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Don't feel bad Void, I thought he was interested in learning mopai, only to find out his cup was already filled with disinformation. I wasted lots of my own time and energy, and my account here for nothing.

If you want to provide a video of scientists and medical doctors investigating this person, I'll be happy to look at it, but it sounds like what you are offering is to talk to others who here to can verify his legitimacy. Most of the people here think lone man pai is a real system, so I am not interested in their opinions. If you have real evidence send it on over, otherwise you are wasting your time, and mine.

I'll take that as a no.

Was the doctor in Singapore investigated by a team of scientists and medical doctors in a controlled location, and can you provide video evidence of this occurring? If yes sign me up, if no I am not interested in the claims of others here on this forum.

Maybe you do have the real deal, but without the same degree of evidence John Chang provided it just remains an unsubstantiated claim. Ultimately it boils down to evidence, anyone can claim anything, but few can demonstrate what John did before scientists and medical doctors in a controlled environment. If we accepted all claims at face value we would be perusing lone man pai

According to John there are handful like himself alive. So if you found one of these beings out of the billions of people here on earth you are more than just lucky. That is an event like winning a five hundred million dollar jackpot in the lottery. More likely what I suspect is that you met someone who demonstrated an illusion, infrared lasers, negative ion generators, and lots of other things can give a person the illusion of abilities like John. Whatever you found so long as you are convinced it was real and are satisfied with that, more power to you. The effects John was able to display are not and never have been the end goal of the system, they are merely mile markers along the path. The end goal is something most here hate even worse than the abilities displayed, so it's best not to even bring that up, but no we are not looking to become Goku or shoot thunderbolts.

You are thinking of long men pai, voidisyinyang is referring to lone man pai. http://lonemanpai.com

voidisyinyang, We are not associated with lonemanpai, and dislike them probably even more than you do. One of the major reasons no one takes us seriously is the guilt by association with guys like them. Earl Grey, While certainly almost anyone on earth could become like John Chang with the prerequisite training, the truth is there are only a handful like him because either no one can find the correct methods and or dedicate the time required to achieve anything of note. So while what he can do isn't special in the sense that most on earth could do it too, he is special in the sense that only a handful out of billions have. You talk about being better people, being humble, forgiving, inner peace, all that jazz. That's nice and all but has absolutely nothing at all to do with the point of the Mo Pai system. Unfortunately the end goal is something that only causes more arguments so I'll leave you to speculate. Starjumper, I actually remember the tirade that caused you getting the boot. When asked for good evidence of your system like John provided, you started flipping out about your ascended masters being able to eat John for breakfast. At that point the forum owner and administration decided you were probably not a good fit for the community. Sorry it didn't work out for you, but you are amongst kindred spirits here I assure you. I should let you know that we do not worship John Chang, and that if another system and another teacher on John's level displayed his abilities before scientists and medical doctors in a controlled environment we would drop all interest in Mo Pai to pursue that system. Good hard objective evidence gathered with scientists present to rule out fraud is what we are looking for, we revere but do not worship John. There certainly are a lot of western "marketers" selling things. Hern Heng AKA Sifu Lin AKA Naziri, is a big one who sells books on Amazon filled with disinformation, just as one example. We aren't selling anything, we just want to find like minded people and to help them free of charge.

To All, So here is an example of a personal attack, if we were to say anything remotely this rude it would be grounds for a ban, not that won't happen anyway because according to the administration here politely responding to such is "trolling". To Wu Ming Jen, I want you to know I am personally offended by your rude comment, I consider being called a rotten seed a personal attack against the TOS here on this website. I assume when you talk about two Americans you mean Kosta Danos, and Jim McMillan, Jim was American, Kosta was Greek. Jim went further than most Indonesians did, so underplaying his level of achievement insults both me and his memory. Next we are not marketing or selling anything. We merely present the evidence of Chang being investigated by a team of scientists and medical doctors in a controlled location, being stripped to his shirt and his underwear and checked with a metal detector before displaying his abilities. We provide that evidence and we preserve Jim McMillan's and Kosta Danaos's words exactly as they provided them without change. These men learned directly from John Chang himself, Jim going further than any western student. Our group are not rotten seeds, we merely dedicate our spare time to offer help to those who sincerely want it, and for free I might add. Nothing is asked for in return.

For anyone wanting a translation from pr speak to English, this is a shot across the bow saying shut up or we will do it for you

Kar3n, No thanks, we both know exactly how it is going to end because it's been done before many times. I appreciate the offer though. /s

I would say the vast majority of people who seek Mo Pai do so to become Goku, and they never realize that is not the end goal of the system. (Please do not ask me what the end goal is because it would start a fight here.) We wind up with all sorts of mentally unstable people who are ADHD, Bipolar, or some form of personality disorder being drawn to Mo Pai like moths to a flame. I would not say that Mo Pai is kept secret so much as actively repressed, any time any real conversation about it comes up a riot occurs. People make up nonsense practices and try to convince others they are real Mo Pai. The end result is all you can find is either misinformation, or an epic flame war. To be honest it just is not possible to talk about it in public without a riot occurring, so it is best to find private communities that can screen out trolls and unbalanced individuals. I hope that answers your questions.

You do realize they have banned an entire group of people that made sure everything they said here on this forum was as polite as possible while defending their teachers and practice right? The only way members of our group can remain a part of this forum is by remaining silent on the topic of Mo Pai whenever it comes up. There is no way a reasonable person can conclude it is treated the same way, or that everyone here has a voice. Do you remember when Jim McMillan died? The posts were not respectful at all instead they all screamed how Mo Pai caused his prostate cancer, and never mentioned the fact the specific type of prostate cancer he died of was specifically linked to his Agent Orange exposure. They further disrespected him by saying he misunderstood what he was taught by John, completely ignoring the fact John personally tested him, and determined him ready to progress level by level in the system. Can you imagine if some teacher like Michael Lomax died of prostate cancer, and someone said his system caused his cancer, and that he got sick because he misunderstood what his teachers taught him? There would be a riot, and you know it. In our case members who politely rebuked those claims just got banned. People from our group who come here to stop the spread of such misinformation even though we are as polite as humanly possible are banned as "Trolls", and to be honest it just is not true. The truth is only those who are against Mo Pai, and those who sell fake teachings they created and market as Mo Pai are allowed a voice here on this forum.

X2471990, While what Marblehead said is true, it's only one very narrow angle of the full story. If you dislike Mo Pai and want to trash talk the practice itself, people like Jim McMillan or Kosta Danaos, or even John Chang you are encouraged to do so here on this forum. Members that are polite to a fault, and stand in defense of this practice, or its teachers absolutely will be banned here. I know this for a fact to be true as I've seen members here banned for no reason at all, or even for things they said on another forum and not here on thedaobums. This community and more importantly its administration do not tolerate actual students of Mo Pai from politely defending themselves, their practice, or their teachers from slander, false accusations, or general trolling. Ironically the community and administration are tolerant of those who make up some new practice they invented and call it Mo Pai, or who want to scam you for money. What I am trying to convey to you is anyone here who could actually help answer your questions is not going to be allowed to do so. You will be left to be told how stupid this practice and all who follow it are, or be filled with misinformation by people who invent new practices they call Mo Pai and represent themselves as authorities on the subject. If you genuinely want information on the practice of Mo Pai, this forum is the last place you need to be.

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