MIchael80

Hi! Did not read everything sorry if i missed something. Nathan Brine is still giving workshops in Vancouver. Have you sent him an email?

I get you. But cuddeling adults more and more is not the answer. And how many got harmed by Meditation and Qigong? It is niche and very dangerous without the transmission how its done but we as adults should be able to talk about it in a normal way. You should ask shadow self about that...he is much deeper in that practices. From my point of view it depends on the stage you are at. The earlier stages are more ming the later more xing but usually there is a bit of both in all the stages (except the very high ones). And the elixir unites them.

I said that mercury is deadly and did not encourage anyone. Only alchemical prepared is good. Dont understand your note. Besides all here are adults and not 5 years old.

No that is not what i said. I said that mercury is poisonous in its usual state. If one knows the alchemical preparation it is not poisonous anymore (same for lead). Then it becomes very life enhancing and is the basis of the external elixir = philosophers stone. Well the pathway is energetic. It clears the illness underlying karmic pattern, the suppressed emotions that are part of it, the karmic debt ascociated with it. Seems to clear (or kill?) bad bacteria, viruses etc. And has strong body rebuilding effects.

Since some of them where very sick and on the brick of death and then cured. I guess they enjoy each day with gratitude. Alchemical prepared mercury gives extremly long life.

This true teacher healed a lot of people with mercury (proberly prepared).

That is untrue! External alchemy still exists in some schools (also in India) and is very powerful. The external elixir = the red philosophers stone. Yes, mercury is used and it is deadly if you do not have a true teacher of these arts. If you have it is very powerful. Idiots who thought they can learn that from books or find it out by themselves of course found out they could not.

Interesting! Didnt know that it could mean red. In external alchemy the highest form of the external elixir is red. The external elixir is more commonly know as philosophers stone. And the highest form is the red stone.

Hi! Shadow selfs different dans is a good list as far as i am aware. Though most are minor dans or stages of variations of an unfolding process. But different traditions have different definitions. Usually the highest is the golden elixir...this comes from merging of xing and ming...wich means merging of yuanshen with yuanqi.(but even that can vary). In the traditions i know yuanshen is soul. So the soul merges with ming (=yuanqi =life battery). Soul/yuanshen is preheaven yin. Ming/yuanqi is preheaven yang. Once they merge it becomes pure yang. This golden elixir matures into the yangshen and brings changes in awareness. (But as i said, different traditions follow different processes).

Ah ok...understood! Yeah i also was suprised that he equated the jade fluid with yuanjing.

Hi! I cannot follow you. What do you mean he is using it in a relativ way and not absolute?

Quite a good and advanced clip Why do you think this is controversial?

Neidan has never worked with jing, chi, shen. Working with the 3 is preparation phase. Neidan works with pre-heaven(yuan) jing chi and shen ....which is something very different. Hope that helps

Hi! On daodeqigong.com you can learn ancient northern neidan method of yuxian pai and later northern method (the most famous neidan....sitting meditation) of wuliu pai. On daode.ru you can now even learn the ancient northern method of wuliu pai (said to be Lao Tse method). All the best

The universal agent is not mercury. Mercury is the basic component of the socalled philosophers stone. Though practically you can make stone from minerals, herbs etc. In srictures mercury is called the supreme substances for making it....but one should really know how or it is deadly.

Hi! From what i was taught is that there are no alchemical herbs BUT alchemical prepared herbs. Through alchemical preparation their qualities are enhanced dramatically (and sometimes changed). Mercury for ex. is highly toxic but when one was taught the alchemical secret it becomes lifespan lengthenging, rejuvinating and healing. Simple form of herbs alchemy that is common today is spagyric. They have replenishing formulas but do not use chinese terms. Hope that helps a bit.

Hi! WLP is not one method but a school who preserves different neidan approaches. 1. Broad (later) northern alchemy method: which is the most publicly known neidan method as it is less restricted.... basically sitting meditation similiar (not the same) to quianfeng pai (taoist yoga book) 2. ancient northern method: really old method which was until recently only taught heart to heart and not much written down. WLP has opened that one under strict rules to the public. This is mostly standing practice but other ancient northern methods like Yuxian pai use sitting after preparation and mingrefillment. 3. ancient southern method: the oldest and most powerful one still only taught privately because it needs constant supervision. Only standing til the last stage (emptiness to dao) which is done sitting. Hope that helps Michael

? Of course is denying something an arguement. You made claims....i said yuxian pai does not do anything remotely what is described in that book. I also said what you said about wuliu pai is not true either. The only one not saying anything of value at all is not me.

Well you said "that you have quite a lot of experiences with yuxian pai and less with wuliu pai" and that they are "quite relatable". But yuxian pai does nothing even remotely similiar to anything in this book. And what i mentioned about Wuliu pai has nothing to do with branches from a tree at all.

Really? Where in Yuxian pai do you sit while meditating on the dantien? What kind of Wuliu pai method? Ancient northern, ancient southern or broad northern method?

Hi! 😊 I think such things are for people who do not want to do inner work.... for all the others trauma can be an immense growth factor given one works in a supportive setting with one of the great somatic modalities available. Things like EMDR Somatic experiencing EP (embodied processing) KI (Kiloby inquiries) Irene Lyons work (a very effective mixture of different somatic pratices). Etc Because with these medical interventions you learn nothing about your physiology, how to process emotions, how to get into contact with your body etc.

Hi! @Taoisttext ... would have to look inside the book. Translation was fire (up the back) and water (down the front). Palpandian "siddhas - masters of nature". It is on amazon.

Hi! Your statement is not true. Old indian traditions do have the mco (especially the Tamilsiddhas), they call it fire and water channel.

Hi! 😊 Could you describe some of this interplay with regards to the 10 heavenly stems and 12 earthly branches?

Hi Freeform! 😊 I was taught in different lineages that "rainbow body" (meaning the physical form completly disolves into light)is the highest attainment. Only in some very ancient daoist traditions there was one higher level....that was that the practitioner could decide the time WHEN to disolve the physical body....and with rainbow body they could not decide when , just that it disolves. They called that "completing the dao". Both said that disolving the physical body is a sign that all karma is disolved and that is why it is so rare. So what would be a higher attainment than that?