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Americans did something about BP in the Gulf in 1814...

If you count the petals on every lotus, you will know math the way those Indian out-of-nowhere no-education math geniuses do who blow Cambridge professors' minds before proceeding straight to Nobel prizes (true story, forget the names of the scientists involved). Moreover, you will know HOW they know because you yourself will have the know-how. Better than that, you will have accessed innate math, the kind trees use to calculate their multidirectional growth, balanced just so that they don't topple over. More -- you will have the sacred-geometrical store open its doors and invite you in as a valued customer to sample any and all of its delicious candies, the ones normally reserved for gods. ahhh... for one summer, they were mine.

It's only the first trillion that's difficult to make.

Doom and gloom? You're a glowing optimist. 22nd century humans?.. I wish I was a starry-eyed dreamer who could believe in them. Very interesting analysis, by the way... but I do actually mean physical external alchemy, with the crucible, the bellows, the distilled goodies to add, the whole nine yards. Not metaphorical. Hands-on stuff.

My fault -- I'm trying to formulate an inquiry but am forced to leave out a few crucial premises (political AND taoist, for different reasons of course), so I am acutely aware of my own lack of clarity in expressing myself in this one. "Magic" is the technical term for what you and your friend have been discussing. It's much broader than, though inclusive of, "alchemy." "Alchemy" is primarily concerned with transmutation of elements. "Magic" may or may not be concerned with that. Of course a hard core occultist will always interlace an alchemical endeavor with magic... but not every magician will do alchemy and not every alchemist will do magic.

Hi Rain, thanks for your thoughts... and it's definitely a good idea to watch out for when we tense up in response to a subject... relax and don't let the bastards grind us down. What information do you mean my sources are of? If of the happenings in the Gulf in the context of other happenings in the world, that's thousands of hours of prior research, some ten years invested into trying to "get it," with zero reliance on syndicated media sources at that -- so I specifically asked everybody to keep the thread politics-free because I don't want to talk outta you know what and to talk out of my research would hijack my life into something pretty endless, and that's what I was trying to avoid. If your question is about where I get the information that the process in the Gulf is alchemical in its nature, which is exactly what I wanted to explore -- well, that's the kind of recognition you get from having been exposed to alchemical processes yourself, you don't youtube that, nor google, you use your pattern recognition skills... or rather, they use you?.. The reason I want to get input from similarly pattern-recognition-trained folks is that there's many blanks in the picture and many disinformation sources and non-information sources that I want to bypass, and to be able to do that, I have to understand the logistics of the process myself. E.g., Gerald Celente, a rather famous and very accurate American trend forecaster, publisher of the Trends Journal, hasn't dis- or mis-informed me in the past, unlike CNN et al... so when he says the disaster itself will generate trillions of dollars for the very people who have created it, the taoist in me makes note of a "gold making process" and hypothetically phases it in. Then she (the taoist in me) looks at Western external alchemical tradition and notices that fire-water are used in conjunction with lead-mercury, e.g., and starts looking for lead-mercury in the process unfolding to see if it fits the picture. No information is available, e.g., about the composition of Corexit, the formula is secret (and the name orwellian, and the obligatory x in it disturbing), but I know that any hint from anywhere of lead and mercury in it would corroborate the alchemical picture, while a definitive absence of any from anything used would make me question it. And so on. I have to look at multiple sources "holographicaly" to get it, something very complex can't be simplified to any simple explanation without generating a lie. And what's going on is easily the most complex thing to ever go on. I worked as a technical writer for oil and gas inustries for a few years in the beginning of my working life, and my both parents are professionals in the field -- my father headed a research lab and my mother designed major pipelines. So when I say "complex" I mean I have somewhat of a frame of reference... w a y complex... so I can't call what I have "information" yet... just a feel for its nature and dimentions, more like...

To get less theoretical, one can ascertain that a visualization meditation can be as mindful as it gets yet as unlikely to slip into self-hypnosis as it is impossible to bite your own elbow, here's a technique you might want to try: lie on your back, breathe naturally, close your eyes; visualize your big toes; visualize a lotus flower growing out of each big toe; a buddha is sitting in the center of each lotus flower; visualize each buddha's big toes; see a lotus flower grow out of each of these new buddhas big toe; and a buddha is sitting in each; and a lotus is growing out of every buddha's big toe; and a buddha is sitting in the center; etc. If you can go like that for an hour and not lose track of all the toes, lotuses, and buddhas, pat yourself on your enlightened back. If you lose track within minutes, you will get a good idea of your mind's current limitations far as its "mindfulness" capabilities. Which is valuable input in and of itself.

Amen to that. (Now I regret I deleted my own earlier entry, which was a statement of quite similar ideas in somewhat stronger terms. I feared there'd be no takers... I keep forgetting that it's not just beginners, OCD cases, escapists, and fundamentalists who meditate... contrary to what a quick read of any meditation-infested forum may lead one to believe.)

It's a work in progress, but fellow bums are cordially invited to check it out as I go, and I will appreciate any feedback. The main part of the planned China blog will be dedicated to an extensive interview with a lineage TCM doctor, the official "living tradition" of Xi'an (the ancient capital of China during several dynasties) and Wang Liping's student since age 13. I have several hours of recordings which I will need to write up. I also plan to include an interview with the doctor's American apprentice, a tradition-in-the-making in his own right. And more... For now, though, I just started with my personal notes taken on the trip. Here's the link: http://ailian.wordpress.com/

I visited a catholic monastery in Peru where a magnificent fresco at the dining hall depicts the Last Supper with Jesus and the apostles being served a guinea pig for their meal and ayahuasca for their drink. Integration of indigenous and colonial religious beliefs doesn't surprise me, my question mark was an intonational marker, not an expression of disbelief. Anyway... the master does sound wonderful. One word of caution for those who might want to fly to China: don't fly China Southern. I did it and it took me at least a week to recover from the fun -- their seats are toy-tiny and the spaces between the rows nonexistent (you start yearning to be magically transformed into a grasshopper so as to fold your knees backward, because forward there's no room for them at all), the person in front of you reclines his or her chair smack onto your chest and there's no escape. On the way back, China Air fared much better.

Yeah, too bad our society discriminates against knitting and embroidering males! I discovered much meditation in both activities, some qigong, and even some taijiquan. I've just returned from 1 1/2 months in China... one observation: Chinese men don't shun yin activities to the extent ours do. On a hot day you see a guy fanning himself with a pretty silk fan, another one carrying a flowery umbrella over his head (instead of toxic sunscreen on his skin)... I will post pictures in evidence one of these days. More yin=longer lasting. Statistically and taoistically, that is.

I believe "his wife of forty-five years" means they've been married for that period of time, not that she's 45. While Hollywood stars routinely update their spouses just as feudal lords did in China, taoists generally despise the practice -- and catholics don't even allow it?.. -- and the master is both?.. -- so... however old his wife is, looks like he's stuck with the same wife he had when he was half his present age!

Stunned or tranced out is close too! "Slow stupid..." ...hmm, yup, that too, next to master Wang I did feel that way, which is not my normal self-perception! And I don't mean slow-stupid in the mind -- no, not there... but when, e.g., he physically and visibly moved his liver from under a blow he invited someone to deliver (I had an argument with a surgeon here, by the way, who scientifically denied the possibility of this happening -- albeit I've seen it with my own eyes), I did feel as though my own liver is slow and stupid... I mean, "scientifically correct."

I'm ashamed to use "the lingo" myself. Just a local tradition. WLP is Wang Liping.

Thanks for the translation, Vortex! Yes, this probably makes more sense than what I've come up with. It was actually funny... The general consensus was that daigong (which was performed daily for 10 days) "hits" people in the front rows stronger than those in the back, so at first it was decided between practitioners that people newer to WLP's system would sit in the back so as not to get overwhelmed, and seasoned practitioners, in the front, with mid-range folks in the middle. Since it was my first encounter, at first I modestly placed myself in the last row. Well, what do you know. WLP lectured in the front but then positioned himself somewhere in the back of the audience for daigong -- and hit me like a ton of bricks. So then it was decided to draw numbers (row and seat) before each class to randomize the process. As for how well people metabolized the process -- that's hard for me to tell, since they all live in Russia or China, and the only person I'm in touch with currently is an instructor/assistant, which means in a class of his own of course. It was my impression that the participants were a motley crew -- some definitely "showing" the fruits of cultivation and others seemingly unaffected by the experience. There were a few people who come from a real-life martial/fighting background and of course one's cultivation goals will affect the outcome... There were also some ex-Chia sexual alchemists, tantrics, aficionados of taoism via their theoretical studies, health buffs... pretty much like everywhere else, everybody's mileage will vary.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law) English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - )

There's different types of transmissions. The one I got from WLP was of the variety known as "daigong," not sure how to spell it in Chinese (only heard the word orally), I tried looking it up and the closest vocabulary meaning I found that might be right was "go-slow as a form of strike" (sic) or "lazy strike." In any event it was close enough to the subjective sensations. The purpose is not to strike you of course (though I've seen some people squirm in pain under daigong -- my own experience was, physically, intense pleasure in the kidneys and intense, gradually increasing pressure all over the rest of the body, like a steam roller...) The purpose is to get you... um, give you... um, don't know how to say it other than "to daigong you..." ...into the teacher's state -- the state he is in or rather, the entity he IS -- to get that projected into you systemically. Then... well, if you're ready to be the same kind of entity the teacher is, all of the transmission will be accepted by your system. If you are only partially ready, parts of you will "get it" and parts of you won't. If you're absolutely nowhere near ready, you won't get shit. Imagine a vastly more efficient pattern of qi configuration superimposed on your own... there's going to be adjustments, internalizations, clashes and bouncebacks, some of you will get modulated and some of you will get, um, rejected, found incompatible, and so on. The amount of transmission you will actually get out of the experience depends on who you are. I.e. the teacher might project the same daigong at the whole group but reactions of the group members will be dramatically different. Then, whatever you get, you can and should develop yourself, via cultivation practices you've been taught, following the system the teacher who gave you the transmission uses himself. Having received daigong will streamline the process and help you. But having received it and then not proceeding to practice will nullify it. So, like so many things taoist, a transmission (at least of this type, I don't know all of them, obviously) is a work of co-creation between the master and the student.

Agreed, agreed, agreed! I see a whole zoo too. And dragons and phoenixes too! And a lioness and a tiger... Ya Mu, you also see into other dimensions when looking at something in broad daylight?.. Happens to me all the time. I see faces behind faces, very clearly the infant in the forehead, the immortal fetus between the nose and the lips, what-not. The real face, the original face, the face-to-come. Oh, and nonhuman faces behind human faces too, on occasion...

Um... OK, I'll try to explain myself, this one time, out of my respect for you. However, the idea of having to do it on any continuous basis doesn't appeal to me at all, that's not what I'm here for -- and if I am ever faced with the need to keep piling up explanations and excuses for the decisions I make to the best of my ability consciously and responsibly, I'll simply lay down the mod sword and let someone else do the dirty work. It has been decided by the owner of the forum and the mods team that the free-for-all insulting unfriendly environment will not be ignored anymore and much less encouraged. Too many worthy participants, dedicated cultivators, people of taoist and human merit, simply left in disgust after their ideas were called dumb, stupid, crazy and so on, and frankly I don't see much difference between "you are crasy" and "your thinking is absolutely crazy," the latter being the entry I was objecting to. I have no power at all here beyond what has been agreed upon between Sean and all the mods in concert. I personally suspended one person, for one week, yesterday, for the first time in all of my moderatorship, even though other mods called for three weeks and the offending member himself was volunteering for 90 days. The only thing I've done differently, and that's also recent, was to introduce the idea that moderators' work must be made public for everyone to see, i.e. instead of PMs with warnings, use posted warnings straight on the board in case a mod deems it necessary, and instead of a member simply disappearing, a public notification that he or she is under suspension for such and such period of time. This idea was supported by other mods, and so I acted on it, and so you saw it instead of being kept in the dark. The rationale behind my actions being to PREVENT abuse of power -- I don't like secrecy and I believe secrecy is conductive to abuse of power, although not one of our mods nor the owner is known or suspected to be prone to such abuse. Not one, and not me, far as I know. I have very strong convictions but I will express them as a regular poster only; as a moderator, I will simply do what has been agreed upon by the whole team, no more, no less. Hope this makes sense to you.

There are honest doctors, sure thing, including in my family and among my friends... the problem with their honesty is, they are honestly dedicated to the Standard of Care that is established by the big pharma, this is the only thing they've learned, and they honestly believe they are doing real medical work -- that's because they haven't learned anything except for what the pharma cartel has put in the med schools curricula. Doctors who are honest may be honest, but the Standard of Care they are tied down to is anything but. And... what you believe to be the case with emergency care, to wit western medicine being superior at that, I also happen to consider yet another of its myths backed up by extensive brainwashing of the public but not by the facts. It's just that real emergency procedures that are part of every authentic medical tradition have been the first ones to be destroyed and disallowed, so you get western emergency care or none at all -- well, perhaps the former is better in some cases than the latter, but how about any other options? They existed for a million years... I personally know a few, and have used something as simple as the Bach Rescue Remedy that worked immediately and miraculously before my very eyes (e.g., on someone fainting from a prescription drug he had taken and hitting his head on the edge of the bath tub...). I was also on the receiving end of the emergency care when I got into a car accident a few years ago. The paramedics almost killed me because they are instructed to immobilize the hurt person's neck with a brace regardless of what the person herself is telling them -- and I was telling them I needed my neck to breathe because my chest wasn't doing a very good job at that point (there was a sternum fracture, as it turned out), to say nothing of the lower dantien ...but they FORCED the neck brace on me, and once they did, I couldn't breathe anymore, even though I was breathing just fine before they did -- so I had to use my last oxygen to argue with them trying to get them to take the damn thing off and wound up threatening massive legal action unless they do and hooray, it worked, they took it off and I could breathe again and my survival was not in jeopardy anymore. The doctor at the emergency room, three or four hours later when he did show up (emergency care my ass), proceeded to mis-read the X rays, mis-diagnose the injury, mis-treat it, and put me in further danger... luckily he was convinced by the radiologist to take a second look at the X rays, after I used up all my remaining strength trying to convince him to. So... thanks but no thanks. Emergency care is every bit as f...d up as the rest of it, in my humble experience. As for whores on both sides, I can't disagree... it's true, but that's the set-up -- real medicine having been meticulously and purposefully destroyed, you wind up with knowing and unknowing frauds on both sides, what else?.. Naturally. "All-natural" frauds abound too, and many of them are also completely honest...

I agree completely. I've been reading books like "Forbidden Archeology" and what not, and comparing mythologies of the various peoples of the world and so on, and have come to the same conclusion. In fact, I've seen history being hidden during my own lifetime. I've seen things happen and then I've seen the official account of these things and the official version consisted exclusively of lies. Not to mention a few esoteric sources I've been exposed to that corroborate the same idea... Let me tell you about a very strange one... I used to have a weird guy for a co-worker, who was messed up in many ways, from a mafia background to a drug abuse problem to the general "trouble" feel about him... so anyway, one day I had to work on a project with him on a weekend, just the two of us for a few hours, and he showed up clearly on "something," he asserted prescription antidepressants but I suspect it was more than that, and he wanted to "tell me all his secrets" in that state, much as I didn't want to know. However, one thing he said got my heart racing for some reason, even though it was the farthest out assertion of his of them all -- but something told me there was... I dunno... ...something to it. He said that his current life was a karmic punishment for what he did in a prior one, in which he followed an order to burn the great library at Alexandria so as to destroy all real historic records of everything that went before. Of course it's no "proof" but everything in me went "bingo." By the way, all taoist records were burnt by emperors' orders on several occasions too, and the punishment for having any of them was death -- for centuries on end. Thanks for the links, I'll check them out when I have a chance.

Have you seen Sumerian art portarying Marduk the creator god, son of Enki? He is a dragon in the earliest representations, later he is sometimes shown as "having" a dragon at his side rather than "being" one, but in any event the evidence for his reptilian origins is literally carved in stone. Anyway, Naga-Maya who may be an even earlier line of ancestry than the annunaki, originating from Mu, are also reptiles. We seem to bump into them at every cosmic turn. It's possible there's as many (or more) species of technological reptilians in the universe as there are of non-technological reptiles here on earth. The design is very basic. A reptile is a very literal magnification of the stereometric structure of the DNA. A snake is pretty much its look-alike, a lizard or a dragon sprouts some extremities but still retains the snake-like shape, and a mammal deviates some more from the original blueprint and might even lose the tail... but the primal blueprint can still be discerned. Since DNA is the basis of all life in all universe, not just on Earth, it's no surprise that assorted versions of the original reptilian design abound.

Patience, my friend, I'm busy. Since you're volunteering, what's your choice of suspension time? -- we offer a minimum of one week for behaviors like yours, but you can get up to 90 days with due effort, or even a permanent ban if that's your heart's desire. Think about it and let me know. You might have to wait till you're actually denied access till later today though, sorry -- like I said, I'm busy...