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Great shot, first impression. Green Wizard, very cool thanks for sharing!

This is a very important statement, it is only by this I have not been bitten by Cotton Mouth Water Moccasins when accidentally picking them up while fishing or even stepping on them bare footed or when sitting in the woods with my back against a palmetto bush just feeling the sun and the sky being at one with the wilderness and scent of the earth wearing shorts and rattlesnakes crossed over my legs.

Your third eye can open before you are ready for it and you will see but be unable to comprehend what is seen based upon which dimension opens. For example early on in my Kriya practices of Hariharnanda when Kechari first came the third eye activated very strongly and with both eyes open I had to look around the Shimmering ring and the portal of what appeared to be deep space with stars. It was so strong I went to the bathroom to see if it were reflected in the mirror and it was not I literally had to look around the portal opened with my physical eyes because it was so strong and in the way. Finally discerning there was no practical reason for this and somehow knowing it a gateway that I lacked familiarity with it was best to leave it be. I said now look I appreciate the astral vision but these are not the senses I need active and distracting me while in the physical so off the damned portal already this is getting in the way of being able to see here with the senses of this body I need now. With that it shut down. Now the feeling in your forehead is indeed communications going on on a different level and that is fine. Sometimes it will be stronger than others and if you are quiet enough inside you will hear divine sound through it. Remember astral organs are only analogous to physical organs but not limited to them in regards to specific function so hearing with your foreheads eye is not so strange nor is feeling. When it is noticeably stronger just be relaxed and receptive for whatever may be pertinent or not there are communications going on and conversations other levels of yourself are engaged in. If you get a hunch then best to observe it. For example if you feel like driving right now is a bad idea then do not hang back a bit and feel for the it is okay now to come to you then go. Have avoided many accidents this way.

From what I have experienced in deep Samadhi states the universe is not either but rather it exists and operates in a balanced lawful manner in accord with its unique nature and each Universe within the multiverse is unique and operates similarly. They are divided by vibration frequencies no two may blend. Universes exist as a place for everything in them to develop and evolve past the need for bubbles of gestation and maturation. I view universes as places set up for us to come to experience calling this life and die review our lifetimes and the wisdom's gained and the modification from them and the maturity gained from these lifetimes of experience wash rise and repeat until one is no longer a fit for said particular universe and graduates to yet another. It is kind of like this when I was 5, I was a close fit for Kindergarten now nearing 50 it would not be a good fit for anyone were I to attend.

Today the beautiful black cat who has decided my lady and I as well as our home outside belong to him which of course we have welcomed and even encouraged as this cat is one of the most affectionate souls in a cat body we have met in a long time. This morning having coffee on the porch the cat came to visit. I was not outside yet and evidently he was looking for me. I know this because my lady took a picture of him looking at my chair, Like okay you are here now where is he? This is how it works these are the rules. Cats are very disciplined in a way, they are rule followers things are a certain way and they are expected to be so. She sent me the picture and I came out. Sure enough there he was and was talking to me. So I sat down and he did his happy leg rub thing turning upside down making me smell good like a proper cat should as I scratched his head and was treated to purrs and a smile. Satisfied with this he then lay at my feet for a while leaning up against my right foot while he watched the birds and the squirrels. The morning past and he made sure to give both his new humans an equal share of his love by alternating whom he will lay down next to. He stretches and when he does the most marvelous long sharp white claws come out. Yet he is very gentle with us. A little later in my clumsiness getting up I accidentally stepped on his tail. I felt something so eased up the pressure immediately and I heard the poor cat screaming like crazy as only cats can do he was circling around like crazy trying to get away from what had his tail. I jumped spilling coffee all over myself exclaiming Oh God I got his poor tail! Never once did he hiss, Never once did he attack my foot which he very well could have. Instead as I got off his tail and apologized to him he was offended and gave me his back at first, After rubbing his back he just turned around with the calmest demeanor I have ever seen in a cat. I bent down further apologizing for getting his tail and he allowed me to rub his head and back. Impressed I went inside and got him a special treat and came back out to him, he talked to me a little and then he took the treats out of my hand knowing I was trying to make up to him for hurting his tail. All was good understanding was had, I sat back down and he again laid down at my feet but this time the tail was kept closer to the body This time I was much more careful getting back up and hopefully will remember to look from now on.

I am very pleased for you and congratulate you on your accomplishments. 10’s of minutes is really great! Completely understood when it comes to privacy and feel happy for you to have an enlightened being teaching you. Yes I know about the absorptions and the passage of time 3 and 4 hours can be like minutes eventually. 3 hours of Kriya and I am unfit to talk let alone interact with others and really have no desire to. To be able to practice for 72 hours will be I hope in a regulated environment because when you come out of that, your state will be very different and you might need help. And I can only guess as you advance under expert guidance that even the most time consuming practices will become as mere moments.

Is it safe to assume then that your work is to become as a guide like Anubis perhaps?

Who is this? Even if you feel inclined not to share I will tell you this, if this be the case with that person they are enlightened beyond the Jhanas and not just awake.

Keep going.

I find that all one really needs to do is be what they are and recognize the Krishna within me is the same Krishna within the form of lets say a cat. We are one and the same expressing through our souls as man and cat, we are both most comfortable with our mutual yet different comfortable illusion and if you love that which is within both communications is assured. So many times this has been shown to me even today as a stray black cat gives and receives love and lays at my feet. Today we watched the birds and the squirrels on the porch together. It was nice.

Shhh don't ruin folks enthusiasm.

May I ask what that is? is it Kabbalah ?

Dude I keep thinking this is going to need some serious hot sauce!

Many rivers lead to the same ocean and the more I read on this site the more convinced that the ways and means are numerous yet they all have so much in common.

Um yeah Catholic mass up, down, up, down, up, down they could afford to widen those kneelers and add a little padding 😇

Apologies whenever I say Fontanel that is the 7th center, the thousand petal lotus. 1st Kriya of Hariharananda can help you with this. 1st Kriya is all about purifying and energizing the 6 main centers below the 1000 Petal lotus. From this practice you will develope. Get with Donald Abrams he has online courses that quite frankly are very well done. They get my approval and that is nigh unto impossible. I only wish Don has been doing this when I started. He does not however accept many personal students maybe 1 per year and the dedication to practice must be there or else he will not waste his time or yours. From the online courses you can learn what you need. https://www.kriyayogauniversity.com/

This is all very similar. This part here is the very essence of first Kriya, Kriya is the Gita This is from the very start with Baba Hariharanandas Kriya right after initiation and training in fact. I know not many get this but that is to be expected with so many given such precious tools so easily. When I was first initiated and taught by Swami Atamavidyanandaji I was surprised. During Initiation after he purified the chakras my heart center opened and I cried tears that would not stop they flowed for hours and he came to me and said the fire of Anahata burns green and smokey making the eyes water does it not? I just nodded yes and he lovingly patted my shoulder. His by the way was the only true and real initiation I have ever received outside of the Christian Gnostices in California when I was 14 or so. After his initiation all of the Kriya practices became alive from the very start. Very rapid changes even the physical body changed within a few weeks full Kechari mudra formed which is quite a shock. This is where the energetic takes over the physical and causes it to change. (For those who do not Know Kechari Mudra REAL KECHARI MUDRA occurs when the energetic Channel Sushumna closes its bifurcation and becomes a single channel. The physical representative is the tongue. The tongue changes slides up behind the soft pallet going straight up in the skull it then rests in contact with the the sphenoid sinuses directly under the pituitary gland. The energy from the crown now has a direct pathway into the body without bends or obstructions it is like unkinking a garden hose. A great gout of energy flows there is tremendous mind wiping out bliss followed by great silence.) Have you practiced descending? I do all the time. Then I stop and see how high I rise like a hot air balloon on it's own and this gives me a true measure of attainment and not just the Spiritual High. Their is a potential problem with this and that is bypassing without even knowing it and missing the reason you are alive to begin with. For example right now I have been practicing the third Kriya of Hariharanada which has nothing at all to do with the energy system of the lower chakras. This is like in the Gita where the mans head is cut off so he may watch the battle unfold. Here we are working with 5 chakras in the brain.

Interesting so I see you are coming from a Buddhist perspective. Here is what I could find let us discuss this. Is this your interpretation as well as spelled out below not necessarily the Kriya stuff as that requires Kriya Sadhana to confirm. I am familiar with everything written here. These states being described first occur as Meditative states while performing a practice and later become ones normal mode of operation. These are all well known to me. My normal mode of operation however the sustained daily experience without practice does not go all the way to 8. The 8 Jhanas as Described in the Pali Canon with traditional Jhana factors in bold Rupa Jhanas 1. "There is the case where a monk -- quite secluded from sense desires, secluded from unwholesome states of mind -- enters and remains in the first Jhana which is with initial and sustained thinking and is filled with rapture and happiness born of seclusion. He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this rapture and happiness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. "Just as if a skilled bath attendent or his apprentice would pour soap powder into a metal basin and knead it together, sprinkling it again and again with water, so that the ball of soap powder would be filled with mostiure, encompassed by mostiure, pervaded by mosture inside and out, yet would not drip; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with the rapture and happiness born of seclusion so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. This in the tradition of Kriya Yoga is part of the results of first Kriya Practice first it is known while sitting and performing the practices learned from an acharya of the lineage or the guru themselves. This is when the sadhaka can perceive the very beginning of the triple divine qualities. In the tradition of my lineage stemming from Baba Hariharananda and going back into antiquity of Babaji Maharaj. In this tradition we do not waste time with many things and rituals instead from initiation a current is passed into the student performing an initial purification of the nadis and chakras enabling the sadhaka to perceive the triple divine qualities in themselves, this works for the ripe and more slowly for the unripe. Our way is the way of direct current, for example if you touch a live wire with current in it you will get the current immediately and the effects will be with you for a long time. When you prepare a meal it takes time but consuming it takes little time, when you fill your vehicle with fuel it take but moments but you may drive for hundreds of miles all day long. This practice is like that Kriya does not take long to get immediate effects, but mostly my point is it is direct and the effects are immediate and sustained afterwards invoking a permanent change over time and repeated immersion your efforts are rewarded with cash now not a check to be cashed later and there is no need for sustained tremendous effort. 2. "Further, with the stilling of initial and sustained thinking, by gaining inner tranquillity and unification of mind, he enters and remains in the second Jhana which is free from initial and sustained thinking and is filled with rapture and happiness born of concentration. He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this rapture and happiness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. "Just like a lake with spring-water welling up from below, having no inflow from east, west, north, or south, and with the skies [not?] periodically supplying it with rain, so that the cool spring-water welling up from below would permeate and pervade, suffuse and fill that lake with cool water, there being no part of the lake not suffused with cool water; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with the rapture and happiness born of concentration so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. We in Kriya call the the paravastha state of Kriya. The after effect which in time becomes permanent. 3. Further, with the fading away of rapture, remaining imperturbable, mindful, and clearly aware, he enters the third jhana and experiences within himself the joy of which the Noble Ones declare, "Happy is he who dwells with equanimity and mindfulness." He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness. "Just as in a blue-, white-, or red-lotus pond, there may be some of the lotuses which, born and growing in the water, stay immersed in the water and flourish without standing up out of the water, so that they are permeated and pervaded, suffused and filled with cool water from their roots to their tips so that no part of those lotuses is not suffused with cool water; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness. This in Kriya is further development in sustained Paravastha. 4. Further, with the abandoning of pleasure and pain -- as with the earlier disappearance of joy and sorrow -- he enters and remains in the fourth Jhana which is beyond pleasure and pain; and purified by equanimity and mindfulness. He sits, suffusing his body with a pure, bright awareness, so that there is nothing of his entire body not suffused by pure, bright awareness. "Just as if a man were sitting wrapped from head to foot with a white cloth so that there would be no part of his body to which the white cloth did not extend; even so, the monk sits, suffusing his body with a pure, bright awareness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused by pure, bright awareness." This is part of the development from first Kriya and is first present while sitting in practice them later in varying degrees when not sitting. 5. With the complete transcending of bodily sensations, with the disappearance of all sense of resistance, and not heeding perceptions of diversity, thinking, 'space is infinite,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of Infinite Space. This is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally. Here one experiences Pratyahara sense withdraw as the current is pulled inwards into the Sushumna Nadi. 6.With the complete transcending of the Sphere of Infinite Space, thinking, 'consciousness is infinite,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness. This also is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally. 7.With the complete transcending of the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness, thinking, 'There is no-thing,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of No-thingness. This also is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally, this occurs in the active paravastha which leads to the paravastha state in waking moving daily life and develops over the years. 8. With the complete transcending of the Sphere of No-thingness, one enters and remains in the Sphere of Neither Perception nor Non-perception." This is the description of Nirvakalpa Samadhi. Here there is not heartbeat and no breath and no words no matter how elegantly put forth can touch this. Because we are discussing this it can be said that these 8 are all encountered in formal seated states that practices (in my case Kriya of Baba Hariharananda) the practices themselves set the conditions for the Jhanas to arse, first they are known while sitting in absorption and later they become ones standard operating system as the code of being becomes rewritten. It is a agreed the practices are contrived and are handed down from a golden era without doubt. It is further agreed that the practices must be done regularly to continue to deepen and form the non- contrived lasting natural way of being. It has not been noted but the practices are entirely un-necessary as well. If given innumerable reincarnations the same will occur in it's own good time, the very living itself does this albeit at a ponderous pace requiring millions of births and rebirths. How many we have all had to get to this discussion? As for me I said raise your hand those who are enlightened having some fun with that and enjoying the answers. If we use the 8 Jhanas and use the functional non sitting absorption practices but rather the resulting continuous state of operating after the fact we can see that there is not a black or white this or that all or nothing. No rather there is fluctuation as well as sliding up and down the scale. When seated in formal Kriya Practice I generally stop around 7 to go further is to go into 8 which I have many times but there is a danger here one will not return. There is no heartbeat, there is no breathing. There is hatred to return from this. No one may ever tell this truth because it is not something that sells well. 8. I have decided since it has been experienced and is known will be practiced one more time in this life and that will be during my Maha Samadhi. I am familiar with everything written here. These states being described first occur as Meditative states while performing a practice and later become ones normal mode of operation. These are all well known to me. My normal mode of operation however the sustained daily experience without practice does not go all the way to 8. The 8 Jhanas as Described in the Pali Canon with traditional Jhana factors in bold Rupa Jhanas "There is the case where a monk -- quite secluded from sense desires, secluded from unwholesome states of mind -- enters and remains in the first Jhana which is with initial and sustained thinking and is filled with rapture and happiness born of seclusion. He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this rapture and happiness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. "Just as if a skilled bath attendent or his apprentice would pour soap powder into a metal basin and knead it together, sprinkling it again and again with water, so that the ball of soap powder would be filled with mostiure, encompassed by mostiure, pervaded by mosture inside and out, yet would not drip; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with the rapture and happiness born of seclusion so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. This in the tradition of Kriya Yoga is part of the results of first Kriya Practice first it is known while sitting and performing the practices learned from an acharya of the lineage or the guru themselves. This is when the sadhaka can perceive the very beginning of the triple divine qualities. In the tradition of my lineage stemming from Baba Hariharananda and going back into antiquity of Babaji Maharaj. In this tradition we do not waste time with many things and rituals instead from initiation a current is passed into the student performing an initial purification of the nadis and chakras enabling the sadhaka to perceive the triple divine qualities in themselves, this works for the ripe and more slowly for the unripe. Our way is the way of direct current, for example if you touch a live wire with current in it you will get the current immediately and the effects will be with you for a long time. When you prepare a meal it takes time but consuming it takes little time, when you fill your vehicle with fuel it take but moments but you may drive for hundreds of miles all day long. This practice is like that Kriya does not take long to get immediate effects, but mostly my point is it is direct and the effects are immediate and sustained afterwards invoking a permanent change over time and repeated immersion your efforts are rewarded with cash now not a check to be cashed later and there is no need for sustained tremendous effort. 2. "Further, with the stilling of initial and sustained thinking, by gaining inner tranquillity and unification of mind, he enters and remains in the second Jhana which is free from initial and sustained thinking and is filled with rapture and happiness born of concentration. He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this rapture and happiness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. "Just like a lake with spring-water welling up from below, having no inflow from east, west, north, or south, and with the skies [not?] periodically supplying it with rain, so that the cool spring-water welling up from below would permeate and pervade, suffuse and fill that lake with cool water, there being no part of the lake not suffused with cool water; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with the rapture and happiness born of concentration so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with rapture and happiness. We in Kriya call the the paravastha state of Kriya. The after effect which in time becomes permanent. 3. Further, with the fading away of rapture, remaining imperturbable, mindful, and clearly aware, he enters the third jhana and experiences within himself the joy of which the Noble Ones declare, "Happy is he who dwells with equanimity and mindfulness." He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness. "Just as in a blue-, white-, or red-lotus pond, there may be some of the lotuses which, born and growing in the water, stay immersed in the water and flourish without standing up out of the water, so that they are permeated and pervaded, suffused and filled with cool water from their roots to their tips so that no part of those lotuses is not suffused with cool water; even so, the monk drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness. This in Kriya is further development in sustained Paravastha. 4. Further, with the abandoning of pleasure and pain -- as with the earlier disappearance of joy and sorrow -- he enters and remains in the fourth Jhana which is beyond pleasure and pain; and purified by equanimity and mindfulness. He sits, suffusing his body with a pure, bright awareness, so that there is nothing of his entire body not suffused by pure, bright awareness. "Just as if a man were sitting wrapped from head to foot with a white cloth so that there would be no part of his body to which the white cloth did not extend; even so, the monk sits, suffusing his body with a pure, bright awareness so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused by pure, bright awareness." This is part of the development from first Kriya and is first present while sitting in practice them later in varying degrees when not sitting. 5. With the complete transcending of bodily sensations, with the disappearance of all sense of resistance, and not heeding perceptions of diversity, thinking, 'space is infinite,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of Infinite Space. This is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally. Here one experiences Pratyahara sense withdraw as the current is pulled inwards into the Sushumna Nadi. 6.With the complete transcending of the Sphere of Infinite Space, thinking, 'consciousness is infinite,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness. This also is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally. 7.With the complete transcending of the Sphere of Infinite Consciousness, thinking, 'There is no-thing,' one enters and remains in the Sphere of No-thingness. This also is present in the practice of first Kriya after Kechari has come naturally, this occurs in the active paravastha which leads to the paravastha state in waking moving daily life and develops over the years. 8. With the complete transcending of the Sphere of No-thingness, one enters and remains in the Sphere of Neither Perception nor Non-perception." This is the description of Nirvakalpa Samadhi. Here there is not heartbeat and no breath and no words no matter how elegantly put forth can touch this. Because we are discussing this it can be said that these 8 are all encountered in formal seated states that practices (in my case Kriya of Baba Hariharananda) the practices themselves set the conditions for the Jhanas to arse, first they are known while sitting in absorption and later they become ones standard operating system as the code of being becomes rewritten. It is a agreed the practices are contrived and are handed down from a golden era without doubt. It is further agreed that the practices must be done regularly to continue to deepen and form the non- contrived lasting natural way of being. It has not been noted but the practices are entirely un-necessary as well. If given innumerable reincarnations the same will occur in it's own good time, the very living itself does this albeit at a ponderous pace requiring millions of births and rebirths. How many we have all had to get to this discussion? As for me I said raise your hand those who are enlightened having some fun with that and enjoying the answers. If we use the 8 Jhanas and use the functional non sitting absorption practices but rather the resulting continuous state of operating after the fact we can see that there is not a black or white this or that all or nothing. No rather there is fluctuation as well as sliding up and down the scale. When seated in formal Kriya Practice I generally stop around 7 to go further is to go into 8 which I have many times but there is a danger here one will not return. There is no heartbeat, there is no breathing. There is hatred to return from this. No one may ever tell this truth because it is not something that sells well. 8. I have decided since it has been experienced and is known it will only be practiced one more time in this life and that will be during my Maha Samadhi and maybe not even then as I am looking forward to the final experience in this incarnation I believe it will be quite interesting indeed but more likely than not just familiar so I am a little on the fence with this.

I thought about that and honestly if it is anything like roasted rabbit 🐇 folks might be surprised. The idea of the starving thinking this a feast might very well enjoy like the well fed cannot. Everything tastes better to the hungry but you have to know starvation to comprehend that. Early life taught that lesson. Going back and reading more now, this is an interesting conversation.

Vedic Astrology would probably tie them in. I confess to know very little about the yugas as to me they are a concept which is beyond my ability to do anything about. To me the definition of intelligence is to function well wherever and whenever one finds themselves. Now were I to go by feeling alone and what I have observed I would say we are emerging from it or are in the start of a better era. There are allot of people here now that have access to communications like never before and allot of interest in doing and being better even though some are in the teenage stages of awakening going for more of an exercise approach. I did when I was in my early teens. Could channel Chi easily for performance enhancement. But all that Chi moving lead me to deeper and deeper desires to discover true root meanings of existence so I think it works like this. When I was 17, 33 years ago I got the awakening. The enlightenment and I smiled because the answer to everything was that it was all so simple. I felt like laughing crying rejoicing and telling the whole world oh my goodness it is all so simple it is right in front of us all the time there are no needs to worry no need to worry over anything be upset over anything everything is just fine the way it is and always has been and always will be no matter what. Instead I was silent. And watched that morph. I also knew this was not going to last for me and that no one would understand anything if I said it. So I enjoyed being whole and watched it slip away like I was becoming dumber and dumber compared to earlier in the day. Then I leveled off something like 12 hours later. The one who was left was not the same as the one who woke that morning. My entire life from that day till now has been one of return little by little. I also know I will not make it in this life and am fine with it. Estimate next incarnation or maybe 3 more at most depends on how hard I push, if I push it is going to take longer I would like to see a show of hands who here is enlightened or the equivalent of the word as we have explored it within their system? I am not.

there is much debate some even say we are no longer in it https://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/when-does-the-kali-yuga-end

Excellent explanation, thank you for that. Have never been able to put this into words.

Sure you do if the soup is good you will know it, if it is not you will know that also. There is no need to compare, value stands out on its own. In the case of something being better I agree it is best to have a leg up and not have to reinvent the wheel. On the other-hand how good does good truly need to be? Once upon a time what is now honored was new also. Look how Zen Shook things up in Japan when it came from China. These are called Yugas and it is a similar belief. We are now living in the Kali Yuga a very dark period of mass ignorance. It is good to have a teacher.

I was unsure if there was a difference as I recalled there was not so I looked it up. Every source I saw including the ones I cited confirmed they mean the same thing. If you have a link to something that proves otherwise I would not mind looking at it. Perhaps where the word was used in a lwasuit or something as the legal meaning is what you are talking about. Thanks.

The answer is simple. Different times different writing style for different audience. Different social conditions as well. Awakenings or what I call "Temporary Enlightenment with a leg up" and "Permanent Enlightenment which does not fade or recede happened then and happens now and will in the future, why give credibility only to the hoary past? Why only honor that which was versus that which is present? Why only honor that which was written long ago. This is a very strange thing if one does this.