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Xuanming I would like to offer an energetic assessment of Opendao. He has made many claims about his training. I cannot verify the authenticity of the Linage that instruct him or better his relationship with and his understanding of the Great Patriarch's Teachings. As alway I must speak from my person experience. Yesterday after my post from the female perspective Opendao takes the inappropriate out of harmony liberty of attempting to come to my home in this world and penetrate my energetic/physical body to check out this secret I discussed. I felt his intention was from a unrefined reproductive energy which means to me that no Opendao has not begun the beginning steps of firing , purifying or bathing. He is operating from conditioning at an extremely primitive instinctual level. I intend no disrespect to Opendao. I make the assumption since he came to me he wanted my assistance and put himself in full view of my other sight beyond the human eyes. What I saw was very interesting. First I thought his choice of entrance into my home was odd. Why would a spirit being come in through the toilet plumbing? Why not just click on me show sefl to my mind screen and ask for a talk? Toilet very poor choice of coming into house for a spirit , this show much about how opendao does not understand the difference between what is waste and what is pure. The next thing I observed was the color of Opendao's energy body. It has many black holes, it is grey to dark grey with no white at all or any other colors. This tells me he has not activated any of his organ systems at all. These organ system when activated by flying sparks have regular predictable mandela's or signatures in color. No authentic flying sparks practice has been accomplished by Opendao. The next thing I noticed was no shape at all to the energy body more like an ill formed head with a blob attached. So sad no eyes, nose mouth. or any other body part. So no opendao has not even started any work at all with authentic qi. No tripods, no clay oven, no Heart of Heaven no real energetic anatomy at all. I have not seen this form before so I can only guess this is a Yin Ghost with no exposure to the Yang light, no quickening has taken place, no birth of the companion just undifferentiated Ghost. From his appearance only post heaven is ruling his body. He has attained small amounts of power , little black magic spells with the intent of exercising power but these are not authentic / prenatal energies. The Original Authentic Self has no need for parlor tricks.

The blueprint or matrix to all that has been written is available by means not described on this page. Do we all agree our Organs contain all the physical DNA and spiritual DNA ( so to speak) we need as humans to "Complete" ourselves? The extraordinary Yin Organ of the female which no male possesses, knows how to harmonise with the Dao, she knows by her innate nature how to create a body for the Original Spirit. She houses the Original Spirit in its prenatal state while the body is naturally constructed. Inside the curious organ of the female reproductive system is always the prenatal energies/intelligence/ information. Do you believe is is difficult to reverse engineer the path from body to spirit and back to the Tao by entering the Mind of this organ , in essence penetrating oneself by surrendering to what is already right there inside of we women? I am not saying we women do not have our work to do to purify, polish, fire, bath etc. I am not boasting here either. I am saying what has not been said out loud in a very long time. Something that needs to have a voice in all of this technique, and science. Look at the images of sages with distended abdomens mimicking pregnancy. What do those images tell you? Oh, and opendao please before you come tubing into my living room again seeking this secret please amplify your "DE" of respect and honor, general manners of this world. You were gently escorted out this time. If you need further instructions on who you will meet next time please see Riding the Phoenix to Pengali , page 46, line 6 of the poem.

Thank you so much for this brilliant outline. I have been pondering how to write about my practice answering with words used on this forum. I did not experience the transformations in a linear fashion. My training followed a scientific set standard of formulary practice but my experience early on began weaving elements of the steps much more like how art creates itself all at once. Then the artist subtracts , adds etc so the art may live. An example of this would be the elusive Golden Flower. As soon as I heard that phrase I WANTED THAT RIGHT NOW! So we see my reproductive system in postnatal consciousness conditioned by Western commercialism decided this was something to go get and possess this blinded me to what it actually was. Ironically in retrospect , I do not even remember why I wanted this Golden Flower( concept) other than everyone else seemed to desire it why shouldn't I have this too. Then I became more focused in practicing, I learned to suspend thinking, withdraw my energy from external projections, I released a need to know or label my experiences. With the help of my teachers I learned to harvest my ego ( it is still around ) for fueling firings. I do not know where I am in this process for me it is both somewhat linear and outside of time simultaneously.Where is quantum dragon on the map of evolutionary consciousness......I cannot say. I am at the beginning still recalling the mind and also flying/ riding. I use the term riding to describe how my practice has changed recently where I suspend my conscious mind, ener deep into the Xuan state and the Void where my original spirit practices my body. It feels like riding or flying in that there in that place I cannot point out on a map is the energetic scaffolding just right for me, in this body at this time and in the no-time. I release the need to control or possess anything at all and without effort my body rides/floats or flies according to the wisdom that is mind but not my conscious mind. My conscious mind's job is to observe the wonder of this extraordinary limitless wisdom and later , if necessary, put together some words to impart the concept of the experience. The joke / trick played on my conscious mind/ postnatal ego conditioned state was from my very first practice the Golden Flower was there showing itself in many different ways. Much like hide and seek with a child it playfully taught me to learn how to learn to surrender to the unborn mother of all.

Is the consensus then, ( from Pengali page 5 and 6) we have made our way out the the " belly" of this particular whale? Now we can move onto a discussion of Pg. 55 Fire. How to regulate, with persevering perception of the ancestral knowing, the spiritual pivot? Is this what you had in mind Stone to Jade?

Here are the rule to have owner controls on a forum thread http://thedaobums.com/topic/37997-how-to-request-owner-permissions/

Let us start over with our own conversation. Those of us who have read the book just start with your topic. Maybe that would provide an interesting contrast to wild speculation etc. There are many reading this thread that have not posted. I think the Troll has been silenced by Xuanming and others. If not it is easy enough to ingnore his posts. As "junior bums" we cannot start a forum topic and have owner controls for six months and or 200 posts. Anyone game for starting fresh here?

Hi Jade I think there is a way to start a new thread and make it private. I am not sure how. I have noticed many threads are private. The person starting the thread has to gibe permission for the other posters to be allowed to post. I am in favor of this though I am not so good at translating Ms. Gonets fantastic work into anything other than my experience in practice. I am game. Let see if we can figure out how to do this.

Hi Hobo,Hey I missed the banter this weekend. It is fun watching you play the villain. Both you and I know that is not all of who you are. I feel you are perhaps aware many of us posting on this forum thread are aware of your methodology, I have seen this method deployed in class many times. The olden days term is " stealing" qi. I have noticed you are smart enough to not try to steal qi from Master Xuanming. If Xuanming is anything like the authentic teachers I know that would be a great disaster for you... but you already know that. What you do not know is when you attempt to energetically merge with some posters on this forum practitioners/ students/ teachers of more advanced training they are gifted a full reading of your energetic anatomy. I now know what happened to you when you were very young involving a older man that has created this monster of an adaptive complex. I know you understand Jungian terminology.You have enter the first stage of the Magnum Opus but you are stuck there. The frozen mid day Sun blackening the earth : the the first Nigerdo- Yang earth with the added quality of drought and an endless heat of the sun or Apollo's eye( the intellectual mind) frozen by trauma , engulfed by the unconscious to the degree the individual is trapped in the prison or the Lion's mouth . I have modified a quote to from a western alchemist to fit my amature reading of what I experienced in your presence when you came in for a "taste " of quantum dragon. "The Black Sun denotes a very harsh and negative fate; a period when post natal consciousness must be diminished so that the prenatal consciousness has a chance to intervene and make itself felt. The latter happens when the conscious position is dead and needs external intervention by the addition of new material and affect from a deeper layer. This is usually felt as a depression or experienced in a disease or bodily issue of some kind. Consciousness can be so diminished that it becomes a dangerous time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigredo I feel you may have been written off as a trifling parasite by most of the advanced practitioners on the forum post. .

Xuanming, Thank you so much for your precious time teaching all of us on this forum. I thought at first you were a great master, that has been doubly confirmed by my experience reading the summary you posted. I did not know a living true teacher could emanate transmission through their writings on a website. I would like to share my experience of your teaching through this method of transmission. This morning before my practice I read all of the tread of this post on Riding the Phoenix to Pengali. This time I read from Receptivity instead of being immersed in the activity of thinking and posting from my passive reactive body memories. As I read your words I saw the Mastery you embody the pure gift of bringing coherence to all participating in this discussion. My passive reactive state was feeling kind of sorry for Taoist Text because he cannot soften himself to Receive what is Authentic. Then the question came to my mind, quantum dragon what if YOU are projecting your own weakness in your cultivation on to Taoist Texts? Instantly the defensive passive reactive part of me said no , no way am I like that. Then I read Xuanming's writings. I felt all sorts of energy activations being to occur in my body. I quickly went to where I practice and began a circulation my Teacher Taught us this weekend. Suddenly rising up into my mind screen like a list I saw myself in movie after movie acting from arrogance , pride , disrespect, laziness and much more. I came back after practice so happy Xuanming is here with us on this web forum. I cannot express my gratitude for the blessing of being able to do this work. It never cease to be an astounding miracle to me that I am allowed access to this work. Really what is the likelihood of a western woman being shown the Way by her own teacher AND someone who is a true Master on a web forum?!!? After practice I did not close down and seal my practice so I could absorb whatever I could from Xaunmings transmission. I finished reading then as often happens I needed to sleep for a few hours to gain access to another level of the teachings. Again I reiterate I am so profoundly grateful for those who teach us where ever we find them. Thank You Hobo for embodying the corruption of Virtue with such clarity it is impossible not to question one's self to see where this type of obstruction is keeping me from the truth of my intention. I have seen how I deceive myself with clever stories about trauma in my life that changed my body chemistry to attract even more of the same type of behavior and my same reaction to the phenomenon. I have been gifted the great treasure of authentic teaching. Now the joyous work begins. It is harvest time in my internal garden. Time to look at the fruits of my practice, the results in my life and harmonise with ruthless compassion composting, transforming and changing my destiny from arrogant, cunning victim justifying poor quality of life to receptive humble student of the Tao working with greater skill and precision making a quantum change. Xuanming who ever you are your time spent here will not be wasted by me.Your transmission has giving me a laudry list of practices to do , attitudes to adjust and much more. THANK YOU GREAT TEACHER!

It is a good guess what ever eh?

Me too Hobo. Let us hope Xuanming enlightens us. : )

My sense is my Teacher has transmitted this mystery to me but I have not been able to make it conscious . I still have many more practices to do before I reach this level of master where the Jade purity has a stable home for the mysterious secret. Not knowing something yet being aware something I have not experienced good for a student, it keeps my ego getting to big the creating obstacles. to actually decode this poem I would have to know the exact circulations with mudras alluded to and then practice circulations. Ironically I have more than have the practice forms in my material from Golden Flower class my deep lacking is how to take these symbols and find which practices. I may have to get back to this research next week. I am in a class this weekend designed to cleanse then strengthen certain organ systems. These classes are very intense. by the way I wanted to let you know in our school we do not practice external martial arts. Ours is for healing and upgrading to Virtues with great health and vitality.

Hi Thank you for your support of my practices. It is easier for me to talk about my actual experiences rather than try to learn a new symbolic language overnight and be articulate in using it. . I am honor by you high opinion. That was a year ago. I have not felt the golden being as strongly or the same since. Now it is more like the practice I first wrote to you about. I am in awe of your brilliant mind. I wish I could translate poetry. The mundane part of my existence is writing.you see I am so severly dyslexic it takes hours for me to write a small amount. Hey I read this exchange about you and I translating the poem what does it say? I tried google translate is said something about detours???? Quote Walker 03 August 07:42 PM Said Yikes. Here's something for your Google Translate software: 走弯路. 道在苦修妙在傳 須拜明師點玄關 明師苦心领进门 弟子修行在个人 道在苦修与妙悟 莫入迷津走弯路

I am with you Hobo. I feel like I am dead ending on this. Actually I never really got off the ground on this poem. I understand the circulations described reversing the flow from postnatal to prenatal. The times of the living baby in a day, year and hours cycle. I use the secret gate as a platform with another secret cauldron for firing under the Pengali Platform. I also feel there is a great deal to be said about the East and in the woman the Curious organ of the Uterus. You know how a man needs to make an energetic womb like structure to birth the Original Spirit. .I am clocked out on the mystery of the last two lines. .

Thank you Xuanming your stabilizing energy is so welcome here. You have given us some clues. 1. The Receptive I feel from my practices the secret is the circulation of the light is threaded through Pengali. It has to be for the prenatal spirit to have a home. There is a secret Lair between the Pancreas and Stomach that contains the wisdom of the ancestors. But before the circulations of an advanced practice like The Secret of the Golden Flower , one must learn to recall the mind to this area of the body. So that the thieves of energy may be purified by the Virtues of the Receptive. I remember in one of my first classes my teacher ask ; Where is your mind?' I raised my hand and said proudly, it is everywhere. And I was correct. I spent most of my energy focused outside my body, the "thieves" where leading my energy. I was leaking vital life force by the gallons so to speak. Then my teacher explained how to recall the mind, for health and vitality. So the Secret begins with having a peaceful mind where I am not looking outwardly but I am magnetically drawing my attention to my inner life. I suppose that is why the advanced practice is called Internal Alchemy not External Alchemy. One of the first steps in my training was practicing enough to have a quiet mind for realizing consciously where my attention is, what leads my energy, how to stop the leaks and transform the negative emotions, attachments etc into compost for a rich soil to plant the seeds of my intentions. . . How can a seed be planted if so much is in the way, concepts, other people's thoughts, my cultures indoctrination my ancestors opinions. The soil/ earth inside my body needed to be cleaned up and nourished in the Virtues of the Receptive, , amended with the right compost, microorganisms need to proliferate etc. I am continuing to work on this everyday.

I really appreciate this authors efforts to decode the meaning of the Secret of the Golden Flower. So what I am understanding is there is somewhat of a general verbiage used to describe Internal Alchemy Practices? Is that correct? This author does not address the lesser Kan and Li circulation that is required foundational work prior to the Greater Circulation of Kan and Li. All these people are just using the same terminology with offering any evidence of their personal experience. What I am seeing in all this writing is a lack of understanding of what the secret is. Big clue from Xuanming Bold Highlighting the RECEPTIVE in the poem. I have a question. What is the Heart of Heaven? Where is it located and what is its function in the activation of the energetic Anatomy of the Human body? What element governs the Heart of Heaven. What location the Heart of Heaven in the Post Natal anatomy of the energetic body? In the circulation of the light in the Golden Flower practice, what roll does the violet lady play ? How does the violet lady affect the prenatal or unborn original spirit in the Golden Flower Practice?

HI Hobo, Now I can talk. I apologize for my hurried response earlier. I have been very busy today. All the blah blah about secret gates and hidden cauldrons is interesting enough. What is better than a good mystery eh? This is why I appreciate your use of the the word Lair and your association of it with a safe hiding place for thieves, bandits etc. but then again the Lair is could be a womb, a tomb, a cauldron. The former, a hiding place for thieves prompts a necessary recollection why there is a secret at all. Tao Teh Ching 5 The Tao is called the Great Mother: empty yet inexhaustible, it gives birth to infinite worlds. It is always present within you. You can use it any way you want. The Jade Purity, The Creatrix, The Unborn Mysterious Mother of All, progenitress of the Original Freedom is sending a secret carried by the wind to her born children. [Hobo, just for fun, here I will pause to give a name that was whispered to me by a rain drop. Queen of the Immortals, the Royal Mother of the West, whose name was Hsi Wang Mu] For a moment I will digress and tell you what was told to me in a vision. I was in a foundational training class for upgrading, transforming and purifying the thieves lairs specifically the 10 earthly branches or the paired 5 element meridian systems and related organs. On a break from the practices of the class I went outside. When suddenly I hear a voice that was not spoken direct me to go be alone and prepare to observe. It was raining that day. So I found cover under a pine tree and waited. The voice returned. She said without speaking ,by generating a "movie like vision" superimposed over external reality ; " You are a rain drop watch it fall into the puddle , see the ripple. Does this ripple end? Then I was shown in a sort of time lapse the water cycle of the whole earth, from oceans to clouds and rain, to mountains as snow melting into lakes which became rivers and returned to the sea again. Then in an isolated frame I was shown a single rain drop fall into the ocean. The the voice spoke again saying; " I am the Ocean, I am the Water, I am the Blood. I carry the Seed, I was here before the Earth and Humanity." Then I was shown another time lapse this was of the Universe. I saw the form of a translucent woman stretched across deep space- nebula were her eyes, stellar wind streams were her hair. She was dancing , at first languishing in the rhythm of the cosmic pulse then suddenly I heard, " I am purity, I am beauty, I was never born follow me and live in freedom violate me and your life will turn into a dust storm." Wow Really, I thought I had better pay attention in class! That night I went home and started practicing around 10 PM to 3 AM I did all of the Yin/Yang cleansing exercises for each of the paired organs. Several things happened during this practice. I noticed my legs felt thick and heavy, but I kept going. The I noticed My back felt like something was growing out of it hard and rounded, then at the hundred meeting points I felt something like a golden egg crack open liquid metal was dripping inside my head and down my face in tiny streams of gold like rivers pouring down in rivulets over my body. I looked with my inner eyes to see what was going on with my back and I saw a shell with chevrons ( I was too new to know about hexagrams and trigrams) so I raised my perspective where I could see my whole self from above. I be darned , I thought to myself. I am a turtle. O.K. Now I can sleep. In my western Alchemical training I was taught to embrace the vision or image and sculpt it so that I might live with it in solid form. What amazing upgrade Chinese Internal Alchemy is. In this art form we give blood to the Mysterious , we embody the Mystery by purifying and bathing in practice. What the wind whispered to me that day was the Jade Purity is already inside me, a hidden treasure waiting to be known or remembered. How elegant and delightful this feels. It is freedom to realize what I had been striving for so long is alive in my blood, bones and body , unborn in eternity and within in the ever present now. I call Her the Now and Forever Love.

I would be honor if you would detail sentence symbol for each of the two hexagrams you mention above. I use plum flower method of divination for Yijing relying on spontaneous earth events to give the hexagram. I have yet to master , well actually even come close to , extrapolating a hexagram from a sentence or a stanza in a poem. My background is in Western Alchemy , Cultural Anthropology and cross cultural synthesis of symbols. I am totally new to Chinese Cultural exposure. I have only my practices and intuition to guide me sometimes. Your assistance in learning how to read the hexagrams from this poem would be welcome water to a thirsty woman.

Ye$. Well I will wait for your return. There is nothing I can do without expert translation first.

Hi Xuanming and Taoist Texts , I think that would be totally fun. From my energy interactions with Hobo I have discovered he does a fantastic job embodying the qualities of water as well as he does the intellectual fire. Just watch the way he handles all those attacks on his person, his character , his translations etc. When they thrust he flows. Brilliant. I have a poem I was given 2 years ago near midnight in the year that might help illuminate this . r u game hobo? I do not feel Xuanming is picking a fight. I believe he is sincere in his desire to see us collaborate.Community collaboration what a perfect reflection of the Way. Here is what I have to rely on as a non Chinese speaker. I wish google could do a better job. After all they make a fortune selling our private information why not give us some decent product in return! Say what! It is gibberish or near it. Google translate: Happy tactic Yuqing left Happy tactics, Quadword breath into the air pocket; June Russia see Bai Xuefei, See also the day three shifts round Hz; Membership Sunda wind blowing water, Upstream food Kwan Tak-day return; More mysterious in a mysterious, It has no true home village.