SeekerOfHealing

I once read that Taoist had similar tradition or textual transmission (similar to dzogchen) but thru text. When practitioner find text, the power of text could attain here and there immortality. It was scholarly work which I forgot by Fibrizio.

That's why pointed him out that he is just a beginner in Wu Liu Pai, there is big gap between those high level Wu Liu Pai people and beginners who got hyped up with results of their shengong. Like you got results it's fine but the moment some people got results start bashing other people burning their bridge to true cultivation. Anybody who says Xiao Yao Pai is fake school means he is just fake and attached to small things, letting go small things open space to big things. Anybody who even cultivate qigong can sense what going on effilang video.

First we need come to couple terms about "schools" and traditions per se. The most popular term used for it is Daojia (道家). Taoism itself is natural and free (Xiao Yao Pai is essence of natural or first Taoism) then Daojia appears to by synthetic part of evolution of schools and stuff like this so saying that necessity of schools, teachers, traditions and all that is synthetic form of Taoism which I do not mean by any means or consider as "bad" but some people trying to expel "first" Taoism for sake of synthetic by products know as schools. Schools are not that important nor teachers as Dao itself is a teacher, it's important for humans and for their comfort and natural reaction to organize things - but this is not really Taoism when things are not organized by themselves. @A.A.Khokhlov Why your students bash Xiao Yao Pai without any argumentation - they call it spontenous qigong (without understanding that some practices have similar results or move body like in spontaneous qigong in Wu Liu Pai there are practices like that which looks like spontaneous moves). There are many traditions which have initiation or transmission thru various ways. Texts or divine transmission (xian tian) like in Xiao Yao Pai. In historic example there are many people like Yang Xi who received knowledge directly from immortals. In Ge Hong texts you have many examples of such traditions and experiences so why argue about obvious things?

Effilang clear post and class. This is how it should be. Hands down with great and down to earth clarification. Thanks for creating an insight in this mess.

there is no god in abrahamic way of understanding as it make no sense. but there are spiritual beings which are eager to help if you have right key or password to do so.

The thing is people keep those "secret" rather to just give them out - just like that. Unless there is need for initiation for those methods it's silly to keep them out unless someone have business with it.

Heaven mandate is not religious thing, you getting into extremes. It's clear experience like those you have in neidan when you getting in contact with Xians into spiritual form. Those things which we speaks we are speaking (or I'm speaking) straight from measure experiences which anybody can repeat probably the same like you but from different context, the problem is that you think your or the experiences you know are only right but how can you know without practicing in others schools? Did you practice XYP? Did you practice Longmen Pai? Zhen Dao? and others? I do not think, there are many schools which works efficiently. There are even buddhist ming methods in japan but you school things that buddhist lost their ming (which is mostly right). Did you practice or did research or other lineages? did you practices in others streams before?

I mean we can all agree I think the key is emptiness here to tap into pre-heaven and transform jing mai, further purification of emptiness change body into light itself. It's not that hard but it's time consuming to keep rice cooking.

No. it's make no sense and you fall into his manipulation. Whatever school or not you can use this kind of logic to manipulate people into fake school itself. There is no rule to that. School or no school it does not give more legitimacy to anything. Buddha or other masters didn't create schools, zen masters didn't create schools - only those who wanted to make business (religion) and manipulate people with other masters achievements to get their way to comfortable life. This is logic you can adapt against your argument which means generally the same. So whatever you put this way or that way, school or no school - there is no guarantee on legitimacy no matter how many stories and how much quasi-logic you want to put it in to convince yourself into believing that your school is right. School have sense if it's initiatory school or mystery school when people do not have personal agenda like Xiao Yao Pai as it's from divine mandate which human greed can not penetrate into immortal realm. Regular schools of people are full of vice, greed and other things as religions. Of course there are genuine people as for the rule of yin and yang, when 90% are yin false people there are 10% or 1% that will make thru cultivation. Just do not try convince yourself into something using broken logic like this please. Just see things the way they are - that the best way to be and see things. Human schools are human and have the same flaws as creators which is nothing wrong if you understand it and aware of it. (unless they are straight snake oil sellers)

There is secret to "super powers" energy is only one ingredient you need also second one which manifest in physical results as it's follow the nature. Energy is manifesting as our physical world too but it's need to have a bridge, regular people have energy but do not have a bridge.

What she speaking about is very similar to Long Men cultivation, she even spoke about ming method very good.

I saw teacher of single yang and he do not look young nor like immortal or nothing you talking about - stop selling people dream. He actually is very "decent" looking nothing like you speak off but I will not judge him the way you wanna portray people but to base on your judgement your teacher is not immortal in sense of physicality.

Tantric Theravada is pretty common, very common.

Yep, there are many people who speaks about knowledge from books about what is true and what is not on basis of readings rather then cultivation which makes no sense. How can you know only by reading what is true and what is false base on your own acceptance and opinion? Most people are ignorant (sorry) so they will accept everything on the basis of ignorance not cultivation.

Third eye is not an eye but dimnesion.

Pre-heaven = doing nothing, wu wei Post-heaven = doing something Cultivation = doing something while doing nothing.

hahah lmao

Do Gua Sha if you have knee pains.

So, you mean it will happen automatic if you Wu Wei?

What you say it's true, but you need method for it.

How I can hate this school if I know Wu Liu teachers (which probably taught you) and respect your methods like 九阳神功. You guys are spreading rumors about Wu Liu - not me. If you teachers laugh about others schools without respect - they are not sages. You also teach "spontaneous qigong" in your school so why do you try ridicule it? Why do you not go to XYP place and take a challenge? Many people are invited to do so and nobody would appear for sure. If you judge book by it cover you can miss the point. If someone doing Wu Liu Pai yuanqi practices would move similar many people would say too "oh this is just spontaneous practices" This is nonsense - you do not have powers to see which forces actually are moved, you do not see pre-natal energies which are in working in Effi video. (those can be felt though if you focus on that video). but well I do not want get into nonsense, let get to the point please. There is XYP branch in China, but it will not be enclosed, but there is, story behind and everything is similar - but I do not know the situation if they are know each other or not, if they have connection or not. I suppose they are closed doors branch of XYP - but this is my theory not fact because there things happen beyond understanding of regular person as those things go straight from Lao Tzu times.

yes. i still research on that topic of "divine transmission" in western understanding or in hermetic/neoplatonic view it would be theurgy work directly with the divine

There is, even those in Xiao Yao Pai practitioners who speaks here do not really know or they will not speak about it. Your teacher should know (single yang) the name of chinese branch or teacher of single yang, they know the names but they do not know people and places. This is very deep lineage but you need to do your homework with your teacher to understand why high levels practitioners of Wu Liu and other branches accepts XYP. Why i speak in such secretive manner? As those practitioners are high officials which was also with terms with XYP.

See, that's the difference. In Xiao Yao you have clarity, achievements, everything out there and in other schools, even long men have clear stages and explanations in classic texts. Playing like that make no sense, if you have no intention of giving - then there is no point of starting any kind of this conversations.

Great vast of knowledge awaken. thank you for sharing your gems. You are not 孫不二 in disguise?