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It's dangerous (supposedly; pushed pretty hard without problems for now) because it's the most powerful. First time I did the orbit for 15-20 minutes (Chunyi Lin style) I went to sleep, woke up, and felt a thunderous energy running up along my back with an great internal hissing sound at the base of the neck. Still took quite a while for the physiological changes to follow... Tons of energy are required for that it seems. Still regret it I didn't do it for 2 hours the first time, just to feel the energy surge even better (was gone after the 2nd or third time). But that's the real deal right there. Everyone will know immediately that it works and that's what most people need. Other forms of qigong, with the exception of Zhan Zhuang, don't cut it for me. I don't notice anything at all and in fact, nobody can even scientifically show what it is exactly that they are supposed to do. It's elderly gymnastics in many cases. Not saying they don't work, but I want fire, explosives... we're all adults here; no need for holding hands. People go psychotic? Too bad... You should have paid attention to the instructions. And in most cases damage can be repaired. Should we ban cars also because people can get hurt?

Before I started to get serious about qigong I looked all over the place for personal experiences on various different methods (don't want to waste my time) - not about feeling enlightened but specifically in what cases it works for your health and when it doesn't. I didn't find a whole lot. People who were already quite healthy seem to feel better, but people who are very sick seemingly remain sick, at least for the most part. Very few people actually get breathtaking results, which seems to indicate (assuming that it does work) information is scattered and it takes a TON of perseverance and experimentation to get to the real results. What is clear is that the people with serious results, like disappearing cancers or MS, really practice two hours+ a day and get energy from a master, at least in the beginning. Chunyi Lin's reviews are very interesting, but to me by far the best book on practical qigong experiences stems from 1980 and is largely based on the work of Mantak Chia. This is before Chia even began publishing his (rather disjointed) books. The book is entitled: 1980, Lawrence Young M.D., Reports of the national clearinghouse for meditation relaxation and related therapies, volume I. http://www.universal-tao.com/archives/report_nationalclearinghouse.pdf Thank God for Wikipedia these days, but before its Mantak Chia page, this book was the only one that simply listed the nine levels taught by Chia (which he learned from his master Yi Eng of the Dragon Gate sect). So you know, the levels are: Level 0/I: Healing/Inner Smile; Healing Sounds Level I: Opening the Governor & Conception Meridians (the two main extraordinary meridians; Microcosmic Orbit) Level II: Fusion of the Five Elements (opens the six other extraordinary meridians: belt, thrusting, etc.) Level III: Lesser Enlightenment of the Kan S Li (opening the 12 regular meridians: kidney, liver, lung, LI, SI, etc. Bringing together of the heart yang fire (Li) en the perinium yin water (Kan) in the cauldron/tan tien) Level IV: Greater Enlightenment of the Kan & Li (seriously beginning to lose me here; the mixing of energies move to the solar plexus; external energies are drawn in) Level V: Greatest Enlightenment of the Kan & Li Level VI: Opening the Six Special Channels Level VII: Opening the Thirty-two Meridians Level VIII: Gathering the Power to Restore Energy Level IX: Passing the Power from the Hand. Imo Chia's system is the most "scientific" (even though it's still absolutely terrible in this aspect) of all the qigong systems, because it works with the meridians. And it's a fact that they exist - science is limited but definite on that subject. So it is also the system that is the easiest to integrate with TCM: acupuncture, acupressure and moxatherapies. What is clear is that even in stage I it goes WAY deeper than these more public practices, even though it is much slower and much harder on the mind. But what makes Young's book so great is hearing so many people discussing how their health improved each time they moved up a level. I would love to gather these testimonies in one forum thread; doesn't really matter which qigong system has been used. So let me begin... At this point I've been working on Level 0/1 of Chia's system over the past year. I'm just working to clear the blockages all along the Ren and Du meridians. It's a slow process but it works. I've been using acupuncture (without any permanent success), acupressure (with great success... some points don't even exist in the books or little is known about them, even though they had great effect in me... also felt many meridians while working on the points), moxa, and for qigong mixed up the practices of Zhan Zhuang, Chunyi Lin (moving of Yin & Yang and the way he teaches the microcosmic orbit/small universe) and Mantak Chia. Also played with the book Qigong Empowerment, but it's not very detailed on the microcosmic orbit. Not a bad book though. By the way, tried to trigger an out of body experience, just for fun. I was very close when I was sixteen, but now it's absolutely impossible. It completely fires up the meridian system and causes extreme discomfort - so it's undoubtedly a good practice. Sometimes I had great pain in the heart (so it's still not fixed); other times in the large intestine meridian of the left arms (which Ryodoruku shows is my weakest meridian). Amazing how everything is related. With every practice I wrote down in detail all the experiences and "westernized" them a bit so I can do 'em for hours on end (especially with Zhan Zhuang). There's a ton of remarkable stuff I experienced, but here's what is the most important... the results on my health at this point (Yeah, I really got messed up in recent years): I fixed in myself: Many (extremely) painful spots around my eyes and along the Conception Vessel on my entire stomach are gone. A relatively red nose due to many tiny veins - cleared up for 80% percent. My nose was completely stuffed since last year, mainly at night or when lying down. It has opened quite a bit, but needs a lot more work. Serious hay fever has cleared up (solved it during the height of hay fever season, mainly by focusing on the Yin-Ting/Eyebrow point). Can now go out all day during hay fever season... maybe one sneeze when I get back inside. That's it. A seriously broken heart (a gaping hole in my chest and pain like I get a heart attack... Got hay fever symtoms while working on it and was emotionally transported back to moment some of this stuff happened) 95% of dandruff in eyebrows and hair is gone. Playing around with homeopathy remedies brought initial result, but soon caused massive hair loss (am not bald though, but was seriously thinning in recent years on the front of my head. Hairs were all over the place in my bed, desk, etc.). Qigong improved things further without the adverse effects. Hair loss (a ton of painful points on my head along the GV meridian... fixing it (maybe at 75%) with MMA style bridging and some qigong... huge amount of intensely "cold" energy there that I was able to get rid of... by pointing my palms there while watching my favorite TV series). My digestion greatly improved. Let's not go into too much detail, but the "gas" aspect I definitely need to curb further. That was my initial problem 12 years ago that caused a ton of neverending stress... and therefore a chain reaction. Guess I'm lucky because I've always been fascinated with fixing stuff like this in an alternative way. Guess you need to have problems in order to figure that stuff out. Haha. So anyone else had some breakthoughs? Emotional stuff is great, but physiological changes are the real wonders. Love to hear all your experiences. It's also a great way to motivate people. Basic questions to answer: What health benefits have you enjoyed from doing qigong or TCM? What form did you practice when you had those results and how long did it take? Update: Darn it! Somebody change "Hemmroids" into "Hemorrhoids".

You are only worried about the monasteries? Maybe not today, but the monasteries should have been taken down. They were part of the ruling class. The ordinary peasant in Tibet had no rights. A landlord allied with the Dalai Lama could rape a peasant's/slave's wife and cut off his balls and eviscerate him when he protested. Happened a lot. Dalai Lama were no better than the Vatican or the Taliban. But that's the normal state of the world. That's how power works. That is why democracy has been invented. Chinese propaganda? Didn't I just tell you I have nothing with Mao or communism? But you worry about your monasteries. I prefer to look at the lowest classes.

@Tulku There's a difference between enjoying/appreciating something that is part of earthly life and being addicted to it. Everybody knows that. As an update to my previous post... yeah, I also have problems with Taoist masters keeping their info to themselves and a few "chosen ones" and the royal courts. They should have spread it to the masses, at least the basic levels. The benefits far outweigh any potential risks. But you what they say about knowledge... it's power. And you know what they say about power... it corrupts.

@ CowTao: I agree with you that enlightenment is not supposed to be escapism. But as far as I remember Buddhist see Earthly life as suffering, certainly much more than Taoists. They are more focused on reaching enlightenment and less on earthly matters. Anyway, that's an interpretation I heard a couple of times and didn't really disagree with it. Had the Tibetan book of the dead lying around and its kinda the impression I got. Don't really care either about Buddhism anymore though, as I did as a kid. The Dalai Lama priests were running the country like a brutal dictatorship. When Tibet was overrun by the Chinese the ordinary peasants had little interest in fighting the commies. CIA-trained (through the American Society for a Free Asia and other fronts) ruling class monks couldn't take back the country on their own. Mao's China was terrible, but it was basically the same as the Dalai Lama, except they modernized the country. It's one the things I still want to go back to and study, but Buddhism and the Dalai Lama.... Just another propped-up anti-communist/socialist cult supported by elements in Western establishminsts, both liberal and conservative in this case.... meaning State, CIA, Pentagon and a ton of private interests. Few heard about Taoism and that basically because it doesn't enjoy this widespread support by Western interests. I don't care much about all the intricacies of Taosim either, but I like the curious, adventurous spirit. Possibly the only religion/philosophy without a totally corrupted high authority... but like I said, need to study deeper (but already studied deeper than 99,99% of the people out there). That's probably true. When I walk into a meeting of the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia and tell them they have a rather negative view on women and life they probably also look at me with funny eyes also. Eye of the beholder. Hehe. Ah, just kidding this case. Couldn't resist. I prefer Buddhist monks anyday of the week over basically any other religious representive.

Interesting. And all you is tan tien breathing? I.e. focusing on the tan tien area and just breathing down to it? That's my basic exercise now. To get that area running smoothly as kickstart to the rest of the orbit. In fact, just (deeply) focusing on that area is will move and increase the orbit and the entire system, based on experiences described in the book I linked to.

Insight into what? How depressed you are? If you feel that's what you gotta do, do it. My guess is that one day you'll find out that you are mistaken. Although you had to make that mistake. Believe me that a woman (and a ton of money to stuff you want) can make you happy, as long as there is love. They just don't wanna be with someone who is heavily depressed. But maybe a loving relationship is not part of the lessons you have to learn in this life. Buddhism may fit you better than Taoism. It has a rather negative view on life. They see enlightenment as an escape of what they basically see as hell. And let's be honest, for many people life is indeed hell. Many taoists on the other hand enjoy sex and good food. They are after cultivating their health, spirit, relationships - they are curious about the world they live in. Bit more positive than the Tibetants. Maybe it was the weather. It's rather cold 5,000 meters and up... The scenery is nice though.

Nice. Very recent also. Last time I checked was a couple of months back. Gets a little off track though halfway. I'm disappointed no or very little physiological changes are mententioned... mainly mental/emotional.

Great, now I can add a signature, but know know anymore which one to choose... So here a couple other poems/quotes that I love. All written by Stephen Hayes in Tulku. Ninjutsu related... You are not locked in that body of yours. Your mind can soar and join other minds. Do not be afraid to explore the dynamic potentiality of all things in the universe. Quest ever on. To know feel and be all that you possibly can. Become a part of the ethereal and look down upon the earth as it plays its part in the cosmos. Tap the knowledge of the heavens to see the scheme of impersonal totality and become a part of the mind and eyes of god. *** The mind directs the energy of the physical entity into harmony with the state of the universe. When all about you is frantic chaos, do not be absorbed by the crashing of the gongs, the screams of the hysterical, or the wailing of the grievous. Become one with the rocks that never feel the need to shift about at the whim of minor happenings. Your roots are buried deep. Like those of the mountains. *** Men are helpless only when they see themselves as helpless. The present is the only opportunity for power. The passage of time controls and bends all things only when we believe in the passage of time. The future lived is merely yet another now. **** Yours is a legacy of service to those in need, protection to those in distress and strength to those who are overpowered. Your guide is nin-po silent means of working your will without actions. Your reward is spiritual growth and an active role in the scheme of totality. *** You are indeed worth defending. There are those whose love you share those whose days brighten with your presence those who count on you. Just how much are you willing to do in order to assure that the twisted actions of the perverse do not destroy the joy in the hearts of those you love? *** Dynamic power lies inert the core of all the ten thousand things. By attuning with all things and excluding none one can avail himself of the collective power of the cosmos. The alignment and activation of thought, word, and deed is the bridge to these powers. **** Know that the heavens were created to descend into the five elemental manifestations. One piece a small mirror of all others. It is all the same. All the same. Each piece of existence is its own small universe. Earth Water Fire Air And the potential of the great Emptiness are there in everything. To know the order of the universe is to understand the ways of nature and the proclivities of man. **** In the words and actions of the wise there can arise the appearance of contradiction. Know confidently that the accumulation of experience tempered by awareness will eventually banish any of the confusion that plays servant to smallness of vision. ***