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I think after death is likened to OB experience.You'll get a mix of ob world and dreamed things depending how clean come out.You get pulled towards your personal patterns of life there including hellish heavenly intermediate phase.Some chi schools build up energy body to the point they don't need return to physical body to download memory.So they can exist after death.This still doesn't guarantee freedom, as the ego must be changed also.And I don't believe this is guaranteed with only energy meditation hence evil ancestor spirits and the like.

They say that a part of us is immortal soul.There is a disparity between finite body physical world and this inner part of us is not of this world.Starting from genesis to fall of Adam first mankind descended and mixed with different qualities of finite and infinite possibilities.

Probably chi going up your spine into your skull.Hopefully you know what you're doing.

I used to do a lot of a full lotus LDT training eventually after some years it wouldn't stay down and worked its way to heart or middle dantien.It felt weird and uncomfortable staying in the middle.To this day if I try again it will gather eventually in middle up conception.And to this day I have no idea why, if it is safe or not.Some rumours say the dantians are filled with yang "sequentially" from bottom up.I have no idea I would appreciate to know about my advice be careful on dwelling energy at heart.

All of the above plus more. Would be fascinating to get to the truth of this after filtering trash

I don't normally post much on ttb but wow quite trash rich content post here. My contribution is to say that apparently media says living life of chaos and anything goes is what freedom is, but truth is it isn't.Freedom is in balance.A balanced mind too not wanting to poison themselves unless to show off in front of people like a magic show attention seeking etc. Could be wrong but I guess on poison path the best never LIVED to tell the TAIL of what its like. TF

Hi all I'm a bit of a long time mediator, training over 7 years done couple thousand hours of meditation. In 2012 I came into a bit of a snag, since 2008 I was doing full lotus meditation with no issues when on a retreat the currents from the earth running through my body was so intense I felt like I was being electricuted and began to feel quite anxious from the feeling as there was too much excess eletricity. To the point I felt like I was too scream out so intense the blasting from the lower dantien. Since than I used the full lotus far less and did other types of chi gong in a more moderate approach. In passing I went into my full lotus again today (2015). Within 20 minutes the current gathered from the earth so intensely again, same thing was happenning many years back, only more quickly. It's like my body can't absorb so much power or potential power stored there. Or I'm like a magnet for electric current. I had my teacher look at me previously and he basically didn't sense any chi, but I know my body there's massive amount that gathers quickly but I stay clear of as by not doing full lotus. At least I can figure out a way to overcome it or work out what's going on. I was wondering if any of you know about this or heard about people experience this and how they overcome it? Unfortunately I'm in a position where I don't have any caring support for these technical matters, basically on my own. Regards TF

Thanks again for sharing. Full lotus was no issue for me for some 1000s of hours but the same electrocution came up in 2012.Now its 2015 and its been interesting to see repeatable outcome. Wanting to share more, its like it gathers so quickly in lower dantien holding on tight - borderline non conceptual state at LD but in the hall it spread so quickly upwards unable to contain it.It zaps the heart and finally the seed in the third eye and then its game over.Feel sick as described above.Its like they are not conditioned enough but people seem to talk about lotusing right through no absorption issues at all. I believe I am v healthy person. Seems the lotus is extremely superior building v quickly but seems my upper chakras cant cope with the electrocution.I do zhu Zhang grounds back down okay again. Yes I've always lotused on bare earth when I can and get a lot of perineum sensation but I've only focused on LD my whole life.

Thanks for the replies and help. I think ill place more effort on keeping the mind down and stay clear of lotus its too much for upward pressure maybe particularly in my development level.

Thanks for the replies. I mainly do Zhou Zhang practice now.I have no issue with excess zapping with the feet grounded. The full lotus problem mainly happens when I'm in the meditation hall with group.Its like the energy multplies with others nearby. I do a Korea style just keeping on the dantien.The zapping stores there no drama but then no matter how hard I chill out and concentrate the electricution intensifys and spreads upwards.There was a time years ago it was fine manageable. Its frustrating because I used to enjoy sitting like this for hours I told my Korean teacher.He just said its good, but I actually had to stop and lie down.Maybe there is a way to condition the heart to take the zapping better?I don't know.So far you guys only one lending help Regards Tf

I like the one with the buddha at enlightenment after so many years to effect of "I see the builder"

I liked that. Non corrupted power?That would be freedom.I dont think many have that.

Buddhism and thogal have good things.Books r inspirational only but.

To topic. Cant reverse orbit is more crup.Only goes up spine.mantiak chia seed garbage. Pop tart garbage is in the trash with that. Fritters

Crap book, just like most books.

The middle dantien or heart chakra for the serious practioners is a dangerous, miserable place if you don't know what you're doing. Stay away from it as much as possible, stick to the lower dantien safer like most people use. In Tummo they say this is the most knotted point, and they hold their breath on it according to books. What a load of crap, you will end up damaging yourself getting a heart attack and/or palpitation.

In regards to the topic, I agree. These spiritual people are generally all corrupt. Most people are not able to handle power. They are usually rich elite who have access to all knowledge and all the rest like us, even the ones who earnestly want to do whatever needs to be done miss out. The world is a negative place, with a lot of control by negative force. But we have to rely on keeping faith in hope. Those who think they have access to literally all within themselves are living a pipe dream, have their head in the clouds are true hippies.

I am very dissapointed in morepieguy, Matt who used to be a student of Jim, but ended up copying Micah Shifu Lin in terms of behaviour. These very young immature people need to be slapped. He has not only disrespected his own teacher but he had attracted the attention of Jim's family online who had been deeply hurt about what he has said regarding Jim and others. Kostas stigmata and his students with stigmata - rubbish. The groups splitting off to form ridicilous children forums learning off and relying on Jim's old text- rubbish. Instead of actually trying to do something and unite to progress and look for alternatives (which is the only way) these people think by breaking apart, selling out and going rambo style will move things for themselves, they hold everyone back and cause the goal to sink into greater obscurity. TF

Hello All I wanted to introduce myself. I am Jim's most senior student and have worked with him closely for over 5 years. I have some terrible news, after communicating with Jim's family, my teacher and friend Jim McMillian has passed away this week. With their permission I share from a letter: "...my dad passed away due to kidney failure caused by prostate cancer related complications. I am grateful, as the doctors said that kidney failure is not a painful way to go. His official cause of death was armed service related, as ground troops in the vietnam war were exposed to "Agent Orange" a chemical herbicide and defoliant used to make the jungles less dense and more navigable. Unfortunately, those that were exposed show a much higher rate of different cancers, as well as other health complications. I feel extremely bad, if not cheated, evidence suggests that the military and their think-tanks knew about the harmful effects of chemical defoliants on humans, yet they told the troops that Agent Orange was perfectly safe tot he human body, and veterans have always had a hard time collecting benefits or injury claims because of this. If you want to know anything more about Agent Orange you can read its wikipedia page, that will have most of the information on it." The family have been very appreciative of all the support from everyone. Jim shared with me many personal things about his life over the years. He had a very tough life...and yet even in his last bed ridden days he still was helping his students constantly. It was Jim's dying wish for myself and the others to continue serving god. He did this by sharing neigong knowledge with people wanting to learn, as he and I believe it is mankind's god given right, not isolated away from humanity. I believe this art may not be for everyone, but should be accessible to everyone; I don't believe entirely in the institutional view of karma, as each normal person makes amends and ask for forgiveness throughout life to become better people. So I will continue searching, and searching for acceptance for knowledge beyond the foundations. And I will help others find this also. Has anyone heard of disclosure project or sirius project? I've never said this before but like these respective cover ups I am led to believe even today there has been a systematic eradication and isolation of chi masters/knowledge (particularly china/tibet, isolation in west). I think in order for humanity to continue to exist and evolve, this "chi cover up" must be exposed and shone with a bright public light. Perhaps this protection could be established some day in future... God bless you Jim and thank you for bringing magic to our lives

Hello All I'm relatively new to the processes of Buddhism, but have done study in Buddhism. I also have meditated quite a bit by western standard of nei gong style. I'm a pretty serious meditator householder, I'm stuck and unable to learn more I want to learn more. I notice the Buddhist intention is in line with what I'd like to provide for others. Being- purify self and help others end the roots of suffering. I would like to learn highest yoga tantra, i would like to learn more about conquering the chakras. Does anybody know any good teachers in Australia or the world who teaches white people highest yoga tantra, or can corrospond with me? I am located in Queensland. Warm Regards Peter

Thanks for the video for this thread

When it happened to me, it started while I was on my 4th retreat. Very dark times. I wasn't able to sit and meditate without feeling sick, I couldn't read or look at anything spiritual without feeling sick. I couldn't look at violence or death on tv without feeling sick. Anxiety, depression, really feeling nothingness, no logic solving it. It's better if people don't have to deal with this. I believe it only happens to a small percentage of serious practioners, the unlucky ones. Afterwards you come out completly different. Parts of the ego no longer exist.

My usb modem had dissappeared from my table the other day. This was in a space of couple of hours. I was looking at adult content before it happened. The spirits no longer want me to waste my time with such things, and focus on working in various ways.

Over the years since meditating I've been seeing more and more of these things that look like fireflys or tiny fireballs. I was wondering what do you think these buggers are?

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