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Hi! Beautiful article!!!!! What are the "heavens in the palace of the 3 treasures in our body"? 😊

Well ... waidan is not drugs, minerals etc. Waidan is the external elixir more commonly known as the philosophers stone. It is basically the same process as the internal elixir (=neidan) Immortality of the physical body is no goal in neidan....it is a byproduct of correct practice of a complete method. All these things you mention are explicitly stated as not leading to neidan results (in alchemical texts) .

No and no. All these terms are very well defined within true neidan lineages. Xing is yuan shen Ming is yuan jing/chi In neidan you only work with pre-heaven substances....if you work with jing and chi and shen you are still in the preparation phase and actual alchemy has not started yet. Earl grey is spot on here. 😊

Because ancient approach to neidan is not about samadhi. It is not about realizing the dao but about repairing the dao within a person by creating the pre-heaven elixir (re-unification of xing and ming) and only that leads to the neidan effects.... ....People who achieve samadhi are not living hundreds of years nor are they healthy so not much transformation of the body has taken place. There is no book that talks about the ancient approach of neidan. Freeform has also pointed out that in his neidan lineage samadhi is used to further the whole process by using "substances" that can only be accessed in samadhi...but samadhi is not an end goal nor does everything happen on its own.

😂😂😂....he is a scamer of the highest order. Has been around the Internet for almost 10 years i guess. He always sells "special hidden knowledge" he got from special super masters in the mountains..... at first he sold secret techniques of kriya yoga that he got from babaji himself...for just 10 000 USD. 😂 Later he had a website where he sold dozens of secret daoist paths. And now this...but he always finds people who are willing to pay. But that he still does this after all this years ... he got a drive for his scam.😂

The whole text shows not one inch of true neidan knowledge...it is just endless bable. And of course it is Aussar.....from the true kriya yoga he sold for 10 000 USD to neidan and neigong. Interesting is that he starts the scam over and over again.

Hi freeform! What is the name of this spiritual substance behind the shen ming light? All the best 😊

Thanks freeform that is really interesting and fascinating!!! Thanks for your sharing. 🙏 I have never heard that before even though i got teachings on different levels within the chakra and that its core is the "real deal" so to say. Do you use them in your school? What kind of transformation do you think about when you say "one would have to leave society"?

Hi freeform! Very interesting.... I would be interested what you mean with true chakras?

Thanks for the links. Andrew Hewson also has his own view on this unfolding. It is unique but compares well with Davids approach. The videos these two did about the stages and other aspects are quite good. All the best 😊

That is why it cannot be talked about dwai. 😊 Even less then about awakening.... It is still seldom and as you have seen i do not much talk about what is here. I use links to people much better with words than i am. I invite you again to Davids blog or his talks with Andrew Hewson on YouTube (they discuss that to the best of their ability there). You can also write David .... he has taken years to put that into words and he always answers questions. Or read Davids book. You could read Lornes book also (he wrote the Link i posted) To answer your question....which cannot be answered .... you cannot and being/SELF absolute awareness cannot...only by realizing / becoming that which lies beyond ... it is "known" only by itself. With that i end that here. All the best on your way! 😊

How should that be described other than with words? It is only word games because you are closed to that shift....that is the word used...not perspective but shift. That word implies a change in our self perception. First being an individal, then presence, then pure awareness and then that which lies beyond. And with Supreme reality ..the same ...it has nothing to do with self or awareness. (And the article states that very clearly) Read it more slowly....all you describe is what in that article is called self realization. Beyond awareness is no void, no self, no knowing, no perception.....as there is no awareness. Besides that i have provided different sources....like the vids from David Buckland where he talks with Andrew Hewson about those shifts.

Hi! No not at all. That is why it is so seldom talked about...and that is why i posted a link to the stages....from the 4th state to absolute awareness to beyond. Because that is the perception...it has no limits etc....that is the reality of being awake..there can not be something beyond it. But it can . Just like someone in an Ego state cannot imagine the absolute awareness (and will deny that if he is not into spirituality) so is it not possible for someone awake in absolute awareness to imagine something beyond.(and will also deny further possibilty). Only humility will do ....that no matter how limitless absolute awareness is ...maybe there is "something " more. And that is experienced as loosing absolut awareness...and it is often a shock in the beginning but then slowly a new understanding dawns.

Hi! I still havent figured out how to quote parts 😂😂 So i will reply just in order... I would say the body is the aware subject...the Body has it just forgotten so to say...but it can also remember. I named several awake teachers and people. Davids Blog is davidya.ca... the vids can be found by just searching him on YouTube. The vids together with teacher Andrew Hewson are also on his YouTube channel. Lorne and Lucia Hoff are on lucialorn.net The others can be googled. https://www.lucialorn.net/states-of-consciousness Here they try to describe this unfolding starting from the 4th state through absolut awareness, to awareness recognizing itself to be the same as the appearances within it to beyond absolute awareness. Hope you enjoy it.😊 I would say that the subject as you called it sees this world through the eyes....if the eyes are injured no seeing of this world. No turiyata ... Not the 4. ... as you say in awareness alone. I spoke about beyond that...he called it "prior to awareness " parapraman. I am not much into him ...just read that at the end of his live he spoke about that to close diciples... that there is "something " beyond absolute awareness. I found David and Lorne and Lucia Hoff because i had "experienced" this falling out of absolut awareness but could not find any references to that. But David did as the Hoffs or now Andrew Hewson...and they also speak about the subtle perception. (The body waking up) I like that you want to be excact with words ... than you will like Davids approach as he tries that too ...to find out where in the unfolding someone is. 😊

Besides it having nothing to do with what i said....and disregarding experiences of other awake people. The hand has no eyes ... so it cannot see ...(at least in the usual way). You should read David Bucklands book on stages of awakeing (not really stages but an continual unfolding which brings very different experiences of being awake yet always the same what is there) (or watch some YouTube vids where he discusses them together with a teacher called Andrew Hewson....they also talk about the layers waking up etc). What you describe...pure awareness and a field of action ... sounds like self realization (adyashanti called that a head awakening....and there can follow a heart and a gut awakening) in Davids modell. There is a subtle duality still there ... when pure awareness regocnizes that it is the absolute same as the field of creation then it becomes obvious that everything can and will awaken if not stopped. And then awakening beyond pure awareness can also happen. (Which is really strange as it is experienced as "falling out of pure infinite awareness " ). And then it dawns that pure awareness is still a covering over the source...that there is a source of the source (because pure awareness was seen as being the source of everything...but then it becomes clear it is not )

Well, exactly ... the body can awaken...the organs can awaken. First there is pure awareness and things as they are but as the fixation of "this is the final realization " goes something new reveals itself. That everything is consciousness and with that it moves through all layers of existence and all the layers awaken (physical of course the slowest)...it is a natural process but can be blocked by the believe of "this is the final realization ". There is for ex. realization beyond pure awareness or prior to that....(nisargadatha was maybe the first in more modern times who spoke about that....today several teachers and awake people do but it is still not mentioned widely, for ex. David Buckland, Lorne and Lucia Hoff, Andrew Hewson, Kristin kirk) And the more this process continues the less dense the physical body becomes and the more awake. Teachers and awake people talking about that for ex. are Dorothy Rowe, Kristin Kirk, David Buckland, Lorne Hoff, Hari Alto etc) All the old neidan schools have it and call it "completing the dao". Dzogchen has it, vajrayana has it....old Tamil siddha traditions have it etc. etc.

Hi cleansox! :-) Just curious ... did you practice the sitting ming gong or the standing moving form? Peace

Perfect description!!! 😂😂

Hi freeform! In your school you use yangshen and yuanshen as the same? I always find it fascinating how different the terms are used from one school to the other. I was taught....yuanshen is xing (the soul) And Yangshen is xing merged with ming and that merged thing (called the elixir) matured becomes the yangshen. And of course i was taught that this is the only real way and all the others are wrong. lol! All the best

The yangshen is the elixir matured. When xing and ming merge it is the beginning of the elixir. Xing and ming are preheaven hence the elixir is preheaven.... The yangshen is a divine "body" same as what is called light body or illusory body. When it is very high developed it can even manifest into physicality. BUT that is extremly high level....other light bodies can reach the same and have but neidan talks more about it. (hence they critisize other traditions...but other traditions critisize neidan so everyone critisizes everyone lol). Yinshen is given different meaning ....it can mean the ego or the undeveloped soul which is still bound to the cycle of reincarnation (so it is still yin). However, for ego the most often used term is shishen.

This is all true Antares ... BUT ...you as anyone else coming from the daode scholl is screaming "disclose this, show that" etc. BUT no one of daode has disclosed even a hundreths part of what Damo has disclosed. Even the name "teacher of single yang " is a pseudonym for outsiders. Why are these southern school and true ming methods almost extinct? Because of this ultra secrecy attitude. The daobum freeform (northern method) has disclosed more in his posts here (while still keeping a lot secret) than daode ever has. (At least in english) It is the Damo Mitchells, Wang Lipings, Nathan Brines that keep the northern method of alchemy alive and florishing. With you daode guys even a conversation is not possible because everything is a secret. Out of this will come only bad fruit.

Hi! The rainbow body happens also in ancient neidan approach (and some other lineages).... and very simply means that even the physical body is just karma and as that karma is clearerd the physical body disolves. If, from that point of view a corpse is still there not all karma (that made up the physical entity) has been eliminated. This is actually a natural process of waking up to awareness (often called true nature) IF there is no fixation happening on the formless and thereby blocking the natural further purification. It speeds up if the source of awareness is realized (the source of the source...so to say) ... which is relativly rare these days because awareness/true nature feels very final. In ancient neidan the elixir is the merging of xing and ming (soul and life battery) or said differently ..the merging of the most primordial Yin Yang split that there is. This results in what is called awakening (to awareness/true nature) and earth immortality. The fetus matures out of the elixir....into the yangshen. (Disolution of the physical body happens after the yangshen is mature). In Tibet buddhism there is no elixir but also a divine body which comes in the completion stage of highest yoga tantra. This body is called "illusory body" (there is also a practice with that name....i am talking about the phenomena). There is an imature form called "impure illusory body " and a mature form called "pure illusory body". That is similiar but not the same as the matured fetus (yangshen).

Hi! Why do you think he stopped doing that?

The others are right. AND manipura is the 3rd chakra not a dantien. Dantien and chakras are not the same. Best

Yes it is very dangerous! That is why lineage is of utmost importance. The results of correct use and preperation are astounding. It is actually the same process as internal alchemy just with external means.