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None of us believe in the supernatural. There is only the natural universe. If our science hasn't probed into some area of reality yet, our ignorance of it doesn't make it supernatural. I wish you the best Small Dream, I hope your practice works out well for you.

Small Dream, That is the truth. Literally, all we do is study what John taught Kosta and Jim, and nothing more. What we study is the same as what the Indonesians study, Jim was tested level by level by John himself. About our experiences, we can't talk about them here for obvious reasons. No, we do not think of ourselves as special magical beings as you put it, this is something anyone who puts in the effort with the correct methods can experience. Our experiences are not hallucinatory, nor are they internal feelings. We can answer questions, but not here in this environment. You say you are done and I certainly hope you mean it. I hope your practice works out well for you.

Small Dream, Literally, all we do is review what Chang told Kosta and Jim, and nothing more. That is it. We all practice as much as our lives allow for, and we are all working to do our best to better ourselves and get to a point where we can focus on training full time. Our experiences are not internal feelings. We are doing our best, and if you disagree then you disagree. I hope your practice works out well for you, but you and I are done arguing.

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Hi Starjumper, We have a few members who have membership here but they keep quiet for a reason, we also have members on other forums related to MoPai, but our private forum is separate from these, I hope that clears up any misunderstandings.

Although some members are also on neigongforum, that is not our private forum.

If you see things that way, then so be it. I've tried to be as polite as possible while expressing a different way of seeing things. Goodbye Small Dream, and I hope your practice works out well for you.

Of course people who disagree and oppose who we are and what we are about are going to argue with us here, in an open forum. We created a closed forum out of necessity.

Small Dream, Traveling around the world to take someone to a random location, strip them to their underwear, and check them with metal, even if they are rumored to be a "master" is an expensive proposition. If you accept what John said was correct and that there were a handful like him on earth then, the odds of finding such a teacher randomly are astronomically small. I also wouldn't put in the time, effort and money unless I could bring my own team of scientists and medical doctors to convince others, no one in my group would accept my personal testimony because that isn't good enough for us. We are all quite content to complete what we have been given before looking for anything more. I can't have this conversation with you with a straight face, you go find those people and take them off our hands for us We have to keep the trolls and unbalanced people out of our forum otherwise, we wouldn't be able to breathe. Having constant arguments because of clashing epistemologies, and ideologies isn't conducive for the type of environment we want. We do this free of charge and in our spare time, so we have to limit the amount of drama and conflict we deal with. The other option which I think you would like better is to not have a forum at all, and help no one.

I agree with you one hundred percent.

https://www.thedaobums.com/profile/111272-小梦想/ Ask 小梦想, as it's his username, not mine.

Arramu, That is exactly what we are doing. Thanks for the unwanted, and unneeded advice though. Best wishes.

sageofthesixpaths, Unfortunately, anyone who can answer your question here will not be allowed to do so. Discussion on MoPai is not tolerated here by this community. I would strongly advise you or anyone else not to use the private message function here on this website, as it is not secure. If you must use it I would recommend ONLY using it to exchange email addresses and do all communication off site for your own sake, and that is as far as I can go into that topic. EDIT: Others here will tell you I am lying and that the community does tolerate discussion on MoPai, if you want to see the truth for yourself go read this recent thread: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/44486-long-men-pai-nei-gong-and-mo-pai/

Small Dream, As I said we think different, and see the world differently. We don't want teachers to do anything, we just aren't interested in what they have to offer until we have "evidence that is objective" with scientists and medical doctors present to rule out fraud. As to the purpose of the system, or our goals, I don't believe I've discussed that here for a reason. Feel free to make something up though so you can attack us for it. We do not "want to be Goku" and do our best to screen out anyone with that mindset. Again you and I have reached the limit of what polite conversation can accomplish. I hope your practice serves you well, and that you have a wonderful and rewarding life, but we are done here.

Small Dream, I hope whatever you practice works out for you, but I'm not interested in talking to you further.

I'd love to have that conversation with you, but I cannot do it here. It has nothing to do with time management.

Earl, All I can ask of you sincerely is that you please stop telling us how to practice. We do the best we can, if you want to argue we don't then argue with the wall.

Earl, We think differently, that much should be obvious no? Were it not for the "evidence that is objective" with scientists and medical doctors to rule out fraud, we wouldn't be interested in ANY spiritual practice at all. You don't grasp that, and that's ok because it's not important to you. If what we have is all we ever get, and mastering that leads us nowhere else, we are fine with that. It seems like it is you who has the problem with it. "What's the point in not actually practicing it?" I am not sure what is meant by that, we all practice, just not as much as we would like to because work doesn't allow it.

To you as well.

Goodbye Brian.

Starjumper, I am not interested your opinions or advice, I do wish you the best however. Goodbye, and best wishes.

I'll take that as you'll accept "evidence that is objective".

Starjumper, You are the last person on earth I want to be taking advice from. Best wishes.

If it bothers you that much, I can change the verbiage to "evidence that is objective", instead of "objective evidence".

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