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Unfortunately just talking about where I am right now would trigger another 40 pages of argument. The best I can do is tell people to come see this for themselves, or don't.

Sounds like a plan thelerner, show us an art with at least as much evidence behind it as MoPai, and we'll hop right on over on that train.

The school is now closed to all that aren't Indonesian or Chinese, seeking him out will do no good.

thelerner, I want to tell you sincerely we do the absolute best we can do. We present the evidence of John's investigation with scientists and medical doctors present in a controlled location to rule out fraud, and we present the teachings passed along via Jim, Kosta. Any serious student who pursues it WILL experience the same things we all have, and even the strongest Atheist skeptic couldn't deny their own first hand observations. That is the best we can do, we can do no better. If this isn't good enough for you, stick with whatever practice you think is better. Best wishes.

We present the evidence of John's investigation with scientists and medical doctors present in a controlled location to rule out fraud, and we present the teachings passed along via Jim, Kosta. Any serious student who pursues it WILL experience the same things we all have, and even the strongest Atheist skeptic couldn't deny their own first hand observations. Surely it would be better to be born ethnically Chinese, rich so you never have to work, and could study, meditate, and train 24 x 7 directly with John himself. Unfortunately we don't have that option, we only have what we have. Show us another system that has at least as much evidence behind it as MoPai, and we'll drop MoPai and pursue it instead. In your discussion of MoPai you allow the nonsense posts as valid, and reject Jim and Kosta as idiots who have no clue what they were taught. This is so bizarre and utterly backwards it makes my brain bleed.

My god man. Jim and Kosta ARE THE ONLY TWO AUTHORITIES THAT CAN BE QUOTED, THERE IS NO ONE ELSE. Jim was tested personally by Chang level by level, and like it or not, he actually did go further than the majority of the Indonesian students. Your post is anything but serious discussion on MoPai, it has nothing at all to do with it. Also we have no idea who these people claiming to be Indonesian students really are, we had one who registered on our forum, claiming to be an Indonesian student using a proxy server, later it was discovered he was in the USA. One of the "Indonesian" students here uses words that are only in use in the USA and just recently coined, so if you don't watch US television you wouldn't even know about it, that also raises my suspicion.

It depends on what the cup is full with.

Unsure, but I will tell you he is not related to our group. At first I thought he was looking for information on MoPai, turns out someone already filled his cup with nonsense.

The only solution that would make you happy earl is to lie about who we are and what we are about. The whole premise of only studying arts for which there is good objective evidence with scientists and medical doctors to rule out fraud, and your own first hand observations, is somehow offensive to you.

Yes he is having a serious discussion on something, on what I am not sure. https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/44486-long-men-pai-nei-gong-and-mo-pai/?do=findComment&comment=761571

No.

It is not possible to have a serious discussion on this topic here in an open forum, other members have tried and been banned for it for no reason while remaining polite. It is not tolerated by the community or administration, and we aren't even going to try.

Specifically the bottle of air duster that I was holding stated it was R-134a on the MSDS. R-134a, R-143a, R-152a refrigerants are in use for air dusters, all of these are refrigerants, but the person I was speaking with was convinced it was not any form of refrigerant.

One of the Indonesian students here uses terms that are only in use in the USA, something even an Indonesian who speaks great English wouldn't know about unless they watched American TV each day. We had a member who tried to pass themselves off as an Indonesian student using a proxy, they turned out to be from the US. If you aren't going to allow what Jim and Kosta were taught, then what the *********** are you doing with that thread? Seriously, why even have it? Sure you can talk about MoPai, so long as you don't quote the only two authorities on the topic that you can quote. So far virtually every word in every post of that thread has nothing to do with MoPai, and serves only to misguide and delude people seeking the real deal.

If things like that would work, I would Kar3n, they don't they only make you the bad guy.

The can I was holding was R134a

I think Earl what you aren't grasping is I have no problems functioning in social situations in real life, just that the interactions are not real, they are fake at least on my end. I treat such interactions as part of my work, another aspect of the job I am required to fulfill, and even though it makes me empty and hollow inside I have to do it because that is what is required of me to survive. People like myself are tired of the social games, and nonsense, and want more than anything to find others like ourselves, so we can have a community, so we don't have to fake being someone or something we aren't.

As a specific example, if you want to argue over an established fact that can be verified as true, e.g. gas duster is R134a refrigerant, then I will let you win the argument, but right you off as a lost cause. I would pretend to be your friend where social norms mandated it, but would want nothing more to do with you, and would unfriend you from facebook, and block you as soon as social norms allowed. I hope answers your question.

You know what Earl, I do get along with people in life, but those relationships are completely fake. We were outside yesterday and I commented about pretty the dogwood trees were. Someone said those aren't dogwood trees, and so I said, hmm... I think you are right. They are dogwood trees, I double checked. Someone picked up a can of air duster and said I wonder what is in this stuff.. and I replied R134a refrigerant, the same thing in your air conditioner or refrigerator, and it sparked a big discussion on how that couldn't be true to which I agreed how wrong I was. It is R134a, look it up. Believe it or not, I don't argue with these people in real life, because I know facts and proof don't matter and won't convince them, and it only winds up with me being the bad guy. As a matter of fact I don't talk about anything other than what is on TV with them, and their opinions are always the right ones. I am their pretend friend, but I want nothing to do with them. All relationships in real life are completely and totally fake, save for a few REAL friends who actually care about reality. The reason I post honestly here, is we are looking for other REAL people like ourselves, not more fake nonsense like this. If all of the people who are like us stay cloaked and hidden as you suggest we do, we will never find one another. We will all be pretending to be a part of the herd, wearing fake wool, and never be able to identity one another.

That is something I couldn't say without feeling I was intentionally being deceptive and disingenuous. Essentially what you are saying is don't post here, or lie about who you are and what you are about.

OK so how exactly should we say: We are interested ONLY in systems which have objective evidence with scientists and medical doctors present in a controlled location so as to rule out fraud. We are NOT interested in hearing your unsubstantiated claims, or accepting some practice is legitimate and valid based on faith. How exactly would you word that while still being 100% upfront and honest about it?

We are only interested in systems which can be validated in the presence of scientists and medical doctors at a controlled location so as to rule out fraud. We aren't interested in things people claim, we need more than personal testimony and faith. Our mindset, our ideology, our epistemology, that is what offends you, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.

No Brian, I am not going to play these games with you. Go find someone else.

Oh, I have no doubt you think the opposite There have been several other videos, like that of Jiang, but unless scientists and medical doctors were present in a controlled location to rule out fraud we have never been fascinated or interested in them. The fate quote was from the movie you posted a picture of.

Not I, but our group, and no.