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Everything I can find in English or Chinese says he died in 1995 (well before his style ran afoul of the authorities). Even all the sites promoting his material say he is dead (if they mention his existence). Can you see how your claim would be greeted with some skepticism? Can you provide us with more information, please?

[i consider this thread closed now. I will no longer reply to or even read posts here (stopped somewhere on pg 13). If you would like to contact me, send me a PM, though I am not sure if I will be at this site often.] Boring, rambling post Society for the Chee Numb. I first studied the internal arts just over a quarter century ago. After a few years I gave up because since I was a kid I had had messed up posture, and that just wasn't compatible with this stuff. Not a lazy slouch cured by someone saying "Sit up straight!" Rather, thoracic kyphosis. I had a visible hunch in my teens and twenties; not like Quasimodo, but it was a chunk of muscle. It has improved over the years due to certain things I have done, but it is still pretty stiff and I can not sit or stand truly straight. I can not sit cross-legged due to tight hips, which I and others theorize either as the cause or the result of the kyphosis. This is a soft tissue issue, not a bone issue. I can't feel chee. Never could. I think this may be because of my kyphosis (I know how important the back is in terms of chee), but that is just speculation. Some of my classmates could feel chee in a serious way. My teacher was very welcoming of my skepticism, though I think he considered me to be a little slow in the chee-head If I do standing stake (站樁), the musculature around my thoracic area seizes up within minutes, and can even be numb right along the spine by ten minutes or less. Decades of poor neuron firing habits. I was listening to an interview recently with John Upledger, son of the osteopath of the same name who brought craniosacral therapy to the masses. It came up in the interview that some people just can't seem to feel the craniosacral rhythm -- their own or another person's. Maybe some people just can't feel chee, in spite of considerable practice? I had a super teacher, and some of my classmates made good progress. I know that some people take to it quickly, while others take more time. There is a tai chi teacher in Canada on Youtube who's been doing tai chi for I think 30+ years and says chee, in the sense of meridians and such, is not something he has felt or thinks is real. I would feel a few wriggles here or there, but if I wasn't expecting anything, I would have thought of them as random nerve firings. My teacher was big on the idea of not telling students what to expect, and telling them not to expect chee to manifest in a certain way. That's all very nice, but if you went to a gym or went jogging, and months or years later had no sense of improvement, how long do you think you would stick with it? The enjoyment of the process comes out of the improvement. If you learned drawing or piano and never improved, you would not enjoy it. The process is enjoyable because we learn. If there are meridians and whatnot, if I could heal people with chee, well then I would like to be able to feel chee. I have known a few sane and sober persons who assure me they feel chee in a concrete way and can work with it and such -- and known many others who just bs-ed their chee ability, IMHO. Lots of other people take the Reiki approach of just imagine you can feel chee, even if you can't, but that's not my style. I did the first two levels of Reiki, and while my class partner for each level (two different people) reported feeling things when I worked on them that made me think they had dropped acid, I felt it was all a ridiculous scam (maybe scam is a bit harsh, as that implies intention to cheat; the teacher seemed to believe what he was doing was useful). I started doing cheegong on my own a few weeks ago (no money for class right now), and am feeling some more wriggles here and there than in the past, and now an electromagnetic feeling in one posture, but I am wondering what I can do to really figure this out. Maybe it is just about getting the back beaten into shape, or maybe it is something else. I know the idea is that everyone has chee and your chee is flowing if you are still alive, but are you convinced that everyone can get to the point where they can feel _and_ manipulate chee? If not, I would just do tai chi. Tai chi is fun for me, healthy, and my back is good enough now that I can do it with some improvement and not a lot of tension. I welcome thoughts from knowledgeable persons. PS Please don't tell me to talk to my body, listen to my body, feel my body, dissolve the tension, ask my body what is wrong or why it is angry, et cetera. I can't . I've been that route before, with counseling and hypnosis (having read books that suggested that my back could be caused by something in my head) and nothing came of it. My body had nothing to say, except "%^&!, you want me to write another check?" I can tell any other part of my body to relax, and it will to some extent, but that area won't. The only time I am mostly unaware of my thoracic tension is when I am lying on my back.

I consider this thread closed now. I will no longer reply to or even read posts here. If you would like to contact me, send me a PM, though I am not sure if I will be at this site often.

Most days I can't sign out. I can click "Sign Out" as much as I want, I am still signed in. Not the end of the world, but since the option is there, why can't I?

Cheya, you said one must get the balls with chimes. Why?

Don't believe very much of what you read about what one sees in parks in China (tai chi, qigong, levitation, people running backwards, etc). Actually, the last thing I mentioned you will see in Chinese parks.

Almost a pound a pair, must chime, material they are made of is not important, 2-3 inches in diameter. Have I got that right? Do you work up to three or four per hand, or just stay with two? Both hands at once? Direction of the movement? Why is the chime important? That means stone is out. Is this a useful exercise?

Peter Ralston doesn't talk about chee. Rasmus talks about fascia (and he's right, and Ralston does it but didn't know what he was using). Clear talks about both chee and mechanics; he differentiates their uses though. I think here he would say this is just mechanics, but I don't know for sure (though yes he uses the term fa jin, but it does not seem to be in a chee sense). My former internal arts teacher did this sort of thing (and more), and he said it was mechanics, not chee. Chee was a separate force for my teacher (e.g. he did vibrating palm), as it is for Clear. You see, with this thread I want to know if chee is real in the sense that it is not just something a few freaks of nature can do.

I have done exercises just like you describe (though not a skillet), by myself and with a professional hypnotist. If lying on my back, everything can relax really well (by the fifth session), but not my thoracic spine area. I can not feel my blood flowing, except in a few locales that are obvious. Thanks for playing! Standing or sitting? I have covered that.

Hi there! It's been so long I will have to go back through the thread to see when we talked before. "I think it is fine to practice taijiquan, bagua, xingyi, and qigong without "feeling Qi" at all." Me too, except for chee gong, since that is the whole purpose. Still, even for the other arts, most teachers seem to think they ought to involve chee to some extent. But they certainly are beneficial without feeling chee. "I may be totally off base and, if so, my apologies." No need to apologize, just change the way you approach things. If I wasn't open to change, how I could have spent so much time with an exercise program Cheya recommended and now be asking her lots of questions on and off thread about tai chi ruler and stick, and baoding balls? For that matter, if someone wants to chime in on their experience with Flying Phoenix chee gong as taught by Terry Dunn (I know there is an endless thread for it here) or Zhineng Qigong, those are also on my short list I would do standing meditation, maybe exclusively, if I could, but that has been explained more than once by me on this thread. Open does not equal agreement. I can be open to an idea and still reject it.

Thanks for posting! This is another interesting example of one of the aspects of this that I keep talking about. Some teachers agree with your teacher. Other teachers, and they can fling you across the room, don't give a rats bottom about qi; they think it is mechanics, microcontractions of the muscles (like what makes animals so strong, pound for pound), stuff like that. I'm not even saying who's right, I am just pointing out again (Steve, are you listening ) that there are giant disagreements by highly skilled people. This leaves the novice scratching his head.

Are there any particular balls, videos, books that you would recommend? When I tried and was not into it in the past, it could be that I had not used the right balls.

Cheya, since you are into tai chi ruler, this old book might be of interest, though you likely have already seen it.

Yes, people are killing innocent people, therefore we will no longer worry about lesser things. I will try that if I get pulled over for speeding Is it conceivable that you could be offended by something someone said in their post? I do not understand how anyone has forced their opinion on you. You forced an opinion on others with your post that clearly was gratuitous. But somehow you say that what you do is a joke or an opinion, but when others disagree they are forcing their opinion on you? The whole issue for me is how out of context and gratuitous it was. I can and do talk about all manner of (what some would call) unseemly things with my friends, but some things I would not share here, because it is a public forum. A mental filter is a useful thing to have because we don't need to share all our opinions with all people at all times. And since I started this thread to talk about chee, I feel responsibility for this thread, even though I am not a moderator/administrator. Surely that is not difficult to understand? I want others to feel comfortable talking about chee. If they are offended by discussing chee, then I would take your tack and say too bad

I think spooky tooth should go see a dentist. Jimi was telling a story which is a little different from quoting some musician I think few people have ever even heard of in a thread about chee (although it is less and less so, not that I can help that; I wish thread OPs could control their threads). I don't have to ignore your posts. You could ignore mine if you like . You are using a free speech defense while telling others they can't disagree with you. Almost as odd as "BTW There is a lot of violence in real life. Should we not talk about that too?" which makes no sense. Clearly a wholly out of context joke, in the wrong place. There is a time and a place for everything (I said as much in different words on another thread we participated in). I think you know this too.

There are plenty of bad things in real life. We can talk about them, but making fun of things is different, isn't it? More importantly, perhaps, isn't there a difference between a public forum and what you might say hanging out with your friends? If you and I were having pizza and talking about the waitress, that conversation might be a wee bit different from what I would say on some place like TDB; would you wish such lines did not exist? There was a Simpsons episode about this . . . .

Marblehead? There really are marbles in there? If you had said "One of my ladies told me that," it would have been funny (I say stuff like that). If you had said "One of my ladies told me that, and I said that because you such a ho", that would be funny. Violence is not funny (unless maybe if it's something like this).

I actually showed up yesterday evening, and some of the luminaries from this thread were there. I of course felt nothing But they are a very nice bunch!

Not sure I understand. A third party, not one of those there for feeling chee, was bothered by what exactly? I PMed you just now. I am in front of the computer sporadically Are you generally on at certain times of the day or night?

Please, tell us some more. Yeah, David and Jeff have a good idea.

Could you actually feel the energy you were sending to your elbow, or this was imagery on your part?

Marblehead, I like you, but that is a pathetic answer. Your a chee tease! Jim specifically asked for "a show of hands from anybody who is willing to tell us how they have used their Chi . . . " You raised your hand.

The Chinese way is to attribute everything and anything to chee, even outside of the martial arts or qigong. My thread is much narrower in focus. Certain people claim to be able to feel chee: feel it in meridians, feel it all over, feel others (without getting slapped). They claim to be able to direct it: to move their chee around their body, or into another's body. In fact, my former internal arts teacher did vibrating palm . . . I have zero interest in chee as a vague concept or catchall, like the ancient Romans talking about the Etruscans. I am talking about persons who know, or systems that teach, the concrete use of chee as an isolated force of its own; people who claim to be able to heal others by _consciously_ altering something in the workings of the patient's chee system. Not Reiki. Can you make me feel your chee? That is what I am asking. Anything else is an illusion, as noted several times in this thread already.

Lot of posts for a Friday afternoon. Your employers must be proud of you all

You can do all that? You must be quite the wizard. Care to share what you studied and what you learned?