Earl Grey

I think the main draw is being able to insult each other on the buns site, but based on the way things are going here, I don't think it will get very far since there's no reciprocal good faith argument, and I predict it will go the same as it does here historically, just with more insults and four-letter words. Short of everyone going there to talk (and people won't), this thread will just sizzle and burn out after a few jabs and futile attempts to have a conversation with a reluctant representative of the SOMADs (preferred name for western students of Mo Pai, Students of McMillan Andreas Dervenis). I do have to credit Turtles/Venus with being far more engaging in other topics though, and like his amicability as much as I did Mr. Coffee before. Too bad MegaMind ruined whatever potential good will could have developed from that with their group and the forum by taking a far more hostile approach. Alas, he was banned during the major purge, but I do hope he's doing better and probably would be less hostile without being here on the forum.

Here ya go, Venus:

The mantra Om Namo Narayanaya is what we must chant with the intentions of waking everyone up and ending all conflict, not just the main one now. Aloud, in your head, writing it down, singing it—just do it. Anyone more dedicated, please recite the Golden Light sutra. https://fpmt.org/education/teachings/sutras/golden-light-sutra/download/ If you still can’t be convinced, remember that besides the children who have died and the poor kids forced to pick up guns aren’t the only ones suffering, it’s the dogs and cats: https://twitter.com/domdyer70/status/1500028923597496320?s=21 That is all. Thank you.

Other good mantras for peace: Hung Vajra Peh - to clear the space around the universe Om Mani Padme Hum - make people more compassionate instead of seeking violence Om Tare Tuttare Ture Swaha - Same as above with extra boost like a mother rebuking and guiding children Other sutras to follow if people are actually interested.

A classic, though it will be better for predominantly the material world. The sutras and the mantras are key. Details only if people care to know.

1. flap the arms up and down twice after lowering it the first time. 2. facing forward only, do not turn your head left.

Hey Turtles—or do you prefer Donatello, Michelangelo, Raphael, or Leonardo? 😜 The politics of Jim’s death are indeed sad and the vultures benefiting from him are appalling in how they’re ripping people off for absurd amounts of money. I think this gives more context to everyone how your group would like to preserve Jim’s work as reverence for him more than just your ideological and utilitarian views. Anyway, I don’t have beef with you or your group. MegaMind, I did, but even then, I am not interested in revisiting an old argument with him. I do have to say at a glance, this is one of the more cordial discussions. Of course, it is your own decision to continue here or even on the buns (okay, that sounds kinky…). Happy weekend dude!

Yes, I'm aware of the letter to Jim. Can't say much beyond this as I do not know about the relationship with Kostas or the others as well as the one with Jim since several people I know spoke with Jim, and he was open to teaching even if they weren't approaching him to learn.

But some people believe that this LDT shit is gold, so they hawk it for ridiculous prices so everyone can develop an LDT too! I have the secret though:

Actually, in another lineage I belong to, “high” qigong styles like FP improve eyesight. This over generalization from centertime does not explain how the eyes are healed because traditionally we treat patients, not symptoms. What FP does is severely under appreciated by saying qigong in general heals the eyes… simply not true. It is specific top notch styles that do this and FP is known to be good for thousands of conditions.

What outsiders look like to the school. ^^

For the people who didn't get it: Chang welcomed outsiders, when elders found out about it, they weren't happy. Later, Chang agreed with the elders and wasn't happy with the outsiders. Now people ignore the cultural differences and values in favor of western exceptionalism/ In the words of Alice Cooper: School's out FOREVER (for outsiders).

I think both are true last I checked with my sources in Java. Thanks for elaborating.

Not to mention that he is not the only teacher, plus culturally, you may not even know a person beyond them being your teacher unless you're in the inner circle already. You have to earn your way into their trust, especially after John had disappointed the elders by bringing in several westerners and giving them as much as he did.

I repeat my point that just standing is not the same across systems. My own system has internal movement while appearing still, for example, though yes, we also have movement practices since standing is only the beginning of power and skill development.

FYI Zhan Zhuang is not practiced the same across systems. Saying it's a Yin practice alone will get people in my own lineage to think whomever says that is silly, especially doing so with definitive and absolute certainty.

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Not the same thing. Less about logic and more about your approach: if you ask for help from someone, then it doesn't make sense to you, you call him a liar. This is being ungrateful and insulting them. Anyway, he said he doesn't care, but if this is how you approach people, don't be surprised if you don't get positive results or interactions with them without reflecting on yourself. The feedback is ultimately for your own good rather than what you perceive now as an attack on you... which bizarrely ignores that your choice of words would normally be considered an attack on him for calling him a liar.

Whether or not English is your first language, would you like it if someone accused you of being a liar? Let's go over your suggestions and why you should not use these: This sounds like you're telling someone he's stupid. This is just an insult. This sounds like you're the authority and the other person is inferior to you. Except in many situations, it's not a difference of opinions, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of facts. You could just as easily have contacted the author and if you don't like the explanation given to you by Rudi, why bother asking for someone to explain to you when you reject the answer given to you? This doesn't sound like you want to know, it sounds more like you already have settled on your opinion and want someone else to confirm it for you. No, just one person insists on being louder and relies on others to echo what he says that's wrong--some people still insist that Elvis is alive, and he's hanging out with Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Andy Kaufman, and Tupac Shakur. Neither opinion or multiple truths--just some people whose reality extends as far as the tip of their nose. "It's not about what we don't know that will harm us, it's whatever we think is true that just isn't so that will." - Mark Twain

FYI accusing someone of lying to you when he’s given time to explain to you is an easy way for most people to lose interest in helping you understand.

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It’s pretty bad Liuhebafa too.

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https://forum.alchemical.garden/threads/44/

It can get very deep and make some feel sore because these discussions are very long and hard due to how much they penetrate those parts we don’t know within all…and yet everyone secretly loves it. 😃