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Understandable, respectfully. Sure. I mostly talk what I could confirm following experiences. I refer to traditional buddhism here. The trikaya is present in every traditions. They are 3 bodies present always, hence even a dog has buddha nature. Not sure what you mean by "spontaneous" or "expressions" . Calling them expressions sounds like a dzogchen view of them, to me. Like looking from the top of the mountain downwards. So Nirmanakaya is this body. In the traditional view of 3 kayas without breaking into 9 or 16 or 5 or whatever the 5 skhandas belong to the Nirmanakaya. The Nirmanakaya is the manifested universe or at least our essence / body here. As such it is bound to die earlier or later. Gotamas Nirmanakaya contracted as universal essence after 80 years and went on to reincarnate after some time or whatever... Sambogakaya is the seed of manifestation, also part of the universe but not accessible to normal beings. Boddhisattvas, etc can access it / 'evoke' at this level of reality. Dharmakaya is one to lead to cessation of reincarnation. However even one stable in/as Dharmakaya will have the Sambogakaya somewhere in it's layer of the universe/existence and Nirmanakaya somewhere in the manifested universe. If not incarnated then as essence, essentially floating across time/space in the manifested time/space / universe... aka after death they don't extinguish but the essence of the Nirmanakaya remains with the universe, it is not a divine substance and won't 'ascend' or become Sambogakaya or Dharmakaya. It's like matter cannot become mind as some may think... Is this clear friends? https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Nirmanakaya " is defined as a rupakaya or 'form body' that arises from the ruling condition of the sambhogakaya " " In Tibetan Buddhism : One is the manifestation of a completely realized Buddha ; another is a seemingly ordinary being ; " https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Sambhogakaya " is defined as a 'form body' (rupakaya) of a buddha, which appears only to bodhisattvas and is the basis for the arising of the nirmanakaya " So Nirmanakaya is placed, at least in this traditional framework of Trikaya, as being under the Sambogakaya. -- Now regarding what I said, I see 3 points in my previous post. I've asked on Buddhist forums before and people agreed in the traditional view at least, the 5 skhandas belong to or are part of the Nirmanakaya. The Sambogakaya does not have these skhandas. The Nirmanakaya like the 5 skhandas are eternally changing and non-permanent. Like the manifested universe ( /manifested anything ). > Of course no comment made in the relation of the 5 skandas in relation to other views of kayas like vajrayana was it? has the Nirmankaya of Nirmanakaya, of Sambogakaya and of the Dharmakaya, then the Sambogakaya of Nirmanakaya, of Sambogakaya and so on.... Disagree? -- Now, if you build prana or practice candle flame meditation your concentration improves right? So what does this mean that a sentient, normal being who does this will be able to evoke Sambogakaya which appears to boddhisattvas ? No. So I said, concentration belongs to Nirmanakaya. While you will need a concentrated mind the concentration is not the Sambogakaya and Dharmakaya. It is the brain that concentrates. The brain of the body/Nirmanakaya. -- So towards the end I talked about the 5 skhandas in a subjective, rather than objective practice/way. I said, in the terms of the stuff in the spoiler tag^: For the form skhanda (rupakkhandha) the 4 existents (elements) are the cause and condition for it. Similarly for the 3 next skhandas contact is the cause and condition. Lastly for the consciousness skhanda Name-&-form is the cause and condition. So Steve, how do you understand the 5 skhandas ? in Dzogchens at least (If this is considered off topic, anyone just pm me to delete this post and I will subtly without leaving a trace on the thread.)

If I understand Buddhism correctly, thoughts belong to the 5 skhandas. The skhandas fuel the brain or Nirmanakaya. Some people think they can think without thoughts or "thought-forms" but even that very perception is the 5 skhandas. Meaning if you were to cultivate properly you could isolate that very background perception and immediate identification or understanding of what's in front of you - and it would feel in your experience just like a thought. So thoughts are simple perception. The Nirmanakaya expands. Expands it's perception, it is trying to accelerate to infinity. Body wanting to be like mind (Sambogakaya, in this context). Concentration comes from Nirmanakaya. Everything you do requires concentration. You say an infant grows when they start to concentrate on cartoons or topics and the world around them. When you fall asleep you relax the concentration to the higher skhandas or entirely. When you push for the last rep in the gym you cannot feel your body anymore or use the 6 senses and concentration is stretched to the max. The very willpower for the Nirmanakaya is a matter of serenity/clarity of mind which is none other than concentration. When you're truly angry your senses are slightly tiny bit stronger and you are concentrated to quantitatively more than before This means both bad or unskillful, as well as refined concentration comes from Nirmanakaya cultivation. All you can do is make your thought process merged nicely together and the 5th skhanda dominant like a leader in the thought process. The first skhanda is 'excited' through (I don't remember this one well but it's a google away if you want') the 4 elements. The next 3 through contact. The last through NAME-FORM. So for example if you get tortured the first 4 will react because there is contact. The last 5 is untouched iron / shen like mentation/thinking/experience. It is the one to decide if to forgive or rage or whatever action it will take. Only direct identifiable concepts or NAME-FORM can affect it

Will is the key <3 It's not about India. America has plenty too. Some small country with under 40-50 million population is unlikely to have anyone you could stumble into. Popular global hotspots, yes;USA has california too which is a sweet hotspot not just for the devil, lol, but for scientific researchers as well, businesses, cults, you name. These are hotspots for the people in the know as well, not just because economically they might find a comfy job but there is more life. It's until you get started and you can sense higher shen and Sambogakaya and Dharmakaya, then you will notice a lot of things We have plenty of good stuff freely available to the public, but how many people actually read all these ancient texts and practice? Just go on western occult forums or the reddit, many people will think like buddhism is about nihilism and it's just an egregore hypnotising the priesthood and the lamas just stealing your postnatal prana. Just be honest. This is your life and your journey. Return back those dreams you had as a child. Destinity is for everyone Everyone experiences glimpses of Sambogakaya and Dharmakaya throughout their lives, not just prince Gotama. Similarly everyone is in sink with themselves guiding themselves on the journey to finding the GURU - a physical, or not, a human, or not, a sentient, or not, teacher. ....chasing specific people or specific modes of thinking or specific words; going to peoples houses or country, violently insisting to be taught, ignoring SILA/MORALITY/YOUR PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT like it's some invisible, intangible stuff that does not matter, these things and concepts won't help. Morality and purity practices are usually aimed at the Sambogakaya development - SPEECH; and WILL is usually about Dharmakaya - MIND - like in the dzogchen type stuff. I'm using the buddhist framework because it's well known and clear ^ that's all. But immortals are all over the world. There's a lot of like small temples with entities that are actually immortals but they get ignored by mainstream and book authors. If you go around screaming you're a scam, you have no lineage, you have no credentials and always look but never listen to people no one will teach you, and no one can teach you.If you go being obsessed and uncaring to nature, the present moment, the beauty of the world, how can you yourself be beautiful in the grand scheme? Seriously don't obsessively chase specific and isolated books/lineages/currents/people, manifest the GURU in your life. It's not manifestation, it's simply touching what was always there. Practices that usually make sense and take you higher (meditation) involve speechless and intent-less mentation. Or "empty mind". Just stay on the target as if you're waiting for the train. Even when you watch the TV or netflix you're expecting something from the media you consume, you want something else after you finish watching, instead just stay empty in tranquility, you don't need to feel focus or anything. Your Dharmakaya and Shambogakaya are right here and they lead to the real powerful siddhis Magick is real. Where there is will there is a way.

Madam Blavatskys brothers teleported back and forth and left a turban in place. That was no illusion. They also transferred the words of the book into Miss HPB when she was writing the books. Shamballa is real and multiple dimensions too. There are plenty. We've had arahants on this very forum in the past that were misunderstood. The world stinks of nobleness and wisdom. Only the blind swim underground like worms. There are more immortals than non-immortals. Trust the teachings, you don't need 'proof' or credentials, you need will.

Its not bachelordhood (celibacy) luke. This is a lifetime thing with no breaks. Its a totally unique to hindu tradition. Its BRAHMAchariot. Its hard core raja yoga merging the cosmic mind with the bodymind. This is not a sexist hype or thing or anything hippy like that. The practice is totally the same for both sexes. Most talk about it where it's easier or harder for males in any aspect is not it. For disciples it would be a great virtue to be truly Brahmachary for a reason. It's nothing a normal human can copy or understand fully. A disciple for a real guru is already a step or more ahead of the average human. It's almost like you're shape shifting or transforming the human you were into a slightly different and better, slightly different ALIEN.

Yes, indeed. I was only talking about supernatural skills.

Brahmacharya is deep in hinduism. There is a lot of shit that never made it public. Back in the day siddarths were very mystic and powerful. Nowadays stickmen and stickwomen want to do "semen retention" for 5 weeks and expect to mind control with their body language or voice lol Theres stories of siddarths reproducing without any physical act as well, and having all kinds of siddhis. Using totally unpublicised magick, secret and development. It still happens to this day, it just won't be publicized. People think these boxes with small magickal people inside them and their laptops and phones keeps them connected to the "world". "World Wide Web" nonsense. It's the fucking middle ages out there!

Is it just a change in perception of your overall chi field/quantity or actually chi starts flowing stronger in areas of the body?

Yeah. Focus on the mental aspects all the time. Physical should be beyond question. Success is about discipline at the end of the day. Don't forget to do mula bhandas to avoid muscle stagnation. Mourna is useful to practice as well. Train your senses....google 8 consciousnesses, that's your senses, not 5. So train all of them. Avoid spices or anything pungent in taste: onion, leek, garlic, probably radish, ginger, etc too. You may take regulatory herbs when you are stable, 8 years or more in the game. On an empty stomach, Sleep early wake up early. Look down on the ground when you walk on the street or speak with random women. See them as sisters and mothers and/or see the atman in everyone. And needless to mention there is no such thing as semen retention. It's called Brahmacharya, and it's absolutely not a one thing. It's like batteries. If they get old they might fuckin leak electric water stuff which is very toxic. You can't even dispose of them properly, if you catch the allegory. It's a battery to your car. So you absolutely must practice intense sadhana. Wet dreams count as breaks in celibacy but may not count as breaks in Brahmacharya if they happen like once in 6 or 18 months or even longer. And if you are clean to the letter on everything else mentioned above^. Focus on becoming more sattvic.

JUST BUILD ENERGY BROO ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Njb4uwnvk that's the purpose of energy fields. They stabilize you deeper in the subconsciouss/unconsciouss. You don't therapy, just light and heat works great. apologies to you and ilumairen, I don't get it. What is the benefits of this ? or rather the nectars one enjoys when doing it?

What do you gain from this? It doesn't really sounds like you're reaching higher degrees of consciousness from their description.

To my knowledge, traditionally, not by specific a lineages terms and teachings, Nirmanakaya has "emotional obstructions", meaning it has emotions and Sambogakaya has "cognitive obstructions", meaning it has cognition. Nirmanakaya lives in Samsara and Sambogakaya in Nirvana. Similarly the Nirmanakaya is composed of 5 skhandas which are like 5 layers of thoughts. When developed their level of thinking feels like an emotion. It has momentum to it or reference to another previous thoughts. Hence it comes like a tsunami, akin to an emotion. If tortured a practitioner who has cultivated only Nirmanakaya has to concentrate and make his/her mind to not hate the people torturing them. Whereas a practitioner with a strong Sambogakaya as well is free much more free and is well aware of everything happening. They do not require commitments or battle thoughts or 'trains' of thoughts - akin to emotions/water. They do not get pissed and decide okay dude, you're getting on my heels but I will let you go this time. So sambogakaya would still have "feelings" but it's not as trapping as Nirmanakayas level of thoughts/mind.

Not a school/lineage of buddhism. You could say on my own / DITY. How do you see it?

Also, if I understand this correctly, Alaya and Manas are Sambogakaya, with Alaya being "higher". Below them you have the 5 senses or body (sensory deprivation tank and trance - there is no body without senses) and what normal people call mind, as "higher" to the 5 senses. I think some say Alaya is actually Dharmakaya, others say there is a 9th consciousness which is the Dharmakaya, but since it doesn't "do" anything, clearing Alaya is like clearing the mirror that is the 9th. So sambogakaya is pure cognition without any feeling or momentum (or 'emotion') or relation to something else (another previous thought). Is it in the body [as some may call it - "bodymind"] ? Nope. It is....

As it has been said, wrong system has been given out on purpose by Jim and many fakes trying to sell these things with fake info. Not to mention we're talking about crumbles of bread of the whole system which is blocked for you by the astral master, can't argue there. Lots of people seem to like McDuffies alternative though: https://t.me/LingQiLibrary

You make it sound like it's housed in the body and fuels the person in the body. Meaning it can be stolen. What happens if it is stolen? Can one steal fragments only? Does it have any particular phenomena / unique qualities or specific lights/colors it is seen as?

And I say this because buddhists too talk about Sambogakaya forms of evocation or meeting higher beings. As as well Sambogakaya and Dharmakaya transmissions. So yes, to me Dharmakaya too has some sort of QI/BREATH/ENERGY to it that VOLITAZES your experience there. And it boosts other SENSES separate from the 6 consciousnesses of the Nirmanakaya/BODY. edit: separate, altough they may be merged in a|for a seamless experience/being/reality.

Appreciate the intrusion Who here has read al the sanskrit text available to the public? All the japanese texts, all the pali texts, all the tamil texts, all the hebrew and aramaic texts, etc etc Knowledge is always worth it. That is what my definition is based on. Just like the Nirmanakaya has a brain and eyes and you kind of stare at the room in front of your as the viewer as well as the experiencer, so like that is the Dharmakaya.....it's a KAYA as well....it's not something non understandable, to me. Although yes, it's nature in ALL Aspects is nothing like samsara and nirvana. And anyway, if we're talking about the colour of those QIs or better said, BREATHS, we're implying POV from inner divine sight which is only one sense or one aspect of that reality anyway

I am saying that you see no innate motive to not kill them. You are already contemplating killing them. Dead rules don't make ambrosia, only dry bread.

I think both are right. Like what is the colour of chi? ... In it's true objective nature yes. But subjectively many buddhists refer to sambogakaya transmissions or white light of sambogakaya in meditation. Similarly there are unique qi like energies to dharmakaya, beyond manifestation and the universe of course; that when you get to that level and perceive them like a pro with the divine senses from that level you may notice it golden. Until then, so is sambogakaya too, objectively colorless although with nothing manifested.

The way I understand the role of morals is to become rooted in the all compassionate cosmic mind. ~sambogakaya type stuff in traditional buddhism. Because the body and the totally postnatal/earthly part of mind is a robot. It's conduct is just action, cannot really have purpose. The doer beyond the body is to be ... cultivated / taught.

excuse me, I may be wrong, but that is neither the buddhism or hindu view regardless of which inner sect of these traditions we view from. Take buddhist view of 8 consciousnesses. The 5 senses science too has identified are grouped together. The 6th is the earthly mind we're all familiar with. This 6th, mind, is always there with the 5 senses but still it is beyond them, capable of things far beyond their animal level of perception, consciousness or LIFE. Similarly there are highers 'mind', simply degrees of consciousness that make up our 'structure'. When people say no self, they say this earthly stuff is not a self, it's not permanent and it's empty. You can see it change entirely from one moment to the other. Like emotions. They're shape is like water, shapeless. As such if a salesman sells you water and tell you to cup your hands to receive it because he's selling the cups separately then you know there is self / business there and must seek a proper guide /shop. This means that yes, even sages have a body with limitations or problems like us. They dream. They get horny and have wild sex. They get angry or disgusted or disappointed with their close friends, even their own children! They do need exercise their bodies and minds and nurture them else they get health problems, start forgetting perhaps.....Sagehood is 'above', another organ of function entirely and that immortal is and was always thus it is IMMORTAL. This whole universe will collapse one day with it's astral and etheric and etc, etc.

It's just if you don't have STRONG energy and legendary poise of mind/will (concentration!) why would you ask for personal development related help or questions from more mature mind - spirits. Evocation is a hype trend and traditionally evocation is used for energetic empowerment, preferably at higher levels of consciousness than you currently are at. Evoking a spirit from another dimension to ask for help with chicks or ask how should i treat this lady to selflessly serve her and make her happy is silly because you've seen this spirit on the internet or some book but we have plenty of humans, who can counsel you on social matters, but really this is Your journey to walk. Nasa doesn't send messages in space begging for tech from aliens. TECH PLEASE BEEP BEEP

Yes; On the levels of consciousness which you have developed and can volatilize with your will/consciousness/concentration. What's the difference between concentration and scanning? What's the difference between remote viewing and clairvoyance/clairs? Can you answer LightSeeker? Have you researched the topic before? If someone goes off to another planet, is there any interference or extra requirements or a change in the medium of 'evocation'? Another galaxy? Another time?