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Yes, and we see what "results" those traditions get, you might as well strap a magnet to your head and spin in circles because the end result is the same. There are those that want something that has the level of objective evidence seen for MoPai, and a system they can self verify without having to have faith. For those people we can offer them more than any other path I am aware of.

I'll take that as a no. Posting in a PPD even though I have control over that thread, doesn't stop other people from doing things like this: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/44515-also-my-personal-experiences-arent-all-puppies-and-rainbows-most-of-them-are-very-dark-and-that-doesnt-sell-well-people-want-to-be-reassured-that-everything-is-going-to-be-ok-and-there-is-no-way-to-say-otherwise-without-becoming-the-bad-guy/ This result would occur, things I said in response to you would trigger tons of other arguments here, or be used as ammo later on. If it were in private, AND you were under NDA so you could be sued into the dirt if broke the NDA, and this was the last time you got to discuss (troll) the topic of MoPai online, maybe it would be worth the hundreds of hours I would have to sink into arguing with you.

This sort of thing is exactly what I was talking about, and exactly why I can't discuss it in public. Strangely you copy and paste my words for your title but instruct everyone not to talk about what they were originally referring to.

If you were to sign an NDA with a large monetary penalty attached, with the agreement that it was the last time you discuss MoPai online, and it occurred in a private forum, then I might consider it, otherwise not worth my trouble.

Aeran, Unfortunately how this will play out is 5 or 6 questions, will turn into 500 sub points of argument, and then everyone and their brother will show up to argue more, so make that another 500 each per member that shows up, and somewhere around page 100 of this thread I will be banned for no apparent reason other than I am annoying someone who sits on a ban hammer, or the thread gets locked and you strut of as if you are victorious. There is no way I can win here, were this a private forum, and I had you under a NDA where you couldn't legally come back and discuss what we talked about here, maybe it would be worth the months of my life I'd have to sink into arguing with you. To be honest it's just not worth it to me. I hope that satisfies you a bit more.

If you say so, goodbye and best wishes.

As nicely as possible: I could not care less about your questions. I explained to you we aren't having this conversation, and were not. That's the end of the road for us here friend, and I hope you comprehend that. Goodbye and best wishes on your path.

I am not sure "don't want to" is an accurate statement. In the past certain aspects of training were discussed in public and used to beat other members over the head with at every turn. Want to, but can't due to the hostile environment, would be a better statement. Also you assume that the people we are looking for care about personal testimony, and think like you do. That assumption is incorrect. The people we are looking for are starving for something real, and are sick of all these imaginary systems. They want hard objective evidence, and a system they can validate via their own first hand observation. For people with that mindset, we can offer them quite a lot. People who will believe anything just because Joe Blow on thedaobums claims he talked to ascended cloud master in Ecuador, not so much.

There is a limit to what the administration here allows for, and the fight you want to pick is outside the scope of that. With all due respect, I wish you the best but want nothing more to do with you. Goodbye and best wishes.

Goodbye my friend.

A cult where you base your beliefs on the best objective evidence available to you, and your own first hand observations. If we are a cult, it is a cult of rationality and free thought.

That certainly is one way to spin it Earl. More accurately our position is, Here is the evidence, here is the practice go see for yourself the truth of the matter, base your beliefs on your own first hand observations. We aren't interested in anything that doesn't have at least the same degree of objective evidence behind it that MoPai does, and we aren't interested in personal testimony. If that seems rude and insulting, too bad so sad.

Goodbye Aeran, Our conversation is finished here.

Your questions will remain unanswered here, because no matter the answer it will be used as a ammunition to attack and criticize. Kosta realizes he has to send seekers in some direction, and he chose Tibetan Buddhism, but it is a dead spiritual path. Even the few beginning levels of MoPai offer more than anything it could offer us.

Because personal interaction isn't possible, this is something each person has to see directly for themselves. It should be pretty obvious no? Too look for others who are tired of systems that have no good objective evidence behind them, and cannot be validated via first hand observation, and want a system that does and can be. I realize you are trying to be nice here, but to be honest this comes off more as patronizing than anything else. I don't see how you could know exactly what we are talking about and not be on the roof of your house screaming about it. What I am talking about is real, like touching a live 220v line to your tongue real, like you were just in a car accident, and are bleeding out your ears real. What we see here are lots of people who do pretty dances, and talk about philosophies, but no one concerned with things that can be proven absolutely to exist on this level. This is something different, something real, something tangible, something anyone can see for themselves without faith in anything or anyone.

Not a topic for discussion here.

When I was a child I grew up with a sense of security. 2+2=4, up is up, down is down, left is left, and right is right. There is no such thing as the Bogeyman, there is no such thing as ghosts. When we die we go to heaven. Everything is going to be alright. MoPai took all that, and hit me upside the head with a Louisville slugger. My entire view of the universe pulled backwards up my intestinal track and forced me vomit it out on the sidewalk. Now, I don't know where the **** I am, or what is going on. All I know is the entire paradigm that was forced into my skull since birth was a bunch of bull****. What is so frustrating is interacting with people so blissfully unaware of the reality available to them, just below the surface, and so convinced it doesn't exist.

The problem that you are not grasping Kar3n is that there is no way to talk about our experiences and not have everyone look at us like we have three heads. This isn't something that can be believed on personal testimony, anymore than claiming to have talked to aliens. This is something that can only be believed via your own first hand observation. If someone else claimed to have experienced the sames things I have, I would have to dismiss them as delusional. Also my personal experiences aren't all puppies and rainbows, most of them are very dark, and that doesn't sell well. People want to be reassured that everything is going to be ok, and there is no way to say otherwise without becoming the bad guy. MoPai exists to fix a problem most don't believe exists, and wouldn't believe were true if they were told about it. Again it is something that requires you to see directly for yourself to believe it. Furthermore we aren't interested in speaking with people that would be swayed or convinced by personal testimony, we want rational, logical, critical thinking individuals that are willing to come see for themselves. Anyone who would just accept the words of some random person online is someone we can safely rule out as a prospect.

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I think at least for me personally this is so frustrating because this is serious, this is something that would change the way humanity looks at the universe, it isn't a faith based belief, but rather a matter of fact that anyone can come see for themselves. Having a bunch of people laugh and joke about it is maddening, because it is something that could change everything. Imagine having the cure for cancer, and proof of it, only to have everyone on earth refuse to listen, and refuse to examine the evidence because "it's too good to be true". I believe something similar happened to the doctor who originally discovered germs, Ignaz Semmelweis. He proved that by disinfecting instruments with chloride of lime, washing linens, and strict hygiene and hand washing that he could bring the death rates of pregnant mothers and babies down to the level seen by midwives. Prior to this they were 9 times more likely to die because of infection if they used a doctor instead. They treated him as insane even though he could absolutely prove the numbers, a direct cause and effect relationship. At that time germs were crazy talk, and his constant writing to medical journals and societies eventually caused them to have him committed to an insane asylum where ironically he was cut and died of septicemia (bacterial blood poisoning). So that's where we are, here with proof of some new frontier, that until this point has only been probed by a handful of people out of billions, and no one cares, and no listens. It's all crazy talk. So yeah it is maddening.

“At the deepest level, there are really only three kinds of aura,” he continued, “white, black, and yellow. These colors reflect the innermost essence of our being. A white aura is that of a soul who is good at heart, a black aura is of one who is evil in the end. A yellow aura is that of a person who is at complete peace with the Universe. In our school, one must have attained this tranquillity to pass on to Level Four.”

I wonder if you guy's would dislike us less if "MoPai" people like X2471990 weren't in the picture. If you guys only knew the struggle we went through with people worse than him even.

Yup was nice "chatting" with you people while it lasted.

X2471990, I would change the wording of that post as soon as possible or the mods here will suspend you over it.

X2471990, I would change the wording of that post as soon as possible or the mods here will suspend you over it.