einstein - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Niels Bohr, "Atomic Physics and the Description of Nature" (1934) "The great extension of our experience in recent years has brought light to the insufficiency of our simple mechanical conceptions and, as a consequence, has shaken the foundation on which the customary interpretation of observation was based." "Isolated material particles are abstractions, their properties being definable and observable only through their interaction with other systems." Speech on quantum theory at Celebrazione del Secondo Centenario della Nascita di Luigi Galvani, Bologna, Italy (October 1937) "For a parallel to the lesson of atomic theory regarding the limited applicability of such customary idealizations, we must in fact turn to quite other branches of science, such as psychology, or even to that kind of epistemological problems with which already thinkers like Buddha and Lao Tzu have been confronted, when trying to harmonize our position as spectators and actors in the great drama of existence." Statements of Bohr after the Solvay Conference of 1927, as quoted in Physics and Beyond (1971) by Werner Heisenberg "I consider those developments in physics during the last decades which have shown how problematical such concepts as "objective" and "subjective" are, a great liberation of thought. The whole thing started with the theory of relativity. In the past, the statement that two events are simultaneous was considered an objective assertion, one that could be communicated quite simply and that was open to verification by any observer. Today we know that 'simultaneity' contains a subjective element, inasmuch as two events that appear simultaneous to an observer at rest are not necessarily simultaneous to an observer in motion. However, the relativistic description is also objective inasmuch as every observer can deduce by calculation what the other observer will perceive or has perceived. For all that, we have come a long way from the classical ideal of objective descriptions. In quantum mechanics the departure from this ideal has been even more radical. We can still use the objectifying language of classical physics to make statements about observable facts. For instance, we can say that a photographic plate has been blackened, or that cloud droplets have formed. But we can say nothing about the atoms themselves. And what predictions we base on such findings depend on the way we pose our experimental question, and here the observer has freedom of choice. Naturally, it still makes no difference whether the observer is a man, an animal, or a piece of apparatus, but it is no longer possible to make predictions without reference to the observer or the means of observation. To that extent, every physical process may be said to have objective and subjective features. The objective world of nineteenth-century science was, as we know today, an ideal, limiting case, but not the whole reality. Admittedly, even in our future encounters with reality we shall have to distinguish between the objective and the subjective side, to make a division between the two. But the location of the separation may depend on the way things are looked at; to a certain extent it can be chosen at will. Hence I can quite understand why we cannot speak about the content of religion in an objectifying language. The fact that different religions try to express this content in quite distinct spiritual forms is no real objection. Perhaps we ought to look upon these different forms as complementary descriptions which, though they exclude one another, are needed to convey the rich possibilities flowing from man's relationship with the central order." I could pull up more from others I've mentioned, but I'm sure that readers can see what these men were saying for themselves. Just Google "quantum mechanics history" for a list of all the players, to get a more nuanced view, than what I can give In a forum post. I don't argue, or debate. Beyond being of educational benefit to people new to a particular topic, so they are aware of differing viewpoints, at this point in my life, it's a waste of both people's time. I present what I know, and leave it for each individual to decide who's "right", or "wrong". Debates tend to devolve into egoistic posturing, by their very nature. Just present your position, and keep it moving. Besides, why should anyone bother to debate with someone who's not even doing any of these practices? Again, a waste of time. By your own admission In other posts, you don't even cultivate. So why are you even here? Just sincerely curious. Using the Trivium and Quadrivium to argue against the Eastern view of reality? Though useful In lower level closed systems, when it comes to the Eastern Sciences, it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. But If it works for you, then have a party. Good fortune to you. I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for. Cheers!

This "argument", was settled 100 years ago. The greatest scientific minds of this current age said that reality isn't "real" In the way that most people think. Einstein said it. Bohr said It. Pauli said it, among others. Some of them didn't like saying it, but they had to admit that the experiment that led to this conclusion were accurate. People have attempted to refute the double slit, and we now having various splinter versions of quantum theory due to this. It is a fact that we can only perceive a very small piece of the electromagnetic spectrum, without instrumentation. So common sense should tell you, that most people don't have a complete picture of reality. The empirical belief system only holds up under the classical physics model. We've been way beyond that model for quite some time. A number of people (some of which are scientists) just refuse to admit to the fact. As such, you have scientists still disagreeing amongst themselves as to what's actually happening, as you can see below: Brian Greene: Quantum Physics And Reality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbCl4p5TDPc Tom Campbell: The Key to Understanding Our Reality (from Spokane) Richard Dawkins and Brian Greene: Do We Live in a Simulated Universe? Neil deGrasse Tyson makes fun of Brian Greene's String Theory (Must Watch!!!!) Computer Code Discovered In Superstring Equations So it really just comes down to which reality box you decide to utilize for your explanation. The other thing that empiricists/materialists don't get, is that if this is a simulation, then all of your arguments are based upon just knowledge of the physics engine that you've "discovered". Are there other physics engines? We've discovered two so far (classical, and modern), so it's possible. What is the programmer? Some say consciousness, some say you can never know. So as they drill down deeper, and deeper into the physics engine, they see that reality is made up of molecules, which, are made up of atoms, which are made up of sub-atomic particles, which the further you go down into their structure, are composed of more, and more nothing. So then you end up with books like this: The 4 Percent Universe: Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and the Race to Discover the Rest of Reality http://www.amazon.com/The-Percent-Universe-Discover-Reality/dp/B007K4QADA Book Description: "In recent years, a handful of scientists has been racing to explain a disturbing aspect of our universe: only 4 percent of it consists of the matter that makes up you, me, and every star and planet. The rest is completely unknown. Richard Panek tells the dramatic story of how scientists reached this cosmos-shattering conclusion. In vivid detail, he narrates the quest to find the “dark” matter and an even more bizarre substance called dark energy that make up 96 percent of the universe. This is perhaps the greatest mystery in all of science, and solving it will bring fame, funding, and certainly a Nobel Prize. Based on hundreds of interviews and in-depth, on-site reporting, the book offers an intimate portrait of the bitter rivalries and fruitful collaborations, the eureka moments and blind alleys, that have redefined science and reinvented the universe." So "matter" only makes up 4 percent of the structure of the known universe. This is current scientific theory, not the older "laws" of Newton, and Maxwell, among others. Getting into arguments with hardcore empiricists/materialists is a waste of time, and energy. Their reasoning is usually excellent. their premises however have been proven to be built upon quicksand, by the very hard science priesthood that they worship, and whose older dogma they espouse. Their knowledge base of current scientific discovery tends to be dated as well. They haven't usually heard of Information theory, Digital Physics, and other cutting edge proposals. They tend to live in the relative safety of classical physics. This "New Physics" stuff is downright scary to them. So they proceed to throw tantrums, screaming "Idealism", or whatever other "ism", to whomever chooses to listen to them. If you frequent this forum, then you're pursuing practices related to Eastern Philosophy, Science, & Cosmology. This is what some Western Intellectual gatekeeprs think of Eastern Sciences of Knowing: "Some Western thinkers claim that philosophy as such is only characteristic of Western cultures. Martin Heidegger is even reported to have said that only Greek and German languages are suitable for philosophizing[citation needed]. On the other hand, Arab and Jewish philosophy, which have been in dialogue with the Greek tradition and, in the case of leading Islamic philosophers such as Ibn Sina or Ibn Rushd, rely heavily on it, are not specifically Eastern philosophies at all. It is still commonplace in Western universities to teach only Western philosophy and to ignore Asian philosophy altogether, or consider only newer Western-influenced Asian thought properly "philosophy". Carine Defoort, herself a specialist in Chinese thought, has offered support for such a "family" view of philosophy,while Rein Raud has presented an argument against it and offered a more flexible definition of philosophy that would include both Western and Asian thought on equal terms. In response, OuYang Min argues that philosophy proper is a Western cultural practice and essentially different from zhexue, which is what the Chinese have, even though zhexue (originally tetsugaku) is actually a neologism coined in 1873 by Nishi Amane for describing Western philosophy as opposed to traditional Asian thought." Biocentrism is a familiar theory to students of both Eastern Philosophy, & Science. Folks with materialist based reality boxes will strongly oppose these views. There IS no changing of their minds. It's literally how they see the world, until THEY choose to see it otherwise. So don't waste valuable time, or energy debating them. Nothing to see here folks. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Carry on. Cheers!

EXACTLY! Someone who gets It. Kudos to you. You're already Marvelman. You just have to remember your word of power, to transfer your memories, personality, and sphere of awareness back to your Super Saiyan body. Which is already there, and which you already are. Cheers!

To keep this thread from further devolving, LOL! what Is everyone's exact definition of Immortality? Not what you read In a book. Your definition. No thing In the physical world lasts forever, that's the first thing. No thing is permanent. Physical longevity is a side effect of these practices. So your teacher is misinformed. The gross physical body's deterioration accelerates, due to lack of Real Yang Qi. Increasing the amount of Yang Qi, reduces the deterioration, thus increasing longevity. Slowing down the number of breathes per minute also slows down aging. (Since slowing, and deepening of the breath activates Tai Hsi/Kevale Khumbhaka, thus activating the Real Yang Qi, they manifest hand in hand with each other). Animal Breathing rate, breaths/min Life span, years Giant Tortoise 4 150 - 400 Shrew 140-170 1 House mouse 95-160 1.5-3 Monkey 32 18-23 Dogs 20-30 10-20 Man (NOT an Animal : ) 18 50-70 (Higher Numbers due to Artificial Factors) Important Note: Forcing the breath to slow doesn't do this. As a matter of fact, It's dangerous. The spirit slows down the breath on it's own, from hours of cultivation work. The spirit knows what it's doing. You don't. So just let It do It's thing. The main thing you can do to activate this is PRACTICE. Build up to 2 hours a day, everyday, over 5 years. This ends our PSA But never forget, you're just slowing the body's aging down. You're never going to stop It. Now how long can you keep slowing it down? That's open to speculation, and debate at the moment, not unless we have a couple of tech savy Immortals lurking on this thread. If you make It past 120, then let's talk. Here's a picture, along with a testimonial from Michael P. McBride, of Cheng Yu Li: This is an extremely valuable picture of Dr. Wu’s Daoist Aunt, Cheng Yu Li, the younger sister of Dr. Wu’s teacher, Master Du Xin Lin. She is currently 140 years old (1866-Present). Her longevity is a direct result of 133 years of persistent practice. Master Wu took me to visit her on Jan. 2, 2003. During this meeting; she emphasized the importance of the “Five Centers Facing Heaven”. She is living proof of this testimony. - Michael P. McBride (**MOON FESTIVAL - Oct. 6, 2006**) And then of course, there's Li Qingyun: The 250 year old man. The Immortal: True Accounts of the 250-Year-Old Man, Li Qingyun http://www.amazon.com/The-Immortal-Accounts-250-Year-Old-Qingyun/dp/1889633348 "In 1927, General Yang Sen invited Li Qingyun to Wanxian, China, to teach about health and longevity. Li Qingyun was reported to be 250 years old at the time, and his visit to Wanxian was big news. In 1970, Yang Sen compiled a book of his and other’s accounts of Li Qingyun, titled An Authentic and True Record of a 250-Year-Old Man, which Stuart Alve Olson started translating into English in 1982." Are their ages accurate? Some say yes, others say no. Who knows. Jing is in every cell of the physical vehicle. The jing (endocrine system/enzymatic system substances) in the gonads (testes in men, ovaries In women) are just the most visible barometer for measuring jing levels in the body, that's all. As others here have said Lataif, it's not either or. All Immortality is, is survival of the memories, and personality after death. It has nothing to do with the physical bodies (of which the gross physical body is one). These are all mind created. Every thing is Mind, noumena, mental. Beyond that is no thing, Consciousness, which is immaterial. And even then, if you haven't gotten back to no thing, you only maintain consciousness for as long as you have enough divine spirit (Shen) to do so. Like a star. That's why the various ancient texts talk about maintaining consciousness for MILLIONS of years, in the various heavenly realms, and STILL having to come back here. I concur with what I believe Chi Force said. You don't want to get to wrapped up In thinking In terms of bodies. That's a MAJOR trap. Finally, you NEVER get rid of desire. You just SUBLIMATE the desire. We must be clear about this. de·sire dəˈzī(ə)r/Submit noun 1.a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen. "a desire to work in the dirt with your bare hands" synonyms: wish, want, aspiration, fancy, inclination, impulse; More verb 1.strongly wish for or want (something). "he never achieved the status he so desired" synonyms: want, wish for, long for, yearn for, crave, hanker after, be desperate for, be bent on, covet, aspire to; More So, everyone here desires to cultivate. They desire to become one with the Tao, True Nature, etc. Desire is movement. Motion. External motions = Emotions. We're just elevating the frequency (purity) of the desire. Of the movement. But it's still a desire. As the kids these days say, don't get It twisted. We're all playing an RPG here. Even having your character not move, it's still doing something. We really have to be clear about what we're doing, for the traps on the road are many. Cheers!

Thanks Daeluin! I will, when I can. I'm launching a business next week, so things are going to get even more hyper insane for me, time wise. I will when I can though. I LOVE I Ching! I've used it for major, and minor decisions, over the years. It works! Thanks again. Cheers!

Yes, it IS easy for people unfamiliar with the actual experience, to get confused. They described it as falling snow, because any one who's experienced it knows that's what it looks like. A modern interpretation would be "white noise". People really need to stay mindful of when all of these descriptions were written. They're not always completely accurate. It may also be a bad translation. And as someone who's worked I Ching for close to 20 years, sometimes it's cryptic, and sometimes it's VERY concrete in it's statements. Example: Top line stressed in Hexagram 16 Enthusiasm, Is :NO, it's not happening. Nothing in between about THAT stress line LOL! But that's a conversation for another thread. Cheers!

I apologize If that's how It came across. I just wrote a post talking about how they're not the same thing, the phenomena is just similar. As you upgrade to full perception of these various bodies, and bring them online, you're now open to various perceptions, and experiencing various phenomena. It might be linear, It might not be. When everyone's reading the same text, and expecting the same things to occur, the spirit accommodates. It's our faithful servant. "I want my psychoid archetype to look like Krishna". Spirit: "Done Boss." BAM! And there's Krishna. "I want mine to look like Thor". Spirit: BAM! Done. A lot of what people experience is due to conditioned response patterns, not because that's the way it actually looks. People who've had so-called "UFO" encounters, deal with the same thing. Some people see fairies, some robots, & some grey aliens. It's showing them what they expect to see. This is a great exchange! Keep it coming folks! Cheers!

Exactly! You're driving In your car on the way New York. You might pull over on occasion to take in the sights, but you get back In the car, so you can get to New York. If you don't get back In the car, you never GET to New York. The early birds just go straight to New York. They save a lot of time. Got It? Cheers!

That's basically it. They're two separate events. Your quotation Gongfu is STRONG!! Nice stuff! Cheers!

I wasn't discussing shortcuts. I was talking about direct experience, versus intellectual fantasizing, and hearsay. People need to be clear about which one they're doing, at all times. Everyone who experiences these transformations, are of different cultures, and backgrounds. The general transformation sequence is the same. But the details are not. They CAN'T be. One person says "Tummo". Another says "The Fiery Love of God". Same thing, different terms. Some will see Archangels. Others Deities. Same thing, different terms. People are different. Cultures are different. So the DETAILS of what happens can be different. That's all I'm saying. I've been doing this for close to 20 years, so I've put my time In. No "shortcuts" here. Cheers!

Exactly! People get incredibly dogmatic with these texts. YOUR experiences take precedent over anything else. TRUE knowledge is direct experience. Everything else is heresay. Might be right, might be wrong. Don't believe. KNOW. Wise words rainbowvein. Thanks! Cheers!

Sure. It was pure white, shining, radiating, a tear In reality, in the air. Haven't seen anything like it, before, or since. At first, I would see it in my peripheral vision. Then it would appear In front of me for a second. As I've said before, what's happening is that as you bring these different bodies online, you're upping the frequency at which you can both function, and perceive. These phenomena are just milestones to indicate that you've "upgraded", and can now access these levels. That's all. And the actual phenomena doesn't always manifest the same for everyone. Everyone's different. We need to be a bit more plastic about these things, and not so rigid. To say,"You absolutely MUST see so and so", is going to limit your progress. Witness, but don't get wrapped up in the details of how it unfolds, just know that it will, if you do the work. Dealing in absolutes using your human level of perception, can be a trap for a lot of people. Cheers!

I've got work to finish, so I'll answer your question by Friday evening, at the latest, my good buddy. Oh, I have references, my friend...MWAHAHAHAH!!..HAHA..ha...*cough* Stay tuned readers, as Bugs and Daffy continue their debate: Cheers!

That actually isn't what I said. What I said is that Shen is light, radiation. Divine Spirit. Jing (The substances of the endocrine system/Water/Earth), converts to Qi (Vapour, Gas, Plasma/Air/Fire), which then enables Shen to manifest in the gross physical body. (Shen is light/ radiation, so the physical vehicle has to be prepared to contain it). These are different bodies, or sheathes. They're both inside, and outside the gross physical body, like a Russian Babushka doll. But they all connected to one another. As you "Up your frequency", by doing these practices, you're then able to access them. Innersoundqigong, I know exactly what the traditional sayings are, regarding jing. Ideally you don't want to lose jing. But after you lay the foundation (100 days of no jing loss, while doing emptiness meditation, to avoid suppression of the libido), if you DO lose some jing, you'll still progress. just much more slowly (don't go crazy people! ). You hold onto your jing to speed up the process, once you've kickstarted it with the 100 days. This has to be said, because some guys develop neuroses over this ( I was almost one of them!) Just be natural about all of this, do your emptiness meditation, sitting, and standing meditation, be virtuous, do good deeds (people always forget this part. Selflessly helping others builds more jing, Qi, and Shen, than everything else. Why do you think you see Christian Saints, & Muslim Sufis displaying high level cultivation powers?) Just do the work. Everything else will follow. Cheers!

Thanks for taking the time to do this. No, this is fine. As long as people can see it. Thanks again dawei! Cheers!

Folks, If you're able to, PLEASE purchase the book from William Bodri's site, please. We need to compensate people delivering actual knowledge, when able, not take it. I'm going to make this quick: One: I was making a general statement about unity between the people of the world, not Mahayana Buddhism. Two: No Samadhi is Lasting. Even If we live in a upper desire realm heaven for millions of years, it eventually ends. No Thing lasts forever, not even in heaven. Three: You Insulted Nan Huai-Chin, one of the greatest spiritual adepts of the 20th century. Just In case some folks here aren't aware, just because you're enlightened, doesn't mean you've gotten rid of old habits, and conditioned behavior patterns. All of the ancient texts, including Taoist Yoga, discuss this at the end, although most of them don't go into detail about it. They just say "now you must go into seclusion, to rid yourself of the habit energies". Is smoking a bad habit? Yes. Does it negate Master Nan's many accomplishments? No, It doesn't. To paraphrase the 40th Hexagram of the I Ching, you need to deliver yourself first, before commenting on the supposed shortcomings of acknowledged masters (acknowledged by 3 traditions, as you yourself commented on, back in August of 2008, on this very forum. How soon we forget. ) Four: Master Nan and Bodri talk about the big left toe, in two instances. One, as part of the White Skeleton meditation. And two, as an indicator of the movement of wind Qi (Liver1 is on the big toe. Liver corresponds to Wind, and wood, depending on context). Five: Left brain Hemisphere corresponds to time (temporal), Right brain hemisphere corresponds to space (Spatial). When you meditate (medi/middle), you obliterate time, and space. This is why you have time displacement when you meditate (thinking you meditated for an hour, when it was only 10 minutes). Time has nothing to do with the "right side" of the brain. Time is left side . Yin and Yang Qi build up in the bodies at the same time. You can't separate them (remember the Yin-Yang symbol?) The alchemical sequence isn't nearly as linear as some people make it out to be.The channels open according to your situation (physical, mental, and spiritual condition of the bodies). Folks, please research what I said, when you have time. All the data you need on the Shen, and how it actually works, can be found in books by: Charles Luk (Luk Quan Yu) Eve Wong (Compare with Charles Luk. Their writings are two sides of the same original source material, and school) Nan Huai-Chin William Bodri You can also find very practical information on the Shen, on SonoftheGod's lonemanpai.com site. Research, apply, practice, replicate. Ignore opinions, heresay, and beliefs. They're worthless. Cheers!

Hi MooNiNite, It's not a metaphor. It happens once all the dantiens (Lower, Middle, & Upper) come online. It's along the lines of what happens with the appearance of "The Mysterious Gate". I saw the "Mysterious Gate" when my lower dantien was fully online, and middle, and upper dantiens were coming online. You see points of light that look like stars, and points of light first. Then the mysterious gate shows up, first in your peripheral vision, then in front of you. First time It happened, it was like "WTF was THAT!?" LOL! Then I remembered what was said In Taoist Yoga, read the passage on it again, and was like "Huh..Mysterious Gate". LOL! The falling snow landmark was like that...x11. Instead of just a few points of light here, and there, It's a BUNCH of them, coming down in front of your eyes. Kind of like white noise on an old style TV set, but moving slower, and In the air in 3D. You'll see the sequence happen a number of times, If you lose jing during your practice. DON'T freak out, if you do. Folks get fairly neurotic about these things (I did, when I was younger, so I understand. But you'll do your vehicle more harm, than good fretting over it). And for goodness sakes, DON'T attempt to stop, or reverse an ejaculation. You'll cause injury to your urinary tract, over time. Except for the first 100 days, just moderate your jing loss to twice a month, if you're in your 20s to 30s, once a month, in your 40s to 50s, every 3 to 4 months to ideally never, beyond your 60s. It just takes longer to go through the transformations, If you're constantly leaking. That's all. Nan Huai-Chin likened It to climbing up a ladder, then sliding down a couple of rungs, again and again. you're not going to make much progress. Don't get too wrapped up In the details. Trust me, it'll happen, as long as you're doing 1 to 2 hours of emptiness meditation daily (just focus on the breath: anapana) Just follow what Master Nan says below: Make sure you have subtitles on. For more breathing mechanics details, check out various posts from joeblast. I hoped this helped. Cheers!

I forgot to add. Measuring Meditation is available on William Bodri's meditationexpert.com site. I believe it's still $100. The thing is HUGE! You'll be reading it for weeks. He's also got over 1500 pages of articles on the site for free, and PDF downloads of different aspects of cultivation. Check It out. you won't regret It. Cheers!

Another great one of his. I really love how he shows how the core process is the same, across various traditions. I'm always about what brings us together, versus what separates us. Great recommendation! Cheers!

It IS. He shows how the 12 labors of Hercules have the Gongfu physical transformations encoded In them. Fantastic stuff. Get it, If you can. Cheers!

I'm actually reading William Bodri's "What Is Enlightement?", now. http://www.amazon.com/What-Enlightenment-William-Bodri/dp/0972190740/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1437236767&sr=1-4&keywords=william+bodri&pebp=1437236769537&perid=0HGZAD7HJV5EP93XV6XR He's Intentionally repetitive, which I can understand. When you teach people, you have to drill the fundamentals In, over, and over again, sometimes for years. But there's nothing better than when you see someone grasp a concept, apply it, and now have direct knowledge of it. This is a great book, because you can see the process play out, over various cultures, and systems. So you now know that no one has an exclusive on this knowledge. It's available for all who do the work. Cheers!

You speak major truth there, my friend. The man has a treasure trove of actual knowledge, that you can apply, and test yourself. He really took to heart Master Nan Huai-Chin's teachings. You can see it. Cheers!

I apologize for the bad formatting In the transformations sequences outline above. I don't know what going on. It looks fine, until I post It. It should still be readable. I hope it helps folks. Cheers!