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Please forgive me if i say things which are wrong. 1 - There are secrets which protect themselves. "You need to learn from a teacher" can have this kind of meaning. For instance, you cannot understand the taste of something never-before-tasted without someone cooking it for you. People may say "it tastes like chiken, but juicier".... well, will you start eating various meats and when you find some chicken which is juicier than normal, that means you found the right meat? The same thing applies to many, many esoteric aspects of reality - the secret protects itself. For instance, i used to think prana, qi and reiki were the same thing until i began practicing a bit of yoga, became an acupuncturist and was initiated in reiki. They are different - as for HOW they differentiate amongst themselves, well... it's the feeling, the effects, the things they do inside and outside of you... basicaly everything, lol ._. 2 - This can be either derived out of the persons' own morals or an excuse. People do not like to teach regular humans how to turn batery water into sulphuric acid - because in the process you probably will expose the person to toxic fumes. Not everyone can proudly expose others to knowledge which may dissolve their lungs. That is even quite reckless. It's a matter of the person worried about itself and its own peace of heart than with others... 3, 4, 5 - Didn't understand, sorry. However, i'd like to add that there is a very mundane reason for secrets : Power struggles are a reality, and our day and era may seem void of them (as if they didn't matter anymore), but that is only the proff that someone (or a very small amount of 'someones') have overwelming power above all others. The power struggles will never end, because struggling is the nature of power. As long as we are talking power, and as long as someone cares about power and manages their resources with power in mind, some secrets so shall remain secrets - as much as our "era of information" so allows, of course obs: False information seems to be the prefeered way of dealing with secrets these days. People will release a huge amount of fake information in order to cover up the real secrets and make people misinformed. Excess of information is as much as a poison as it is to have no access at it at all. 6 - Necromancy . Or, if you want to say that the dead don't talk (i disagree), you can always remember that all kinds of esoteric arts have had some kind of beginning, an inception of sorts. It can happen again, regardless of which it is. 7 - Cannot argue in favor or against such idea. My personal feelings, however, are that the score for "accomplishment" in the west has always been too low... (seriously, OBE as the 'peak' of anything is seriously weird). Also, the East have too many people which we don't know anything about. So, i keep having faith that most accomplished people are in the East. Otherwise, it would be just sad... 8 - Sport is very different from martial arts. Sambo and Muay Thai, for example, are well known for not holding any kind of "competitions". That's because they're really deadly. Traditional Judo, Gong-Fu, as well as Aikido and other such martial arts are made to break bones, crush things in your body which can go "pop" and squish organs. I believe we cannot compare both, sorry.
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Greetings. This is a simple topic. In TCM we have Jing (essence) divided into prenatal essence and postnatal essence. However, there is another name for it. Pre-Heaven Jing and Post-Heaven Jing. If i'm not wrong, the Ba Gua exists also in a Pre-Heaven (or Primordial) sequence and a Later (Post-Heaven ?) sequence. Please note i'm still very inexperienced in Yijing. Anyway. Is there any relation between Pre-Heaven and Post-Heaven in both systems? If there is, then this could explain why Pre-Heaven Jing cannot be restored in the body (once the Kidneys start to form it would have entered them and no more Pre-Heaven could be formed, since the embrio would feed from the mothers' Yuan Qi instead of storing and purifying it), alas Post-Heaven Jing is continously created. Thanks for your time.
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I have used Tarot as both a way to magicaly work my energy (back when i used the 7-chakra system), magical weapons and also power sources for a personal altar i once assembled. It worked wonders. As long as you tap into the tarot symbols the right way, there are a lot of mysteries, powers, entities and energies you can access and, then, use them for whatever purpose you have. I cannot tell you the way i used, however, since i don't know how to do it, haha. I just sensed the energy and used the cards as portals, weapons and so on. I'm very sensitive to the energy the Rider Waite tarot emits continuously, so.... it was kinda easy, but highly unconcious. I just followed my inspiration on the moment.
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Thecnicaly speaking, it is impossible to restore your prenatal Jing. What can be restored is your postnatal jing. You prenatal jing can be reforced or purified, even making you look younger (some people seem to look 10 years younger after a few sessions) but its amount will forever remain the same. To reforce and purify your prenatal jing, choose points like VC4 and E36 for moxibustion. There are some which are specific for that purpose, but i don't remember them by name right now.
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I don't know about practice details, but there are emotions which will make you have low amounts of Qi, emotions which will make it crazy as if you were drunk, emotions which will make it stagnate around your body and meridians, and emotions which will make it go down your wee-wee (for the explanation of why in accordance to TCM and acupuncture, look at the Spoiler above). Of course, any of those would be harmfull for any qigong practice. "Inner smilling", not only during practice but also at all moments you can, is just finding the right emotions to be able to avoid this shit
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Greetings. I have been seeing some threads on this forum, like the one on "how to gather qi", and it actually made me question the method i have been aplying and it's results. I will sumarize briefily the method i use to do qigong, and also the results i gather from it. I would need to say that i do not use this method daily since i have some personal problems which deeply impact my capability to summon enough diligence and willpower to do so. Anyhow, here it is. First Step: Find a good place. I have a bit of sensitivity to local qi as well as the general psychic atmosphere of places, so my Shen becomes easily disturbed in my own house or in urban landscapes, or even forest landscapes with too much human interaction. I find the qi (or what i believe to be qi) fresher and purer in midly wild regions with low to none human interference. Of course, those are hard to comeby, so i just settle for a natural reserve/park nearby, and try to get there as soon as possible, before people get there and start poluting the place or plainly drainig any amount of qi there is there. Second Step: Use the place's Qi to harmonize and settle the Shen I calm myself by letting my consciousness drift a bit while enjoying the place i have found. Then i lightly separate my feet and bend my knees, just a bit - until my hips are firm on my legs. At this point i'm starting to doze off in a lightly meditative state already. Being in a place with good, natural qi, i can breathe and absorb it in without the need to "close" my consciousness to the surrounding energy, which relaxes me and allows for a more in-dept connection to my own self. Third Step: Start to feel good. Just lift the emotional, mental and energetic blockades i instinctively put on during the day. I'm also a sensitive and a medium (i actually channel spirits on an Umbanda cult place some days of the week, so, yeah, i need to "close myself" to the outside when i'm not in very pure places... which just causes a lot of stress to build up). Fourth Step: Try to find Qi The three initial steps are needed in order for me to find Qi - that is, the one i will actually absorb, and not the envroinmental qi. Why? Well, here is where my practice start to derivate from most i see on the forum, and also where i start to think if i'm doing it wrong. Envroinmental qi is just too little and too heavy? It's usually polluted, and even natural qi from plants early in the morning is usually too humid and damp to be of use. If i put that thing inside of my channels, it just messes everything up. So i try to find a "higher source" of Qi, which i do by using the surrounding qi to fall into a deeper state of counsciousness and then elevate my Shen to the "infinity above". That means to see light (usually white or golden) descending from the universe, from an undetermined point above, directly into the center of my head and then descending all the way to my dantian, where it usually spreads itself rather well. At this point there's also a second difference from most posts i see here : I don't need to suck it in. The qi (or whatever it is i'm channeling) actually just drives itself inside of my body as long as i allow it to. It doesn't need to be sucked out of the environment, and it obeys any mental command as long as it has heart (shen/consciousness) and mind (intention and direction). It comes in much greater concentrations than the local energy, and it feels a lot purer. Fifth Step: Increase the gathering Then i usually see the same energy coming from the "infinite bellow" by my two feet, and then raise my hands to the sides, seeing it coming to my by my hands from the "infinites" on both sides. One weird thing that happens at these moments - it naturally starts to gather on the center of my chest, moving from my dantian to my middletian. At these moments i usually draw it back to the dantian forcefully, as i don't want to risk damaging my heart and lungs due to qigong bad practices... letting qi accumulate on the middle of my chest? I don't have this kind of confidence yet. Definetely. This way i have a four-point entrance of torrential qi, which storms into my body, more and more as i allow it to come by. And here comes another difference - this qi immediately makes me start to sweat. Like, a lot. And this is where things get weird as shit, because this is a smelly sweat, and soon mosquitoes, flys and all sort of insects start to get attracted to me. As i have heard, this shouldn't happen. Yeah, all lifeforms appreciate qi, but no wild animals (the park has quite a number of them, including small monkeys, some mammals and some birds) come closer. Only flys, mosquitoes, ants and such. This sweat also reeks. My grilfriend says it's a rancid smell. Anyhow. At this point i also start to have a weird effect. I feel like this qi is circulating all the way inside of my bones, in the middle of my marrow, and i feel rejuvenated, energetic and very well. My chronicle depression alleviates a lot, and the pain i feel on my body (which is constant) is greatly alleviated. However, this is where things start to get weird. Sixth Step: Breathing At this point i usually start to try and pay attention to my breathing. I try to make a 4-4-0-2 or a 4-4-0-0 breathing, intending to hold this qi inside and have it work on me, while also being retained at my dantian. However, at this point it becomes increasingly difficult to keep connection to this qi, as paying attention to my breathing takes a lot of awareness which is needed to keep a good visualization. Also, when i'm channeling this qi, my body naturaly starts to breathe on a very different manner, and my spontaneous breathing is something like 2-0-4-4 or something like this. Huge exaling times and void retention times, with little to none inhaling time. As i try to "correct" this, i feel a weird sensation of "poisoning", as if this qi was starting to poison me. I postualted that maybe this is removing toxins too deeply etched on my system, and the extreme exhaling breathing maybe is a way to avoid myself being poisoned by it, but i'm not sure. What i am sure is that i start to feel light-headness, muscle aches and a weird feeling of dizzines and nausea, as soon as i start the 4-4-0-2 breathing. Also, it usually doesn't get right again, even if i return to the 2-0-4-4. It keeps going bad until i sever totally the connection to that "infinity qi". If i do it, then about 24hrs later or something, then i will return to my regular self. Until them, i will be feeling hot and damp inside, and also a weird feeling of being "intoxicated". Anyhow. Once in a while i manage to get over this intoxication and manage to proceed to the next step (usually when i let my breathing slip to 4-4-4-4 or 2-4-2-4...). Seventh Step: Qi Gathering. If i manage to not fall to the weird feelings (usually by stop giving so much weight to my breathing and letting it be) i start to use Shen to visualize and manipulate the qi inside my dantian. First i let it accumulate a great deal, always taking care with my back. If i feel lightness or pain on my lower back, then i know i'm doing something wrong (as it means my kidney qi is being used somehow). Usually it happens when i start to try and suck in more of that "infinity qi", which just doesn't work and even cut of the connection with it. Instead, the right state of mind is that of someone who waits patiently until the qi has descended to the dantian, and then just "suggests" to it to stay put instead of going all around. If i do it right, then i will start to feel my whole body lighter and, at the same time, stronger. Also, there will be an energy on my dantian which i can also move freely, as if moving your consciousness inside of your body, needing only to make use of the movement of consciouness to move it. I believe this is the qi used for medical qigong? I don't know for sure. Anyhow, this light starts to gather there, and i accumulate a huge amount, since the next step is a bit dangerous if you don't have enough. Eight Step: Small Purification The eight step is to take all of that accumulated qi and then make it go from my dantian to my perineum. At this moment i contract the perineum and make the energy rise all the way to the mingmen, and then make it go inside and connect back to the dantian. This process consumes HUGE amounts of energy, and when i do it and there is little energy, a HUGE lowerback pain is inevitable. To the point of me needing to sit down for at least thirty minutes before even thinking on giving up on everything and going back home. So, this is a step i only do after accumulating a lot of qi. Now, the effects of this are weird. This qi actualy becomes more like "mine" ? I guess the better way to say would be to say that this qi, which was full of "infinity" and would hardly be contained into my body as it where, then dilutes on my channels and on my mingmen, mostly mixing into my blood and fluids. This makes me feel very good, even if what comes back from this process is just a weird, impure qi which it's usually expelled from my body naturally. After doing this a few times, i stop this process and accumulate more again. After nuturing myself with this qi a few times, i start another process. Ninth Step: Second Orbit After doing the small orbit a few times (accumulating more qi every time i feel it's starting to run low) i accumulate a big amount again, and then do a process which is alike, but different. This time, after sending the qi to the perineum and contracting it, i make the qi to rise all the way to my head, and then follow the rest of the Governor Channel and then to the Conception Channel. If i have put a lot of qi in the process i can feel it go all the way inside my back to my mouth, and then descend to both my stomach and the Conception Vase as well, a part of it being swallowed and another part descending by the front of my body. It makes me feel refreshed and clears my mind, so it's very good. It's also another technique which gives huge backpains if you do it with little "infinity qi" on your dantian, so i don't even think about it. Afther doing it a few times, i feel very well and go to the next and last step... Tenth Step: Energy Pearl / Elixir The tenth step comes as i start a process of consolidating that "infinity qi" into a small pearl inside of my body. It becomes detached from the dantian, and starts to concentrate and actually become a little solid. By using attention, intention and direction, i'm able to order the "infinity qi" inside my dantian to form layer after layer of itself and concentrate on a pearl, which starts to become more and more solid. At this point i have only succeded once. The pearl indeed felt solid, but it didn't solidify my dantian itself. It just stood there, a mass of "infinity qi" of very concentrated nature. I try to see it red most of the times. Now, the effects of this are mostly delicious. This small "pearl" will actually realease qi constantly as it dissolves inside of your dantian, and will be constantly nuturing your body and your channels. Also, if you need a huge amount of energy out of a sudden, it will just dissolve all at once and be used instead of your own energy. I have constant backpain, and much of it is related to me being a medium and having trouble keeping my energy to myself... i actually spend it unconsciously all day, at all times. So this little pearl takes the tool instead of my body, and even nuture it. When i made it i was one of the few days i managed to stay a whole day without backpains. Now, about trying to make the "pearl" whitout going throgh the two previous purifications, i believe it would be impossible. The good feelings it gives are needed to allow one more "freedom of shen", which is needed to better control the "infinity qi" and make the pearl. Without it one would probably be unable to be conscious and sensitive enough to make it. Or at least i haven't been able to. Anyhow. That's how i have been doing qigong so far, whenever i can. Is this right? Is this even qigong? Maybe this "infinity qi" isn't actually the same qi as many forms of qigong, but Reiki, since i'm a Reiki master... Anyhow. If this is Qigong, then i have been fixated on the idea of trying to add another step between the ninth and the tenth... one in which i actually make this qi to circulate on the macrocirculation, going through all of my channels. Problem is, it's just too many darn channels. I'm an acupuncturist, so i know there are a lot more than just 12 and that even those have internal and external paths. To remember all of them would be a hastle, to make qi go through all of them may be too much for me. But maybe i could try and make it happen on one or two. If i am to to try and do so, which meridians do you guys believe i should try first? Thanks everyone for reading this wall of text. Have a good day!
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Technically speaking they do not channel or do anything to me. I'm expected to learn how to do it myself, with the help of the entities. See, i think the way of work of the group hasn't been well understood. There's no one going around making me do stuff or jamming spirits inside of me. There's music, there's people sitting in circles (on chairs) around an open inner circle and there's people meditating by themselves. Then the channeling begins as the mediuns allow themselves to channel. We aren't brought to open ourselves, but rather are instructed to learn how to let go and take back control in order to have the spiritual phenomena happen to us. If we do not allow any spiritual presence or deny anything it intends to do, the spirit is supposed to let go immediatelly. It's one of the rules of the place. The free will of the medium is supreme and should NEVER be questioned or taken. That's a grave offense. They also stimulate study and mental development from us. The mediuns are NOT supposed to be half-witthed fools who give themselves to the spirits, but rather to study and understand WHAT and HOW is happening - even if occidental knowledge is very little in terms of the inner workings of energy inside the body, like the meridians, the bibliography on the outer energy workings (such as auras) is very extense. One way or another, i indeed have never been in touch with the concept of expending time to come back from trance. I believe it is a mostly daoist view ? Coming back abruptly certainly brings consequences. It has happened to me a few times, and it is a bit traumatic. I am, however, learning to become able to come back at my will, smoothly and softly, as this is how i see my elders doing at the place. They do not come back in "jumps" like i do. They enter and leave trance smoothly and in peace. And they do not get out of it by simply being touched by others, as i sometimes do. This is a certain knowledge i have been trying to learn, i guess ? Anyhow. As i said, there's no specific time to enter or to leave trance. Can anyone clarify to me which is the theory behind this idea of expending as much time to return from trance as one expends to enter on it ? I do get into trance very easily, since it's a common thing for me to do (get into and out of trance) since i was a kid ( right now i can do it under one minute if i start concentrating... maybe even faster), so i guess i can expend maybe double or even triple this time to get back if i want to xD I'm the one to thank everyone who answered. Indeed i do believe i have been doing very bad practices, and as i have been progressing on my spiritual development, many, many things have come to pass. Mostly i have become more centered and dropped any qigong "do yourself" practices entirely. I intend to start learning from a teacher once i have the chance. I have also gotten in touch with a spirit which has shown itself to me and helped me with my back pain - it uses a form of shiatsu and seems to be of oriental origin. It has said to me to only work with qigong once i got i good master, so... yeah, no "i will learn from the spirits!" here. Not only that, i have also gotten in touch with some very sensitive aspects of this very back pain i use to feel.... and they do explain some heavy shit i have gotten throught. Thank you very much for everyone who helped !
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Interesting. Well, i don't have any physiologicaly-generated psychosys yet (i just did an eletroencephalogram the other day to know if my channeling was real or just schizophrenia, and the neurologist told me everything was ok and there where no signs of psychosys on a physiological level), so that's not the case, i believe. I have been having psychiatric help for a while, due to chronicle depression, and the psychiatrist also was of opinion that i had no psychosys per se. About dropping practices... I have doing this qigong above out of my own whim, actually. I read a pdf, know a little bit about energy works, know a bit about acupuncture, have practiced some occidental stuff, and decided to try it out. It has nothing to do with the medium/channeling group i belong to. I actually haven't even shownd them the practice yet. I can easily drop it, since it isn't a regular practice or anything. But i probably shouldn't drop my mediun-work practices, since the group i'm trying to become a part of (i'm currently a guest there, and will only become a member, maybe, by aphril) helped me a lot with some higher out-of-control stages (i was in pretty bad shape three months ago) and also have been doing something much like what you have told me - keeping it simple, grounding on more earthly vibrations. About blogs and sermons, i don't usually read those. I try to keep myself only with books and very few blogs, most of them not about channeling, but rather about magic, metaphysics and semiotics. I know i may seem like a freak going around with no idea, but actually my most daring and out-of-controll practice is indeed the one above. I don't fancy channeling as something ultra-special or something. And indeed i know i'm probably being heavily obsediated by external inteligences (some not so inteligent after all). But that's something to work on this mediun-work group. They do have a lot of frontline-guardians and entities which work on binding and restricting these kind of beings to try and regenerate them after regulating how much influence they have on the person. It's a shame they have a 1-month vacancy every year. It's being though without them. The influences are becoming more frequent and stronger =/ Anyhow. Thank you for answering.
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Thanks for the answer. Could you please tell me about the other questions as well, like what is this "infinity qi" and, most of all, about the breathing ? Thanks! Hi. Thank you. I don't actually try to mix reiki into qigong, at least not intentionaly. I have gotten this technique from a qigong pdf and adapted it with use of some acupuncture knowledge (i'm an acupuncturist). About the backpain, it actually gets better when i do the thing right. It just goes wrong when i do the circulations without absorbing enough qi. While the heaviness of head comes when i stop the 2-0-4-4 breathing and start the 4-4-0-2 breathing. Do you know why, or even any other qigong practices which talk about exhalating in order to avoid qi stagnation? I get why my qi would stagnate with 4-4-0-2 breathing (it's a tonic breathing after all), but why would it stagnate with 4-4-4-4 breathing, which should be harmonious ? Is there some need for me to remove qi (maybe impure qi or something) from inside while doing this kind of technique i'm doing? My greatest fear is to be actually doing something very wrong and losing qi instead of retaining it. About the Wei-dan practice, i feel like the order should be reverse. Why should i work with projecting and manipulating qi on the exterior before using it to streghten the interior? Won't it lead merely to disease and early death? After all, if i make a yang tonic before nuturing the yin, it will simply consume the yin inside.
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Quaballah - Tree of Life question
Desmonddf replied to mvingon's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Kether - Daath - Hockmah - Chesed. This is a path from the "Source" to "Kindness". From the Primordial Fountain comes Knowledge, which then generates Impulse. From impulse then comes kindness and compassion. Does it makes any sense for you ? Also, did you ask for any directions from Metraton? Something in special? Did you feel something while you where asking for guidance? Remember that simply asking for it to manifest through dreams may give you totally crazy and wacked messages and riddles. There may be some meaning to them, but not having a clue on how to look at them would make it a lot harder to find the answer. -
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Desmonddf replied to noonespecial's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
There's plenty of proof. Dr. Ian Stevenson has some books on the matter. There is continuity of memory (indeed, i myself remember a little bit of my stay on the astral plane, on what we call "inter-lives period") - however, accessing this memory brings difficult to remember the whole. As much as an amnesic may not remember everything, so it is with past lives memories. You need to recall it, bit by bit, in continuous exploration of your own mind. What continues is a deeper form of mind which is devoid of Ego or Personality, not to mention some superior things. Why people always relate mind with ego ? The ego is just a small sub-product of the mind. Anyone who studied a little bit of Freudian Theory (needed to talk about Ego) knows that the Ego is a product of much larger and titanic forces within - the Superego and the ID, to say the least (not mentionin pre-birth unconscious, which Freud also recognized as existing...). In fact, you don't even have a fully formed ego before you're 7 years old! That's when most of your personality and ego settle in, and to change that you need some pretty intense stuff, for some pretty long time. All memory is preserved. Because it isn't like a movie you store on your mind. It is actual connection from your mind with the Past and the Future. Memory is an insight on being beyond time. So once you reach a higher level of awareness, your mind shall have room to develop enough and to naturally allow this kind of memory to keep existing, yes. What if i tell you that it isn't one "it", but many "it" ? The problem is the perspective that death actually means a lot. Death is just losing your physical body. Everything that isn't physical remains with you. Now, what is and what isn't physical... i can tell some things i have experienced as beying not physical, but that would just smell like lies. It's easier to experience by yourself obs: Our "divine spark" is the so called "Christic Body" or simply our "Body of Will". It is the higher individual stance of existence we have. Yes, higher individual stance. We are collective beings above this. And no, it can't be simply destroyed.... because it exists beyond time and space. How can you destroy something which is a singularity on itself? Sorry, DNA doesn't carry stories. It's just protein and sugar basis which contain information on BODILY construction, not mental. Also, it isn't even all-powerfull in this sense, since ambient factors can determine the activation or deactivation of DNA parts. What you're looking for (things which live in our minds) is either collective unconscious/arquetipes or meme theory (a favorite from Dawkins). Also... is what you're calling "mind" a "brain" ? You may be making wrong assumptions there, since dr.Freud and dr.Jung where VERY specific on saying that the "mind" ISN'T the "brain". That's also why psychiatrists, neurologists and psychologists all treat different illnesses with different methods. They do not share the same field of study, as much as people tend to think they do. If you allow me, there are two missunderstandings on your theory. The first is to believe the energy which keeps the finer bodies alive comes from higher plans of existence. Just like what happens bettwen our physical bodies and our astral body, there is a small amount of energy which interacts between both (in the aetherial body), but it isn't the source of energy for our physical body. It keeps it togheter, but doesn't feed it. Energy from eating feeds it. And in the Astral and Mental plane both things also apply. One needs a constant supply of substance to nuture their astral and mental bodies. So there isn't a single "master powerplant", but, rather, there are many energy sources. About your beliefs, they hold true to a certain extent but on different planes. Many hermetic students draw from different sources and, therefore, mix different kinds of knowledge. The first theory is valid for astral-physical reincarnation. Everyone does it and proof is both on some hermetic books (which talk about necromancy in finer detail, going beyond the typical mistake of evoking pranking spirits, elementals or discarted aetheric bodies of the dead), and physical spiritual phenomenon. As the second is valid for aetheric-physical reincarnation. This one can only be done if you build finer "physical" bodies (with aether, much like one can create qi vessels to hold their souls) which you can then use for a multitude of purposes, one of them being reincarnation. The major difference between both is what composes the new finer bodies you will be getting. Like which monads will you be taking part of, which determine, for instance, which will be your Spiritual Clan and your Spiritual Heritage (which you will need to study beyond hermeticism and into xamanism to explore into greater detail). Those are important, but aren't as big as some hermetic studies make them to be, and don't mean your higher existences or memories will be wiped clean and you will "return to the creator". No more than destroying your current mind and making it back from zero would. That can't destroy who you where (and the individuality of the "divine spark" we carry is actually Unfortunately, the different small "cruzades" the hermetic draw one against another (for instance the Martinists against the Ars Goetia practcionners) avoid for knowledge to be better understood and comprehended. Not to mention their skirmishes with other forms of knowledge. The bigger spiritual evidence is physical phenomenon derived from spiritual effects. Like spiritual healing, materialization of spirits and the such. In fact, past memories should always be checked throughly. Somethimes we create false memories, and we can indeed insert them on ourselves like that. In fact, on regression theraphy, it is a must to not label the products of a regression as real or not - since what has therapeutic value is the effect the thing had in you, the simbolism it carries and how you can deal with present life questions and challenges more positively after seeing it, and not if the thing was real or not. About your past lives and existential questions, i believe they can all be answered with a thought: It's not about transcendence. -
Discussing Reincarnation
Desmonddf replied to noonespecial's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Usually your physical body dies while the other subtle bodies (emotional, mental, etc) live. You can think on that as losing your body but keep being able to feel and think, only on "other world". It is possible to access other people's memories as well as collective memories, but this isn't common. If you can't recognize your existance there then it may be memories from other people, indeed. Try thinking on how you saw the world as a child. Can you relate your infant self to your previous self? If not those memories may not be yours indeed. You saw them on third person? Most of mine where on first person. It was through my eyes. If you saw those memories in third person than you may have experienced indeed dreams, other people's past (not memories, but actively seeing the past through psychic sight) or been subjected to artificial rememoration. There are techniques were a spirit sees your past through psychic sight and then project an image of it in your dreams or your mind directly. However, that isn't regression. Depends. Some people become insane in the emotional world and can't plan anything. Those may be subjected to forced reincarnation. However, most people do participate in their life planning, including details about their future body anatomy. The degree of participation varies from person to person, place to place and hierarchy to hierarchy. Which hierarchy? The ones you subject yourself. For instance, if you do a vow of obedience to the catholic church while alive, this keeps going after death. You can expect for them do remember the vows of servitude you did, that is for sure. Conscienciousness is indeed one thing. However, the dissociation between mind, emotion and consciousness is a process recognized by psychology. Indeed, it is one of the main objectives of psychoteraphy : To allow for the person to notice she isn't what she feels or thinks. But what is a dream? So far the main use i had for those experiences was regarding problems i had with my mind. Old traumas and psychological issues i had to solve, some of which had roots in previous life. One of the most intense ones was a life i couldn't leave my body after death for a period of time. With my emotional body still stuck on it i felt the deterioration process and the semi-mumification due to have died on a place with a lot of sand and sun. This trauma followed me to the present life in a unconscious terror of getting thin, which brought me to obesity. It was only after noticing that, indeed, the past was in the past, that i could start getting healthy again. It can also be used to recover knowledge, as it has happened to me once or twice so far - recovering knowledge on a certain ritual to help a friend of mine, for instance. However, i do agree with you. If one has no uses to memories of past life, then they are not a priority. They may be interesting to entertain, but just like memories of childhood or teen years, there is no reason to become obsessed with them. -
Discussing Reincarnation
Desmonddf replied to noonespecial's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Yes, indeed. Reincarnation is a thing that can take a long time between lives or happen immediately. Each person is a different matter in this subject. Some common lines of work include dealing with the needs of others and submiting yourself to an organization in order to get benefits. Depending on how high on the astral plane you find yourself things can be more or less regular, fantastic or nasty. There's a very "dark" city the astral projectors group i'm a part of calls "gordemonio". Things there revolve around the basic desire of getting ectoplasm of the living (by offerings or plain vampirism) in order to affect the physical plane and power struggles amongst those who live there. An astral colony like "Nosso Lar" revolves around rescuying the nearly dead and specially those who died of cancer in a certain part of Brazil. It's mainly peacefull and devoted to stillness and forgetting the wrongdoings of the past. While higher semy-planes of existence gravitate around more humanitarian, scientific and artistic dealings. That's what i have seen in some of the "astral colonies" we have over our country. However, those are linked to a religious philosophy we have here, so maybe it's just how people of that philosophy see things. Indeed. -
Discussing Reincarnation
Desmonddf replied to noonespecial's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Sure, i was just adapting the theory to the astrological spheres. I will slightly disagree on this point. Even if they indeed do influence the planet earth (not the celestial bodies themselves, but the subtle inteligences and fluxes linked to them), they only influence the planet on it's aetheric atmosphere. Beyond that (the emotional plan and above) they do not pose serious influence. It's a rough outline, not a rigorous correspondence. I'm not talking about individuals either, but about planes of existence. I suppose we are using different definitions about what is the "soul". The "soul" i'm refering to is the emotional body. The mental, causal and other subtle bodies aren't included in the "soul". I will make an amendment here. It is possible to project one's consciousness to any of the mentioned spheres of existence, but this is different from transcending the need of be a part of the cicles of the present sphere one is into. Please note i'm talking about multiple subtle bodies, not a single one. A layer of it (above the aetheric body, which scattes naturaly) must be purified in order to be scatted because this is the way to attain immortality for an even more subtle body. Once the emotional body is scatted it becomes possible to materialize a new emotional body at any time. The difference is - this new emotional body isn't subjected to many of the laws of the emotional plane. It is a body made by the mind, and therefore there's absolute control over it - including "immortality". Like all "imortals" from taoism, the immortality of a more subtle body means the last death of a more concrete one. Then, transcendence from the ilusion of death and the capability of returning to the world without being a part of it - without the need to go through birth and reencarnation. Let's apply this concept to the physical plane. Usually one must die here and go to the emotional plane. Then, reincarnate once the emotional body start to decay. This cicle grants vitality not to the physical body, but to the emotional body. The one body we must make immortal isn't our physical one, but the emotional one. Why? Because we theoreticaly should be able to make a physical body for ourselves at any time, by gathering aether and materializing it. All human beings are, in theory, physicaly immortal. Differently from elementals (ondines, salamanders, etc) we have the inerent ability to gather semi-physical particles and manipulate them (like qi). This depends on being individuals at the level of causality, thing the elementals aren't. Of course, in theory. In practice this is one more of the things the actual system of reincarnations this planet has doesn't allow to be done, even if virtually ALL other planets of this system allow for it. Just go in astral projection to any of them. Mars, Jupiter, even the sun. As long as you can use an appropriate technique to leave the planet's astral atmosphere and endure the conditions there, you will find plenty of non-earthly souls and aetheric bodies on those places. Curse the guys in charge of this Anyhow. The emotional body we have must be made immortal. And the fastest way to do it is by purifying the physical body in order to attain a stronger manifestation of this body while using the physical forces to keep it's shape and overral human nature. So, practices such as ascetism or karmic interactions, which bring forth surges of intense emotions, hurt this emotional body and bring instability to it. However, it doesn't decay because of the physical body acting as a support. By hurting it and having it come back to it's original form multiple times the result is a strenghtening and expansion of this emotional body. Of course, excessive hurting may come with mental traumas, which will ruin the process and require for a new reincarnation in order to revert the damage done, but controled hurting will increase tolerance and overall strenght. For a similar reason, once immortality of the emotional body is achieved, the same must be done with the concrete mental body - constant hurting of it by practices of "emotional ascetism", let's say it like this. Then again, this is the system used on our planet today. In the past different systems have been used, and some of them are radically different. For example, there are systems of spiritual growth by increasing expansion of one's personal power and vitality, bringing a closer connection to the post-individual planes and subtle bodies we have. Modern satanism in it's more esoteric veins (Dragon Rouge, Draconian Magic, Order of Phosporus, etc) are usually more affectionate of this kind of method instead of the ascetic ones. Still, this one is very popular and has made it's way on most religious systems of our age. -
Greetings. I would like to start an exchange of knowledge with the colleagues from this forum. As an acupunturist i'm familiar with the concept of the Sanjiao - the triple burner- a meridian and organ (Fu) of the TCM system of organs (ZangFu). This Fu would be a "virtual" Fu, which has a myriad of functions or not many at all, depending on how one interpret literature. As it also happens with most TCM ancient texts, those are no rare paradoxal and contraditory. So, some say the SanJiao's primary function is to circulate the liquids in the body (the JinYe), whilst others say it also has a number of other much important functions. Anyhow. This structure is traditionaly divided in Upper Burner, Middle Burner and Lower Burner, just like the dantian. The difference is, the SanJiao doesn't have a center. While the dantian has focus points on the body, the SanJiao is a all-encompassing structure, like this : So, it differentiates from the Dantian quite a bit. Now, there are structures in TCM which are very similar to the idea of the dantian, with two of them sharing even the same rough locations. Those are the seas of qi - points in the body where qi accumulates in great amounts and which can be used to greatly affect the flow of the body's qi as a whole. Such structures would be located at the acupoints RenMai 6 (Qi Hai - Sea of Qi), RenMai 17 (Dan Zhong - Chest Center), Stomach 9 (Renying - Man's Prognosis), Du Mai 14 (Da Zhui - Great Hammer) and Du Mai 15 (Ya Men - Mute's Gate). I will post images showing the location of those points bellow: RM6 - Qi Sea RM17: ST9 : DM14: DM15: Now, as we can see, at least two of the Qi Sea points are located in the same place as two of the dantian - the lower tian and the middle tian. But three of them doesn't seem to have any relation. Plus, we don't have a point which would correlate to the upper tian. The closest thing from that would be the upper part of the inner route of the hearth meridian, which brings qi to the brain, or maybe the extra point yintang (emotion's palace), which is located right in the middle of the forehead. That, or we could strech on the theory of the brain being called by TCM the "Sea of Marrow" and try to relate it to the sea of marrow points, which are DM16 and DM20. My question is : Do anyone know if there's any direct relation between the SanJiao, Seas of Qi, Heart Meridian, Yintang point and Seas of Marrow with the dantian? Is it a concept derivated from any form of knowledge from TCM's physiology ? I have tried to make experiments myself on this, but even if the relation between the lower tian and RM6 seems very promissing, it can be just a superposition of structures, or maybe one is deeper in the body than the other. Specially when people say things like you may "harden" your dantian or "rip" it if you do certain techniques the wrong way. "Ripping" one's RM6 in a way it can't recover naturaly (as it does normaly) would pretty much spell death. Hardening it would give birth to abdominal masses, including cancer. Those kind of things seem too serious for the only consequence of "crippling" one's dantian to be becoming unable to practice qigong. But, if these concepts aren't related, then, what is the origin of the knowledge on dantian? Where does it comes from? Is there any more knowledge about it? For instance, about related structures which may lay dormant in the body and how they interact with the other energetic structures we have ? Thank you all for your attention. Please enlighten me.
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The lung have some influence on the Sanjiao because it's related to the JinYe. There's a discussion about how much the lung influences the Sanjiao, but indeed there's this interpretation. About karmic issues, my knowledge in the subject is limited. However, i have read somewhere that when a situation is karmic the MingMen (DM4) becomes active, creating a small energetic vortex in the person and can be felt with an energetic scanning of the back. I have also experienced the feeling of having to change my hip position in order to compress my DM4 on a reflex act to avoid energy loss. This happens a lot when i deal with healing (any kind of healing - acupuncture, bioenergy, reiki) on people who are closely related to me, like family and close friends, so i'm prone to believe there's some degree of truth to this theory. I see. Thank you again.
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Thank you very much. I cannot read chinese yet. I have just started my classes. Is there any translated version of this picture ? About the citation in the HuangDi Neijing - i do have a translated version here with me. Do you know the page or at least the chapter it is mentioned on ?
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Discussing Reincarnation
Desmonddf replied to noonespecial's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
By my experiences with channeling this would be correct in the concept, except the fact of not being an automatic process. Please let me explain. The spheres of the planets of astrology are multi-fractal. The astrologic influences are actually all derivated from aether fluxes in our own planet, and are imprinted on the person's aether body - a semi-physical body which makes the connection between the physical body and the emotional body (which would be the sphere of Luna in your conceptual analysis). (side note: Interestingly, this body start to scatter immediately after death of a person, and it's energy is needed for emotional beyings to affect the physical plane. So, the idea of "scattering" of the "soul", on my view, is actually based on the fact of the scattering of the aether body.) However, astrology does go beyond this and gives us a conceptual analysis of the spheres above our own. Above the sphere of deep emotion (Luna or the Astral Plane) we have the sphere of thought (mercury or the Concrete Mental Plane) then the sphere of sexuality and fluxes of instinc, or freudian libido, without form (Venus or the Abstract Mental Plane), then the sphere of Destiny, Dharma or Karma (Sun or the Causal Plane), then the sphere of strenght or impulse of movement (Mars or the Adamic Plane) then the sphere of royalty and supremacy (Jupiter or the Celestial Plane). Above the Solar Sphere regular human beings do not have Individuality anymore. We are already part of a Group-Consciousness. Above the Jupiterian Sphere there is no "humanity" anymore. The Saturnian Sphere is already on the verge of the Limits of Existance for what we call "humanity". There are, however, classes of entities which can go beyond those levels. For instance, by reaching enlightment it is possible to leave humanity behind and achieve individuality on the level of the Martian sphere. That said, death of the physical boddy do not allow for imediate return to the un-individual states of existance. Most people just exist on the emotional plane after death. Plus, differently from here, destroying the emotional body (or soul) completely is impossible. It is possible to mutilate it, to drain it of energy, to make it mutated and semi-destroyed, but there is a basic level of immortality to it. In fact, it is to avoid the deterioration of the emotional body to a state of great suffering that most submit themselves to reincarnation on a new physical body, even if most in the situation of death see this as "dying" in the soul world, whislt the actual death of the emotional body is seen as "ascention". That because, to reach the "gift" of death in the emotional plane it's necessary to reach a certain level of spiritual enlightnment. Not to become buddha or something, but at least on the level of a Bodissatva, since it is necessary to be able to remain in the emotional plane indefinitely, cristalizing the existence of the emotional body there - meaning to be out of Samsara. So, yes, when death comes we can rise out of the physical body and "shed" the "skin" of the multiple subtle bodies we have. The first "skin" is the emotional body, or astral body, or soul, which must be first purified to the highest possible level and then abbandoned and finally scatter. The difference is we actually need to seek for it and work towards it - while in the physical plane we seek to keep life. I know at least a couple people who have experienced future progression. However, the thing with future is that it isn't written in stone. There are multiple futures, and we, that is, our consciousness, will experience only one of them at a time (at least i don't know of anyone experiencing more than one at the same time). So, it is possible to do a progression, see a perfectly possible future, and then just don't live it. I have had, once or twice in my life, a few flases of future insight. I also know of people who had them. Now, the interesting thing is, in one of them I was having a discussion with my mother. I used a certain argument, it became sour. When the thing started to happen in real life, i, remembering the argument which turned the discussion sour, decided to change it. And it did change. The discussion didn't became sour. My brother-in-law also had future insight on a possible driving accident. He saw himself driving, and a man would pass the red light and crash into him. As it commonly happens, he saw the vision, forgot it, and in the day the thing was going to happen, he remembered it. So, he hit the brakes on time, and the guy didn't crash on him. Now, the opposit has also happened with me. I have also seen a scene of future, and done the thing i saw myself doing. What happened? The scene progressed as it was perceived by me in the first place. On another note, i did have some passing stuff, like perceiving just myself sat somewhere with a certain emotion or mental state. Not seeing how i got on this condition, i couldn't do a thing to avoid it. So, the simple knowledge of future is enought to change it. The greater the knowledge, the more you can choose what to keep and what to change - but the smaller it is, the less power you have. By having a progression you take a risk. You may change the future without desiring it. You may keep it because you don't know how to change it, or if it is even possible to change it, or you may just get lucky and see enough to allow yourself to control what will happen. Regardless, it's an interesting practice. -
Discussing Reincarnation
Desmonddf replied to noonespecial's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Through regression i have been able to see a little bit of 2 or 3 of my past lives. Here are my impressions on the subject: I know it was me. I recognize my own "existence" there. However, i do not see that person as the "me" i am today. I had different values. I behaved totally differently. If you put those two man in the same room as me you would say there are three completely different people there. Even though i could feel... well... my "essence" ? My "sparkle" ? My.... something... there. Not my values, my morals, my sense of who i am... just a "something" which goes from life to life and can serve as a bridge between all of them. Now, some say that isn't "you". That "you" is the Ego, the morals and values, the religion and whatnot you have built for yourself in your life. I don't think this way. I say this "thing" is "me", and the rest is just the many personalities i had in times past, due to how i was raised and lived on different times. Just how i will have a new personality in five years, or ten years from. Just how i will live things in the future which will change me to a point were i'm not the same person i'm today anymore. And it doesn't has much to do with sin. It's just that the person "there" is related to me on the same degree the person i was when i was 5 years old is related to me today. Which means, the same way the things i did when i was 5 affect my present life by means of my unconscious mind, so do those things from those times. Plain psychology, that's one of the facets of karma in my view. The hermetic, buddistic and taoist visions on the theme - which bring the idea of the returning spirit without mind or souls, is, on my opinion, a way of focusing on the change instead of focusing on the connections between one life and the other. For me, the connection is what i am. The change is just on things i had. And that is why i'm not more affraid of reincarnation than i am of just keep living. It's mainly the same thing in my view. That and a little bit of other stuff related to channeling and spirits which didn't scatte after death, but, well, that's a point to be discussed latter -
Hello. My name is Desmond and i'm from Brazil. I'm an acupuncturist in training, reiki master and qigong entusiast. I also study other kinds of esoteric knowledge, including hermetic kabbalah, tarot, astrology, some traditional mediunic (channeling) religions of Brazil, ayahuasca and other less relevant themes. My objective in the forum is to discuss qigong and neigong practices and knowledge, looking to fill in the gaps in my knowledge of the subject, while also occasionaly helping others with whatever knowledge i have and can share. Thank you for having me.