quantumdragon

I cannot agree with you more freedomrose. Sun Bu"er is a wonderful teacher with great " pruning shears" for postnatal energies. As Ms. Gonet mentions in her commentary this can feel quite severe. I welcome the severity. When I feel the feeling of "severity" I know my ego has identified with something that is not De. I thank , in great gratitude, any and all guidance from the Immortal Sister leading me to understand, realize what an act of love disciplining a student is. I have had some "severe suggestions" and great support for transformations regarding my participation in the old Pengali Thread. There it is for everyone to see , my post natal state. What joy to be exposed in order to learn, have realizations and insights to bring into my practice purifying the Organ systems. .

Your post is why I love being on the Daobums forum. I get to have someone explain in detail all the science stuff that I need to know for my classes and to satisfy my intellectual curiosity but am too busy to do more research beyond class requirements. Me you say? I am about simple in my practices My scientific method is studying my practice energy flows . I devoted months to stabilizing the xuan state so I could enter and exit at will. Once the gate of Xuan is free to pass then the void is not far, nothing is far everything become so close and spontaneous. I am focused by something already there. I suspend all though and use my mind to take cross section snap shots to quickly store and forget in the moment. Then after practice I examine. Then to figure out what all those stored snapshot mean. And then what happens you say? Then I get an email from daobum where someone has explained what I wanted to know. I LOVE this forum ! Thank you for you brilliant words/mind and time in researching.

I am speechless.That is so brilliant. I am going to need to study what you have written.

Thank you gracious Daeluin for creating this space. I am posting from my person experience practice results from training I received for Taming the Dragon what is traditionally called Dragon Tiger Mating. I enter the state of Xian then pass through the gate of Xuan to the Void. As I become more and more relaxed a primary circulations takes over. My mind is empty, my intuition stopped. No thought of any kind. Body sensation with Authentic Spirit leading a spontaneous movement. From the top of my head to the tips of my toes the energy coming in is hot, heavy ( very , very heavy)and descending and contracting. My whole body contracts from the outside moving inward in what feels like a multidimensional spiraling motion. The belt meridian then contracts to the point that my navel touches my life gate curling my body somewhat forward. Simultaneously my chin connects to my big toes and beings moving backward and forward kneading the qi like bread or like rocking a baby in a cradle. This movement of the head connected to the earth and the feet enhances the energy between the lower dantien, the jade pillow area , the front of the forehead and the sacrum. My arms may move with the hand, wrist and elbow positions changing to direct the qi. Then the pelvic floor opens , the earth gate expands to encompass all below. My knees bend up and down kneading the energy more purifying. I stand with this flow of energy until it naturally shift. When it returns from the earth it travels in multidimensional spirals up the inside of my legs but it feels like there are no legs only a tunnel straight up the center of my body in front of the spine out the of of my head into eternity. This energy feels light and cooler but still warm. While this circulation is occurring the energy in the sacrum becomes very hot and starts pumping qi up the du meridian and down the ren. The lower dantien then begins to spin like a gyroscope condensing. The pumping action of the sacrum then spreads through my entire body and acupuncture points all over my body begin to heat or cool synchronizing with the pumping feeling at the sacrum and lower dantein then connect with stars. The colors on my mind screen vary sometimes a Mandela of crimson with swirling gold sometimes a beautiful Caribbean sea blue with gold swirling, other times a static solid white yields to a dark black with white chevrons speckled through. Depending on the organ system(s) being upgraded. The qi is so strong and palatable I often wonder if my legs are strong enough to hold the weight. The strength of it feels like my body might break. But then it all changes and become elastic . The sacrum is more static and the qi is less centralized, it comes and goes rippling through my muscles and tendons , soaking into the bones. I know the bathing has completed. The final phase is cold. Cold being misted out of my body for hours. Ice cold in the midday sun, in the heat of summer. Cold moving out from the center of my very being returning to the earth. .

You are welcome great might healer . Please continue to offer more of your energy in any form. Especially your insightful "advanced circulations" so good. So wise. Cannot get enough of OD healing energy. I love to circulate any thing gifted in the triple circulation method. Everything there becomes gold. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum.

Oh please do not get banned we need your healing energy. It feels so good everything you say. LIke candies for babies. Thank you great healer opendao. I Love your soothing self. Please be kind to an old lady heal more.

I feel opendoa is kind to give us all his energy. He is a great healer. Every comment give qi to others. the secret is it does not matter how he feels or what he send to u, he is a great healer, If we know our practice ... before blood in the void all can be converted to original qi. Thank you great healer opendao.

Stay tuned we may have something good soon. I hope if not here another forum. The work will find it true and appreciated home. It is Universal Energy Governing the Rise of the Great Yin on the Cosmic clock. As the Yijing counts the years and season of yin and yang rising the earth and humanity are mirroring 2500 BCE. Yang is declining and yielding in the cosmos nothing humans can do to stop this. A few peoples effort will not matter in the grand scheme of things. In terms of timing effort it is good to be in harmony with how the " season " of the procession of the equinox is going. Even right now Yang in a year is declining Yin is rising. Soon the wondrous Midnight in a year comes. I can only do my best with harmonising with Universal Energies.

I have heard you accuse several times about promoting something...really OD //this from you who promotes your school with every post?! I find you so funny. What on earth would any of us on this forum who have read Ms. Gonet's translation of the title of this thread have to gain financially or in any other way.

I am working with many men and women committed to having Sun Bu er's work made available to the public. We have some lovely , honoring things in store for the new safe place Sun Bu er's benefactors on Dao Bums have graciously given her. We are all blessed by the Benevolence shown by Dao Bums moderators and creators. In my mind they show true DE. As for OD, the world is full of all sorts of people living out their destiny. He has no effect on me no matter what he says or does. I have found, as Sun Bu er Poem 1 lines 5 and 6 from the title of this forum thread, through my training, a safe home for my spirit. During the silly dust up with OD, this image came into my mind screen. He Xiangu know how to rid an area of flies ; )

Are you really still talking about your hurt feelings? EMO much? Goodness Child you are sensitive boy. Let us move on. I do not have hurt feeling over all you have said about me. You are still hurling insults at me. We are our beloved moderators when men do this??? Have you read the book that is the Title of the this thread? Have you commented yet on your personal experience of the training described in the book? Hint it is not just for women...SURPRISE! I would love to hear your commentary on your own personal experiences practicing the exercises outline in the poem Taming the Dragon. If you need help decoding these I will help you. They are a poetic version of your beloved scripture.

I speak from my experience here. I agree we all need to follow the rule of polite society when dealing in the "other worlds" . We all have heightened abilities from our practices. I do not randomly scan other people. I am paid handsomely for this task in my work life.Why would I want to read people for free? Really do any of you come home at night or on the weekends and just for fun work? The only reason this topic was mention was a violation of the laws. It is not appropriate ever to energy someone's private space without permission. From all the energy coming in here at my house I feel we are doing something worthwhile here. In y training we have many classes in Ethics because we have greater power and awareness than ordinary people. And without being at the height of awareness ( something I am not all the time) we can and do invade other people's boundaries. I am sorry if I hurt someone's feelings. I do go on auto protect when there are so many men the BJJ power just kick into gear to fuel everything. I forget sometimes I am not one of the guys so I cannot get away with the for fun tussles you fellow seem to have in good fun. When I do it it is not fun for you and it really is not joyous for me. Even though my auto protect mode was on today it was modulated by trees who are close friends and allies of all humans they would not let me actually hurt anyone physically or emotionally scar. Well good night Gentlemen and Ladies.

I will share my experience of the last few days from the perspective of my training. I do not attack. My body has been trained for automatic protection there is no defensive stance . There are several choices in the offensive stance, transform the energy, compost it or send it back or since it is incoming I may take the energy and fuel my body with it since it is a gift. My training has been intensive training purifying .activating and energising the organ systems, the extraordinary meridians and other cauldrons, gates, tripods and circulations for Internal Alchemy. As mentioned in Sun Bu er poem 3 page 36 Riding the Phoenix to Pengali translated by Jill Gonet Practicing Hold back the breathing and concentrate the mind on the place where the Qi appears in the East. Then , thought are ten thousand unattached threads, and the one Qi returns to the platform. and then Yang light - like a seedling planted in the ground. From mountain top and ocean bottom one hears thunder after the rain. This is not just poetry it is a highly technical document packed with training codes. As I have said part of my training is to learn to identify Yin Phenomenon inside myself and in others. Yin phenomenon come first , and easily. My body knows before my intuition or my intellectual mind what is incoming. Especially on alert while posting on this forum. There are specific circulations having to do with an cleaned up spleen, and open alert third eye, and a female curious organ deeply grounded in both heaven and earth that boots up the extraordinary meridians and a defense system that help me get through life being very sensitive. I set my intent today not to transform or compost but to return to sender. Granted it was an experiment. I just did not feel like doing a group healing transforming, or composting there are too many of you boys and you are not my clients. I had so much help today from my mentors. Alone I could not have done these series of postings. Thank you Grandmother Mu <3 I am still posting under the theme of this thread everything I have said is from the book. I understand the rules of this forum better now. I will not tell you when I send your energy back when you attack me. I will not describe what I see in your energy body unless you violate my sacred space and come to me without permission... then all is fair in ..well you know the rest.

I am interested in your experiences. You and I seem to be the only females willing to express ourselves on this forum thread. My other female skilled internal alchemist practitioner friends reviewing this post are to bored with how this is going to even bother to participate. I do not see you are in attack mode. I have worked with men all my life. I was the only female in the State in which I live to be the "boss", owner of a business in the field I was in. All my colleagues were men all 100 or so of my employees were men. I have learned men have fun dusting it up. It is a way the bond. They disc" each other in playful and sometimes not so playful ways. Then they go have a beer and joke it up about whose technique is the best, who won the day and so on. I have observed it is not personal usually. For them this is fun. I do not find it fun. But to work in my field I had to learn to play their game. I have also learned that when I play I must not fully exert myself or someone's feelings will get hurt because I am only pretend on of the guys. As we have witnessed in the post reacting to my voice I will be lectured about how I am supposed to be, what I am supposed to thing=k and how I am supposed to act.....in detail. We women do similar types of activity but not so overtly. it is my opinion the Yang within Yin in our culture is personified by the Goddess Pallus Athena, the modern day western professional woman. I also was arm candy, trophy wife for my husband Political life as personified by Aphrodite In my generation embodied by Madonna or Angelina Jolie. These goddesses and real women have something in common. They are not real authentic women embodying true Yin. They are projections of Postnatal Western Male ideation of what safe Yin is. Athena is safe because the aegeus the shield on her breast plate is the head of the slain medusa. What is medusa? The raw power of the curious Organ only females of our species have. Aphrodite seems safe because she is available costumed aspect of the same curious organ. The Womb and the Tomb. What is your experience? I cannot speak for all women. This is just my view for what it is worth.

Leading someone's energy when they are attacking you is unyielding offensive movement- silk reeling. It is not an attack per say as much as it is gathering the energy of someone attacking you and sending their own energy back to them in a continuous stream without your won emotional content fueling the return. . The skill is not who is stronger but who has done enough work to have emptiness where the attackers energy is so that when it is sent back the original sender has the choice to react emotionally or stay in their center unaffected. This is the skill of an internal martial artist whether the energy is internal or external the stance is the same. Detached observation and commentary is a practice of internal arts. What another does when their own energy is returned? That is up to them.

I agree this posting degenerated. It started out with one woman's question. Has anyone read Riding the Phoenix to Pengali Poetry of Sun Bu-er translated by Jill Gonet? The first post after that by man who had not red the book started the whole tone of the remaining post. I and others like me, who have read the book, posted sincere authentic experiences from our personal practice only to be attached in an attempt drown out, by self professed male Taoist " adepts" copy /pasting extolling their De , not having read the book at all, willst with all their might trying to silence the female voice in men and women posting in authenticity. Most importantly of all the Voice of Adept Sun Bu -er! Others gave up but I stayed here , until now, to see if it was possible in certain kinds of male energy to get anything authentic about their understanding of Sun Bu er's work. I did receive , I believe, the best of this male frequencies understanding. I thank you all for sharing the truth of yourselves. I leave you fellows with one last observation. I , a retired woman, mother of 7, grandmother of 3, 120 lbs. with words alone lead Opendao's energy, a self proclaimed mighty warrior, into an uncentered flailing frenzy leaking Yuan Qi by the buckets. If I were truly evil I would "steal" his energy instead of just lead his energy. I have not done this act of stealing. I do not need to. I create new Qi, Essence, Refined Jing everyday in my practice. I find it further interesting when a man's energy is lead by a woman in a strong unyielding offense, its called a foul. But from the beginning of this post the female voices on this thread were attached and maligned and what.....nothing said about such a dishonorable state? Bye boys I leave you to your playground. Enjoy! For those interested who have read the book or wish to discuss the Poetry of Adept Sun Bu-er here is a link to a moderated thread on the same subject this thread was originally titled. http://thedaobums.com/topic/39151-riding-the-phoenix-to-penglai-poems-of-sun-bu-er/

This is an experiment for me. I want to see how long my detached observations about you will keep you leaking vital qi. I do not ask you to be in a frenzy, swinging wildly at the wind. I just watch you under the microscope seeing if you will react or hold your center. So far all emotion no de.

I must say I too found it an interesting ingress route to my home as well. Maybe Large Intestine is how OD prefers to travel reversing " the course". Who knows. He certainly does have a toilet mouth ,so to speak ,in a fashion it make sense his cultivation circulation is from external opening of Large Intestine to Mouth.

My goodness, Opendao shows his postnatal state as a six year old schoolyard bully reduced in frustration to name calling and cursing. I imagine if this were real life on the playground he would pull some girls pigtails to make them cry. Well we here are not in the least uncenter or intimidated by you OD. And as for you great intuitive leap..... the MALE you just addressed as Darling I have met in my travels studying Taoism. Xuanming is a male definately no doubts there. I assure you now with my regular eyes he is not Ms. Gonet. I have never met Ms. Gonet. I have seen a picture of her in one of her many publications. Jill Gonet is definitely a woman. Boooo! Yin Ghost we are not afraid of you.

Oh my you are a refreshing voice on this thread. You feel like a refreshing wind. Unfortunately, I am certain the creature in my living room was Opendao.This type of identification is as easy as determining if I am looking at a fly or a bee. It is not the first time members of his school have come to scan me. My first contact with the "mother school" in Russia was about 2.5 years ago. I awakened in the middle of the night to two men scanning me. Their technique was a bit more sophisticated than Opendao's unformed method of travel. This was more military style Remote viewing in which a tasker, or controler send a viewer to a specific ingress locations and the two markdown, so to speak, the target for a download of information. In this instance they were seeking detail about the school I attend. When I looked at them and began to download their information they exited very quickly. Opendao has the most primitive i execution of the bunch. "lack of virtuous comportment odd for one as educated in these arts as he appears( I would remove appears to be and say what he boast) to be" I do not claim I know everything about this unseen world how could I see all that exist in eternity? . I have considerable practice recognizing energy signatures. I have trained professionals, Forensic Accountants , Chiropractors, Law Enforcement etc. to use this very natural ability. I would agree this debate over which method is the right method is really quite silly.I seems contrary to authentic teaching which tells us to be beyond success or failure. Instead of copy paste scriptures and beat each other up about copy pasted theoretical knowledge/ info why not cooperate and collaborate. Share personal experience...you know actual result in a first person authentic voice? Be vulnerable show your truth. How else can we learn how to learn. I was not born a scripture in some book. I really do not read much. I go to class I receive the teaching/ transmission then I practice. for me this is the real education what I learn in practice and how it changes me to be in harmony with natural law. I too have a long way to go. I am no adept just a student on the delightful path. Good to meet such a refreshing breath as you.

I see. You are not trained to do what you did.And you are not conscious of your activities when you do these things. That makes much more sense. I could not imagine anyone with the skill set you claim to have would purposely travel in such a vulnerable state. I am new to your symbolic language. I was using the term ghost to describe the phenomenon I experience when I see a particular conditions in someone's energetic anatomy. I do not call this kind of activity astral travel per say. Often ordinary people with no training at all can do this unconsciously with great risk to themselves. I hope you learn to keep youself safe at home in your body. Sun Bu-er Poem 1 Recalling the Mind line 5 and 6. -the Master key is holding the mind within. Relax the Mind in the spirit's home, a void the size of a half grain of millet, and reside spontaneously there in warmth. Do you know where your mind is? No. It was here in my home and you did not know it. The first step in having sufficient fire for more advanced practice is recalling the Mind's fire. and to stay in the Spirit's home. Do you know the physical/ energetic anatomic location of your spirit's home in your body? Clue...it is the first earth gate beginning transformational location in the Yellow Lady area before the "clay pot" about 4 cun above the clay pot and 5 cun below Ren 17. This gate is not open or energetically available to your conscious mind and has not been trained by your school. How is it this is true? Qi alone strong or weak has no real bearing on the firing process. You do have some Qi and unrefined Jing. Your shen is not happy as it does not have a safe home. Make a home for the One Qi. Then you will not be so hysterical or afraid.

Do not mistake my assessment of Opendoa's energetic anatomy. with your body memory( postnatal stored emotions) of another event not remotely related to my experience. I do not fear Opendao in the least. He came to me. In the best "psychic form" he could muster. I was born with what many call " psychic capacities" . I personally do not use this term because it implies special ability which the natural human does not posses My experience is all humans have this as part of their organ system of perception. I have trained Ordinary humans how to open this Aperture before I began Eastern Internal Alchemy. I have spent many decades refining this natural human capacity. Including but not limited to how to view my internal organs, what is called by western science sub atomic structure and the vast reaches of what we all agree with our ordinary eyes as the Universe. In Eastern Internal Alchemy I have learned to use this natural aspect of the human design to direct a variety of firings , circulations, etc. It is a wonderful tool, just as is the intellectual mind but it is just another tool nothing more or less wonderous than the Liver or the Small Intestine for example.

I cannot read Chinese : ( For some reason your links are not working so I cannot read what you are referring to. I realize you are frustrated somewhat by what Opendao has said is a lack of result in your experience during practice attempting to simulate female orgasm and inseminating yourself with sperm to bladder. I do not know anything about male practices and the great wisdom that exist in male Phallus or External . I have heard from advanced practitioners whose double I have personally seen and talked to that there is drawing up the external Kidneys of the male inside the body. I have no personal knowledge of what this is for. I assume it is to bring the seed bearing organ in closer to the dan anatomy of the male practitioner as part of simulating birthing capacity. But I could be WAY off on this. I only speak from my personal experience. I cannot say the steps of how an male accomplishes what has been done before him by many accomplished male masters. I also would never use my other eyes to spy on a males practice. Only when they violate the Laws and show themselves to me do I see what they offer. In Opendao's case I am left to my personal experience. The advanced practitioner with whom I have had many conversations , Companion was perfectly formed. It looked just like the real living man. The Adept Sun Bu-er describes this in Poem 13. Outside the body one see another, duplicate, body, not produced by magic or sleight - of - hand. The spiritual Qi is so flexible and accomodating, vividly alive, one primary spirit. The bright moon solidifies the gold liquid, the blue lotus refines the genuine jade. partial poem page 81 Riding the Phoenix to Pengali. Does this sound dark, murky or mysterious? No.