MIchael80

Hi! That is not true from what i have been taught. While there are some Neidan texts that suggest that golden elixir is the true nature others dont. What one has to understand is that neidan texts are alchemical texts meaning they are mostly useless without lineage or divine inspiration (very rare). In the same way one cannot make the external elixir (the philosophers stone) from reading texts about it one cannot get anywhere or understand much when reading alchemical texts without teacher and direct experience. The golden elixir reveals!!! ... the true nature in a deeply embodied way because it is the merging of xing and ming.....meaning the deepest form of inner division is neutralized .... xing = preheaven yin, ming = preheaven yang. Ancient neidan does not talk about returning to the Dao but about repairing it within the bodymind (through the merging of xing and ming). At the same time the golden elixir makes one earth immortal which means the physical body lasts for a really long time. Much here appreciated freeform had known a living immortal master (they appear not only in daoism but also in Tamil siddha tradition or the wizzars tradition of Burmese).

Why do you think that everyone who has experience in a daoist neidan lineage disagrees with Chidragon? Everyone telling him that and still he does not listen at all. As if all these genuine practicioners know nothing. This has nothing to do with predjudice..... but everything he says is so many lightyears away from even basic neidan understanding it is almost impossible to think he is not trolling. It would be like if i say i know how to bake a cake and talk about how it is made of sand and dirt .... and baker would come and say "no this is completely wrong" but i would accuse them to be the baker police and they being full of predjudice.

Ah,.... you are just trolling us arent you!? I mean co'mon! That can be serious! That sounds like from a kid who has watched some taoist movies and heard a bit here and there about TCM etc. and comes up with his own childish story.

100% wrong.

I would frame it a little differently (but understand your point, would just say it is not a believe ....more like have you experienced chi and how it flows through the meridians and is distinct from physical matter? Same with jing? Yuanqi and jing are even more subtle...

Destiny is ming. In neidan this means yuanqi and yuanjing. Xing is yuanshen. As Zhang boduan says ... everyone has it but squanders it. Golden elixir is merged xing and ming.

We have to understand some things here. Prenatal Qi and Yuanqi are different forms of qi even though they are too often used as the same. The next thing is that preheaven qi cultivation happens only in alchemical practices. So these are methods that are part of an alchemical school or a system that comes from one. If you want to do these the ancient northern method of wuliu has opened to the public in 2023 and is a ancient neidan system. It contains preheaven cultivation. https://daode.world/ Or you could join yuxian pai which is also an ancient alchemical school. Their organ qigong works mostly postheaven but has some preheaven cultivation as well. Yuxianpai.com All the best

Bethupton.com She also has a YouTube channel where she speaks very openly about all stages of practice.