SeekerOfHealing

All esoteric sutras stress things into abhiseka which is initiation. Otherwise you can just say dog, cat or whatever other sound/mantra would you like to train your concentration - it's just buddhist mantras can be more appealing by their concept or form as buddhist or holy or whatever related to positive/clean/holy state of mind - but this is just psychological thing. True esoteric schools initiate person into mysteries which make mantras works on different level beyond people imagination. Unless you got recognition from higher realms you are just reciting words. Initiation is when you got empowerment for your mantra (not in tibetan terms) and connection, recognition to spiritual world after that mantra can start to work miracles otherwise any fool could recite mantra and kill/heal/be rich etc.

No, it's much difference.

I work with many people, kids (one was disabled) and there is adjustment with everyone. Kids should generate earth element mostly. Five animals it's for martial arts not for kids, it's advanced qigong which needs to be at least 14-15 to have developed good body to handle the qi without devation.

Yes it's first level of Yi Gong. no, it's not zi fa qi gong.

There are many mantras to attain siddhi but reciting mantra without initiation is useless.

Yeah but let's go back to the main topic of this which is great practice of realizing the Dao thru communication with immortal spirits and teachers. The Yantra of Secret Buddhism (Celestial Scroll) represents the Supreme Creator (Mahavairocana Buddha) supported by the heavenly five armies which are composed of Buddhas, Immortals, Saints and Deities, and it is also representative of the five branches of all religions in the universe, namely the Human's Way, the Deities’ Way, the Saint's Way, the Immortal's Way and the Buddha's Way. Those who cultivate the Human’s Way (such as Confucius’ Three Moral Bonds and Five Constant Virtues), become virtuous and law abiding citizens but will not have any religious achievement or recognition from Heaven as they do not have any merits nor any great deeds. Cultivating the Deities’ Way involves serving one’s country (in the fields of military and politics); they were the exemplary government officers when they were alive, and when they die, they will achieve a ranking among the Deities (or gods). Examples include famous Vietnamese generals who have temples erected all over the country for worship by the people, and in fact, because these generals were deified by heaven’s court, their worshipping has proved to bring miraculous results. The righteous kings in particular, can achieve sainthood as (for example King Fuxi, Shennong, Chou Wen-Wang…). As to Muhammad the prophet and his armies, even though they worship Allah, the Creator, and claim to achieve Sainthood, because they used warfare to establish His religion, it is categorized as the Gods’ Way. The Nomination of the Gods and Mysticism has clearly stated that: following a meeting in Heaven’s court, the three religious leaders (namely Yuan Shi Tian Zun, Tai Shang Lau Jung, and Tong Tian Jian Zhi) had told their disciples that Heaven’s Plan had decided to punish the Shang dynasty and establish a new ruler of West Zhou. The disciples of both the Righteous and Evil schools had to carry out Heaven’s Plan. Jiang Ziya himself had to obey his master and leave the mountain to join the mundane world so that he could help end the Shang dynasty and establish the West Zhou. He had to create the list of nominations of the Gods for those disciples who cultivated the Way of the Immortals but only achieved the rank of Gods. Thus, the story demonstrates that all wars and conflicts on earth are designed by heaven although the reasons behind them are unknown. In cultivating Sainthood, one serves the Government as a civil officer, performs good deeds and does not get involved in any killings. In the case of Christianity, Jesus initially preached Sainthood but later on his disciples became eager for fame and fortune and went to war for it; therefore they could only achieve a Deity’s rank. Actually there were some popes who were bribed by the German Nazis to turn a blind eye to the massacre of millions of Jews and the seizing of their assets; popes also colluded with the Italian Mafia and other political powers; also there were Christian clergymen who followed the French army to colonize Vietnam and other countries (see “Christianity and Colonialism” by Professor Cao Huy Thuan). Besides, the history of Christianity is full of killings between the Catholics and Protestants and internal struggles within the Christian community for power, not to mention the many bloody wars between Christianity and Islam from ancient times to the present. According to Lao Tzu’s teachings, one can achieve the same recognition as that of a Bodhisattva which is just slightly higher than that of Sainthood: “At this time, Grand Master Yuan Shi has the mission of teaching people the practice of becoming an “Immortal” (a fairly high rank in the spirits realm); for that he is called the Religious leader of the “White School,” or the righteous school. Grand Wizard Tong Tian Jian Zhi is the leader of the “Black School,” or the evil school, because most of his students come from animals, trees, or stones... They also cultivate the Way (spiritual path) hoping to achieve the Immortal rank but because of their low nature, only a few achieve it, the majority become Deities in various fields - The Nomination of the Gods and Mysticism.” Those who practice Buddhism observe the law of “Thou shall not kill”. However, for a very long time, although there were many who practiced Buddhism, few achieved Buddhahood, as it requires a high degree of virtue and righteousness, considerable blessings, great wisdom and much merit in serving mankind. Although Buddhism is considered ‘top of the pyramid’ because it advocates helping all sentient beings, one should not mistakenly assume that monks with high status and rank in the Buddhist hierarchy (Reverend, Venerable, Most Venerable …) are superior to the generals or political powers in the secular world. The reason is that monks only have the title of being Buddhists, but in essence they are simply people who have just started on the religious path, and have not even achieved the god’s status. They don monks’ robes, sheltering behind the Buddha, and they always think they are high and mighty, to the point that they don’t even know that they should have respect for the Deities. The Supreme Creator and the Divinities (who generally speaking are Buddhas, Bodhisattvas and the Divine Spirits) are the top echelon, heads of all celestial departments, commanding and managing all of human affairs very closely, and true to this saying: “Heaven’s net is sparse but not even a hair can escape”. Heaven’s net has been cast upon every nation in the world, from small tribes to the superpower states. So far, the American governments have believed deeply in GOD, the Creator- even though they cannot explain succinctly about it, and would often pray, especially before they sent their armies to war. Recently, during the Iraq conflict, the press had reported that Congress and the President had abstained from eating for one day to pray for American soldiers who had been stopped in their tracks from entering Baghdad by a sand storm which also caused a helicopter to crash (03/26/2003). By doing so, the American government was not being superstitious, but demonstrating that they fully understood that battles are not won only by the powers of weaponry or people, but also by the will of Heaven. History has shown them that many world conflicts had been lost just simply due to a snow storm or an outbreak of a disease. The American government had publicly proclaimed their belief in God by the motto written on the $1 note ... “In God we trust”, but in fact, they only believed in the Creator God and not in the Christian clergymen, whom they fully well understood to be just their political and social tools. That is why they used the clergy at times and at other times they brought priests to be tried in the court of law as criminals. Sociologists have made the following observation: “Every religious faith is involved with politics and many are henchman for politics.” Why is that so? History has shown that although religions may worship the Creator (Supreme GOD/Buddha...) they have been either used or repressed by political powers. Following are some examples: The Cambodian government had used first, Brahmanism, then Mahayana Buddhism and finally Theravada Buddhism to rule over the Khmer people. From past to present, the Cambodian monks have been under the command of political leaders. In Myanmar (previously known as Burma), recently the generals ordered the quelling of the demonstrations – monks were chased, beaten up and imprisoned exactly like the conditions suffered by Tibetan monks in their country. In Japan, monks were the government’s servants: “...monasteries were managed by monks and financed by the imperial court. They served as schools, hospitals, pharmacies, orphanages and nursing homes. The growth of Buddhism in its initial stage had been nurtured with such a high cost that, by the 8th century it became a burden to the country....” (Quote from Quintessence of Secret (Esoteric) Buddhism, by Scholar Trieu Phuoc) This unfortunate situation happens because a religion’s officiates only have superficial appearance of being religious (the title given by their order) when in truth their virtues, their spiritual roots (cultivation from past lives) and that of their spirit guardian are inferior to those of the military and political leaders. Although they claim to follow Buddha’s Way, the monks themselves cannot escape from the web of fame and power, therefore they also want to build their fortune through power struggles, and in doing so they fall into the Way of the Gods, and not the Way of Buddha. The fact that religions are repressed or exploited by political powers in their political chess games proves that political powers have Heaven’s mandate, and that is superior to that of religions. There have also been times when religions have a superior mandate to that of Government, as during the Middle Ages, when the popes performed coronations for European kings; or in China, where tantric Buddhist monks were appointed as chancellors of the country for three successive governments during the Tang dynasty; in Tibet, the Dalai Lamas were religious leaders as well as national heads... Those were true religious people, having higher spirit guardians and spiritual roots than their contemporary kings, and who therefore had gained the respect of the earthly powers and had become their teachers. However these people are very rare and can be counted on the fingers. The purpose of spiritual cultivation is to serve the purpose of the Great Plan. In order to achieve any high position in the religious realms, one must humbly study the Tao (Nature and Heaven’s laws - Dharma) from the ground up according to one’s spiritual root. If one’s spiritual root is not at the Deity’s level, then whether they don yellow or red monk’s robes and proclaim their high spiritual cultivation, and whether they falsely call themselves practitioners of the Buddha’s Way, 90% of them are under the Deity’s jurisdiction. Anyone practising according to any of the five branches of spiritual practice but who fails to achieve any position in the spiritual realm will be a public servant for the government when alive, and when dead will become a ghost or spirit soldier under the command of the Deities of Cities and the earth-gods.

Wow, thank you taoist texts is super important information here.

No, young kids should not do any qigong like five animals. This is shaolin qigong and it's not joke even if it's looks playful. Children should practice standing meditation those who have super-active to focus their Qi one pointed or tai chi and light qigong to be one pointed with their over-activity - and I mean here neidanish taichi, not regular one.

Some esoteric visualization transforms jing into qi if done properly.

Learn from Wu Liu Pai, they have (or at least their teacher) have great qigong for children. I wish they would make it public. or it is some potent neigong or even neidan. It's hard me to tell as I heard only some stories bout it. I think children from 5 of age can practice it.

Yes, Kunlun is generally Yi gong + other practices.

Yes, Red phoenix opens all nina palaces. Golden Dragon body is the same as yang sheng. Master Jenny was always buddhist and daoist like most of practitioners who study in china.

CT is not even buddhist so there no sense talking to him on those matters. He can study buddhism but to become buddhist or buddha it's not easy thing. @Ormus bout 25 or 26 years ago, I and five other disciples traveled in our van to Washington D.C following an invitation from Mr. Phu, an attorney. At the time we did not know that he was once President Thiệu’s legal advisor. When we got there we visited one meditation center of Vo Vi Friendship Association in the U.S. and met about ten members (who used to go to the center for meditation on Sundays) and the head of the group, an ex-army officer of the previous regime. It seemed that he had heard of us from a video about our lecture, and from our performing initiation rites for about 30 Vo Vi members at Fountain Valley branch, led by Mr. Lac, not too long ago. Looking to preserve his status in the sect, he expressed his doubts and derided us, suggesting that we belonged to the center of Intelligence of the North Vietnam regime. Therefore they asked us many questions and did not ask for the initiation rites. The meeting was brief and we took our leave. One of their members, named Tuat, had invited us to her home. When we got there, she and her sister named Quan asked us for the initiation rites into Secret Buddhism (Quan was not a follower of the Vo Vi sect). Mr. Phu had allowed his nephew, who at the time was about 19 or 20 years old, to receive the initiation. So Tuat, Quan and the nephew were initiated and they all received the Buddha’s Power. After we gave them the permission to initiate others, we left Washington D.C for Canada before we returned to Colorado. About 2 months later, we received a letter from a couple. The wife was a head nurse in Vietnam, and continued to work as a R.N. in the hospital in Washington D.C. The husband is a professor at the University of Sciences in Saigon. We called him Uncle Hoang. Uncle Hoang wanted to come see us in Colorado, together with his sister-in- law. We agreed. When we met, they told us that Quan, whom I had recently initiated,was actually their daughter-in-law. She had given the initiation rites to both of them, her husband, and her brothers-in-law. They told us that the nephew of Mr. Phu had the Buddha’s force and performed powerful kung fu moves. Mr. Phu was very delighted. Regarding Uncle Hoang, before he received the initiation, he had tripped and severely injured his foot. It was very painful and he was limping. His wife had taken him to the hospital, and the X-rays showed he had a fracture, and he was receiving medical treatments. After Quan initiated him, an unexpected thing happened. His painful leg suddenly healed up quite beyond the expectation of everybody in the family and the doctors. From having this miracle and the divine signs that happened with other people following their initiation, they wanted to ask us permission to print the book: Secret Buddhism – Middle volume ( at this time we did not yet have the Quintessence of Esoteric Buddhism) and the Cundi Sutra. With our approval, they went to a Vietnamese print shop in Colorado to have them printed before returning to Washington D.C. Since then, Quan continued to initiate many people and they all had wonderful signs upon their praying. A few months later, the religious practitioners in the area invited us to Washington D.C to ask if they could form Mat Giao (secret Buddhism) Friendship Association in America. We gave our consent, as we did not see any problems. Mr. Phú (he had helped the Vo Vi sect start the Vo Vi Friendship Association) helped us with the paperwork to start Mat Giao Friendship Association in America, a non profit organization which aimed to print and distribute free books on Secret Buddhism to people who knew about it and wrote to ask for it. When we got back to Colorado, Uncle Hoang called to give us some news up where he was: On the occasion of Tet (Vietnamese New Year), following our consent, Uncle Hoang’s family had rented a booth in the Vietnamese fair in Washington D.C in order to distribute our books. Our booth was next to one from Protestant denomination, but they were selling their books while we gave out ours for free; therefore many people came to our booth. Besides the books, they had 3 or 4 numbers of Mat Giao magazine, published monthly, for people to see and sign up to get it sent to their homes. During this Tet festival, Quan had initiated many high ranking ex- government officials from the Republic of Vietnam such as Mr. Chu Ngoc Lien, Director of the Presidential Cabinet, and a Colonel, once director of Saigon-Cholon police forces. Then, there was Lieutenant General Lư Lan, who once was commander of the 2nd Military zone before 1975, a friend of the Hoang’s family, who stopped by the booth to pick up some Matgiao books and registered for the Matgiao magazine. Uncle Hoang had suggested that he receive the initiation but he tactfully declined. One year passed and we had another opportunity to return to Washington D.C. This time we stayed with the Hoang family. Then Lieutenant General Lu Lan contacted Uncle Hoang to express his wish to be initiated into Secret Buddhism by us. Uncle Hoang told us that Mr. Lu Lang liked to read and recite from the Earth Store Boddhisatva Sutra. When we met, he wanted to recite in the name of Amitabha Buddha to receive the initiation, and he promptly received the divine sign. We had noticed that he was a very cautious person from the fact that he had read our books and followed closely our monthly magazine for a whole year before he himself come to ask for the Initiation. We returned to Washington D.C. on another occasion to provide support to our religious practitioners. One day, Uncle Hoang introduced to us two persons, who wanted to receive inìtation from us if possible. We knew the name of one, he was an ex-Lieutenant General in charge of military security of the South. The other one was introduced to us simply as a high ranking government official, his name was not revealed to us. The ex-Lieutenant General (we won’t mention his name, and will call him Mr. A, and his friend Mr. expressed his sincere wish to be initiated. After praying for about 15 minutes, he did not receive any divine sign. Mr. B therefore did not venture to ask for the initiation. Before they left, we noticed that Mr. A picked up the coat and put it on his friend, Mr. B. From his respectful action we deduced that Mr. B must be his superior. Later, during a conversation with a Colonel , we asked about Mr. B and was told that he was a Lieutenant General who once served as Secretary of Defense for Vietnam’s old regime, and had held other important posts. Later, we heard from Uncle Hoang about Mr. A. He was contrite as a result of not receiving the Holy Force during his initiation. He said to the couple: I know why I did not receive the Holy Force: it was because of my sins. So, Mr A thought that the Divinities did not acknowledge his prayers and he felt a sense of guilt, as in political life naturally one gets involved in matters of good and evil. However, we felt, as a result of our experiences, that his feeling guilty was not necessarily correct, because many people did not receive the force their first time. It was not because of sins, but rather a test for perseverance from the Divinities. If he were to receive the initiation a few more times, he would also receive the Holy force. I want to bring you back to the “Nomination of the Gods” and reflect upon the battle between the Chau and Tru Dynasties, which illustrates this the saying “If one’s career is as a General, when he dies he will become a Genie.” Which means the Generals, through their contributions in fighting for their country, will achieve the rank of Immortal if they survive the war and die from old age. However, if they die in battle, they will become Genies instead (which is a lower rank in the Spirit world).” I have had the opportunity to have met many officers in the military; they all started their careers from low and rose to high, and had survived many battles to become Generals. They are those who once were wreaking havoc on the military and political stage of South Vietnam during the time when I was just a high school student. When they met with me, they were in their 50’s to 60’s, while I was around 30-something years old, and preaching secret Buddhism. They all had Divinities who had been protecting them in their military lives, and, toward the end of their lives, their Spiritual Protectors had prompted them to come and meet with me in order to tell me wonderful and mysterious stories they had come across in their lives, or to ask for initiation into Secret Buddhism, as well as to officially ask for a passport for their entry to Heaven. I only met them once, and gave them the initiation. So far I have not had any further contacts or communications. As this article was written, they may already have "returned to the realm of the Immortals” ( otherwise, they must be in their eighties …)

Kunlun is one of the best practice I tried and effects are generally neidan'ish. I luckly studied with Max personally and even if kunlun is not neidan is still most powerful qigong powers I experienced.

All people who grasped Yang Shen concept I came to terms that is actually fake or misunderstood concept. You will not attain immortal invisible body thru any of so called ming, xing, or anything like that practices. It's even make no sense. What makes you immortal is wisdom. Only wisdom can become immortal. Yang Shen = Immortal Wisdom, not body nor mind nor consciousness. (They are impermanent results of taji vel yin and yang workings) That's why nobody from any tradition could really explain nature of yang shen as they have only imagination and concepts, like an ass following the carrot. Cultivating apparitions and illusions will not bring any yang shen. That why yang shen comes from emptiness as they are related to wisdom and results as wisdom. when it comes to the true teacher - that's fake teaching too or at least misunderstood as the yang shen. True teacher is only one who knows nuts and bolts of this body and mind structure which means it can be you for yourself if you are willing to pay attention to those things. Do not get into idea that you can not know ming (as some schools says like Wu liu Pai). You can now ming as how do hell anybody would else know? How true teacher knows ming-xing or whatever which you would consider to be true is not by it's own nature, wisdom, practice etc. ? So true teacher is you and you willingness looking into your own nature by developing immortal wisdom (yang shen). Relative true teacher can point you out, but the True-True teachers is yourself - rather then look for true teacher look on life itself, Dao is not hidden as long we are willing to put our attention into developing wisdom. so here you have it, now go practice your immortal wisdom.

Talking bad about something good is rather personal attack. Critical approach to any school is very good approach.

Yes, if you can explain nature of yang shen (it's not necessary to be upon texts or anything like that, just straight wisdom)

I appreciate all the comments but they are not saying anything particular related to the question of the nature of yang shen, if it's really permanent etc.

Tibet Buddhism has been declining since before WW2 and as of now, it is known only by its name. Even though its real strength has gone, the machines of propaganda from Tibet Lamas still function at full force, mostly exaggerating things that are far from reality such as claiming that the lineage of transmission of Tibet Lamas is the most important, the most legitimate, reasoning that Tibet Buddhism is superior to that of Japan, China, India, Thailand, Laos or Cambodia, that the Lamas are all Buddha’s, Bodhisattva’s incarnate, or living Buddha, etc. These bombastic and vague statements, however, could not fool the American people accustomed to scientific thinking. They have not given too much consideration at all to Tibet Buddhism. The lineage of transmission in traditional Secret Buddhism (through Initiation) has been up until now but only performed in a closed circle of a few individuals, the reason being the monks and lamas are not allowed by Heaven to propagate it publicly. Even though the Lamas have organized large gathering to transfer the secret seal up to a few thousand people at one time, and use the word Initiation into the Mysteries, it is only a ceremony of appearance where people do not receive any supernatural phenomenon as they are supposed to, instead they receive a handkerchief, some braided multicolored threads, or some water on the head. That is no difference from ordinary, traditional Buddhism. They consider themselves Secret Buddhism practitioner, but in name only. In reality, they are not able to contact the Great Beings and can only resort to study regular sutras which are what we call books with words, written by human beings. And as books or sutras, all of them (Shurangama sutra, Great Paramita sutra, Flower Garland sutra etc..) including the books from Secret Buddhism such as the Diamond Sutra, The Vairocana Sutra … are all unproven theories, in which 9 out of 10 are wrong even though each sutra loudly claims that it is the King of Sutra. If you have not read at least 100 of these sutras, you cannot have enough data to compare them and to see that all of them are false claims of superiority due to the ego of the writer of that time, each negating the opinions of the other and competing for uniqueness, that all of them were written from mortals who never had any personal experiences with the supernatural or any ties with Heaven’s Spirits or Heaven’s Court, and yet, loved to discourse at length about the Supernatural, Great Spirits, God and Buddha; all of them were fabrications to complicate the matters about religion but not to be mistaken as religion itself. Old Guru has centralized Secret Buddhism of the world by bringing in Secret Buddhism of the South (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma) and that of the North (from the various sutras from Venerable Thich Vien Duc, the latter also could only transfer the secret seal privately and only to a few). He had the mandate from Heaven (Vairocana Buddha) to disseminate World Secret Buddhism to the general public and not from any of the traditional Secret Buddhism lineage of transmission on earth. And Old Guru has effectively transmitted the Secret Seal through Initiation, by coordinating with the innumerable Buddhas of the 10 directions. Without such coordination, contacting with Great Beings will be impossible. Over the past 30 years, more than 10,000 people have received the initiation ritual and experienced the supernatural power, the majority of them were performed by Old Guru’s disciples either directly or over the phone and the Internet to people from various faiths and races. Most of them only heard about Old Guru but never met him. When a person is initiated into the Mysteries, it means that he/she is registered as a student with Heaven (or Department of Education) and learns with innumerable Buddhas of the ten directions (professors from Heaven) the subject in the ‘Wordless Sutra’ ( mystical experiences and divine revelations), in religious terms they have been allowed to ‘take refuge’ in Heaven. It also means that following the initiation and upon receiving the proof of enrollment (supernatural sign) the person from then on will have a Buddha from Heaven who will be responsible for the material and spiritual life of the disciple and will guide him/her until he/she attains Buddhahood. The disciple must diligently learn or cultivate spiritually to become enlightened and not rely on the Buddha. The student must earn good grade in order to graduate, otherwise no Buddha can help him/her.

Wu Liu Pai attacks itself eating it's own tail.

I will send you text for Nudan. Send me PM.

Lust is okay as long you do not think that lust is yours or you or mine or "I".

"If any one wishes to cultivate Tao, he should firstly cultivate merits. All the supreme emperors of various heavens, the lofty honored ones of various heavens, the Real Persons in various heavens, and the divinities and immortals of various heavens, had been cultivating merits diligently, so that they had ascended the positions of Sage and Reality, and their ranks were granted according to their merits recorded by the heavens. If one has accumulated fully one thousand merits, both his body and his divinity (souls) will become immortal; if his merits are near but less than one thousand, his divinity will become immortal but his physical body will decay; if his contributions benefit trillions of people, he will be a guest of the Jade Pure Pellucid One (The Original Universal Lord). He will slough off his mundane body and become an immortal person, and the immortal person will then become a Real Person. A Real Person is unhindered, and is thoroughly dissolved in the Nature; when his body disperses, he is the diffuse uncreated(pre-cosmic) energy; when the energy converge, he appears as a person. He has unrestricted supernatural abilities, and can transform himself into anything or even be formless; he can fly through the Three Realms, and travel all the dark and bright regions freely. When I was living in the mundane world, I made contributions to the world, and then when I ascended to the heaven, the gods of heavens announced my merits. If anyone can vow to pull and relieve all living beings from their sufferings and his heart never retrogrades (keep practicing it and never regret), he will naturally achieve the true Tao" See, be good and be immortal. No need of methods or anything wu liu pai, true teachers.

I found way to inject quickly FP energy then regular absorption, results is even more amazing.

I like awaken but this was funny tho