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He would if he was in a state that is not self-healing. There's no documented cases of anyone developing permanent psychiatric problems from ayahuasca. What it induces is something transpersonal psychology terms a "spiritual emergency." The closest everyday analogy (minus the spiritual part) is someone who's very, very drunk, who doesn't need psychiatric help to sober up, but does need time and a safe environment to do so.

Thanks for posting this, Scotty, I was looking for this video in response to the question earlier and couldn't find it. The mammal aspect of our jing... hmm, DNA... is, to a surprising extent, the great feline aspect, not just the chimp gone hairless... we are cat-apes originally... Much is known about our reptile affiliations to both science and the history of religions, the R-complex in the brain and the mythological significance of all manner of snakes, dragons, nagas and so on -- while the cat-ape aspect is something western science hasn't noticed so far. Taoist sciences did though, they know about the Tiger and Dragon of our innate make-up. So did native Amazonian cultures that understand ayahuasca primarily as Jaguar and Anaconda mix and humans, as its offspring. It is every bit as all-encompassing in those cultures as the Tiger-Dragon interactions of taoist cosmology and alchemy. Of course authentic taoist alchemy used the same or similar substances and I have met a teacher whom I'm not at liberty to name, someone very famous, whose teachers gave them to him in the course of training many times. Since none of it is legal in most countries today, no one is teaching this way anymore. Which generates lots of confusion and an artificial rift in the minds of both masters and students between the "superior" and "inferior" cultivation/spirituality ways. Duh. Tell the jaguar that her way is inferior -- but tell it to her face, meowwwwwgrrrrhisssss!

DE, I'll talk to "Jesus" directly since he's reading: Yes, my friend, I know, that's why I call Her cara madre mia, "my beloved mother" (she spoke Spanish to me even though I didn't know any till then, can you imagine? -- so I still call her a Spanish name I used then.) Listen, there's one thing you can do to help yourself if you won't or can't go to a shaman: don't try to understand what is going on with you right now. Don't try to figure it out. Don't try to think. You will have the rest of your beautifully enriched life to integrate it, what's going on now is not going to be forgotten, I promise, it's not a "hallucination" so you don't forget any of it, so you'll have plenty of time to find the thoughts and the words to express it later. Don't do it now. Words and thoughts are using up the energy you need to restore your equilibrium, each word and each thought pushes you and pulls you. If you can avoid them, try to avoid them for a while. When a thought comes, just tell it, "I'll deal with you later when I'm rested and calm," and don't pursue it any further. Do it with every thought and every word that comes. It will help right now. Much love to you. Hang in there.

You are absolutely right. I do have experience with cara madre mia (she's not a deva of the plant, she's the She, mother of the universe, by the way, and kundalini is but one of her children... and the plant is where She keeps one of Her cell phones for those who have a real need to use it -- you dial Her number when you take it and She picks up -- in whatever mood She happens to be in, mind you, and knowing right away if the caller has any real business calling her or is just a telemarketer -- ) -- so, one thing the shaman suggested was, if She plays with you too roughly (and "Jesus" is right about "cats helping" because they are related too, She is also Jaguar, who is one of her earthly embodiments, and She will play with you like a jaguar kitten sometimes, very roughly and dangerously without any malicious intent, just because kittens play, just because She's like a very big... a worlds-big... kitten... sometimes... who gets carried away playing... but that's only one aspect, She is also the Amazon, and Anaconda, and Life in the Universe in all dimensions, many things, pretty much all things one could ever think or imagine are merely an aspect of Her, and the rest is what one could never think or imagine, ever!) -- so, as I was saying before sidetracking myself, the shaman suggested to keep asking Her -- "please be gentle with me, please, cara madre mia, calm your energy, please calm down, please be gentle..." But that's something She will hear you say if you don't OD. The rate at which the cell phone... um, the DMT, which is part but far from "all" of Her molecular story... is metabolized depends on many individual factors, most people will be out of it within hours, typically nearly all will clear it in 24--48 completely... but there's two scenarios where they won't. She might want to play with you longer is one; you OD is another. It's like giving a kitten too much catnip... ... It took me three weeks to become "functional" and about three months to stop "reconnecting to Her on the phone" involuntarily many times a day (She kept calling me! ). But when three days after the last ceremony I was still in it to the extent that pretty much all of my human functions were shut down and many of my trans-human ones at full throttle, the shaman performed a ceremony to calm Her down, which helped a lot. It was a special ceremony used specifically for this purpose, and for starters it gave me back my ability to sleep. So I urge "Jesus" to seek a shaman's help pronto. Oh, and I urge everyone who has no first-hand experience with Her to send "Jesus" love and good vibes and prayers but please give no dietary or "cleansing" or "spiritual" advice. With Her, we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto...

I used to have a forum, but I was banned from it by someone who was supposedly tech support. (No worries, taught me to choose my support more cautiously, tech or otherwise. ) I won't take it up with him, so I ain't got no forum no more. Sorry...

OK... he took too much, he's still in it, if he wants to return to normal faster he needs to ask the shaman for help. If he's still in the shaman's proximity, he must do it immediately. If he isn't, tell him to hang in there. He will return to normal eventually but it might take a few weeks. Does he have someone close to him around who can be made aware of what's going on and calmly supportive? I sure hope so. If not, tell him to hang in there. He must exclude salt (most crucial), fat, meat, alcohol, coffee, tea, all processed foods and drinks from his diet until he gets out of it. Please send him much love and tell him to hang in there.

This is simply not true as a generalization, but it can be the case when the wuxing phase of the child's qi is the one that's depleting to the parent's proprietary phase while the latter is not strong enough (the strength of one's proprietary qi and all of its interactions with all other qi in the universe and in other people alike can be precisely calculated, not imagined, incidentally... three cheers for authentic taoist sciences! ) This kind of hole-making imbalance is created when the timing of conception is wrong. There's other types of personal situations where the children will make a hole in the energy field (or rather, wuxing cycle of qi) of an individual, but it's far from being brought about "always" by having kids or "only" by having kids -- having any close relationship of this phase-puncturing nature will do it nicely. Whereas kids who happen to be of the phase of qi that's missing from your own chart will mend your hole rather than make it there. Capish? To give a personal example of when the kids will indeed make a dent (that's personal, I'm the poor dented one, not universal, for which it absolutely doesn't apply as a "general rule"). My own kids are of the Fire phase which is what Wood (my phase) is supposed to generate, and that's what my chart says I'm supposed to have -- Fire in the Children's Palace -- so my own timing was perfectly correct and it would have been a problem-free scenario if my parents' timing was as correct too. Alas, it wasn't. They are of the Fire phase too, and they should have timed their offspring to be Earth, which is what's supposed to be born of Fire. Instead, like most modern un-attuned parents, they didn't have any sense of timing of these cycles (nor of course any information) and voila, produced Wood. Not only does Wood need Water for parents which mine aren't, but due to the off-kilter overall scenario I wind up with a missing phase altogether -- and that's Water, the parent phase that is worse to have missing than any other. Which means I have a hole in my energy field the moment I'm born, and having or not having kids is immaterial at that point -- it's already there. Many, many charts I've seen miss a phase, or have too little of one and too much of another -- which also creates holes in many cases -- and in fact I don't think I've seen charts that had no holes at all, it's a matter of how big the holes are and how mendable and whether the person will ever know and do enough to mend them. Now then. If my kids were Water that would repair my energy hole -- not make it but mend it, mind you! -- but it would also reverse the roles and I would expect (on the level of my qi, which is deeper than any psychological attitudes) being supported by them (Water nourishes Wood) instead of being their mother. (A very frequent scenario, this one! -- where parents are trying, mostly unconsciously, to get from their children what they need instead of giving the children what the children need.) So my lineage destiny (not my personal one) decided to self-correct at my expense rather than at the expense of the next generation, thereby giving my children a chance to be born without a hole in the Mother phase of qi. So now I have Fire on both ends, parents and children -- which is why mine is a precarious life and if I didn't know anything about anything my Wood would go up in smoke in no time, not just a hole but a hole in the ground where that tree used to be. But then, the more I learn about my lineage destiny, the more I realize that zhi that drives it seems to know what it's doing... I wouldn't be a cultivator at all if I didn't have kids, for starters, I would be... well, too late to speculate what I would be, but something completely different -- and in all likelihood far less sturdy, both energetically and physically. (I wanted to be someone who shoots something, preferably something two-legged she doesn't like, for a living... before my kids were born... )

Neurocognitive studies I have no vested interest in peddling. Oh, and by the way, according to the same studies, a human being can't personally know in any depth more than 120 people during his or her lifetime. Which was well known to all tribal peoples who would start splitting the village in two as soon as it grew to 130-140, or else sending the newly married couples to live wherever the village was smaller, or else there would be growth and with it, frequent personal misery for some and eventually, for most (which didn't take root in the under-120 native settlements even if there were personal mishaps.) A leader can only be efficient if he or she knows all the people he or she manages personally, otherwise there will be gross mismanagement. The larger the group being managed, the grosser. That's one reason our leadership is so truly lame, and globalists keep making it not just worse but psychophysiologically one hundred percent incompatible with the human nature. To truly know 120 and to truly love 7 people is more than enough. Most can't really pull it off even with ONE person -- including those who like to talk about universal love. Universal love is a watered-down artificial sweetener for the bitterly disappointed -- unless its base of operation is people with practical experience of successful application of personal love to at least 7 live immediate people rather than billions of abstract ideas.

Really? I was even discussing it with someone tao- and business-savvy at one point, but he pointed out quickly that the dating service of this kind won't draw in too many clients and will go bust... However, I am sure that it would be the single best-working dating service in existence (that's how the Chinese married for thousands of years -- always consulting a Bazi fortune teller beforehand -- and look at how many billion Chinese the practice has generated by now! )

Sha' qi, gui, "white ghosts." Of course these are also part of nature -- dead nature. The point is, if we understand "nature" as the cyclic self-replicating four-fold taoist cosmic process (Conception, Growth, Fruition, Consummation), we notice that most of our efforts as a "civilized" species skip over the first three stages and proceed directly to Consummation. And thence strive for more Consummation, and promise still more Consummation in the future, and progress in this manner consuming everything in our way and always setting the goal of consuming still more, and having reached it, setting a new consummation goal and consuming toward that. However, Consummation is the last stage of the cosmic process, followed by death. Whether we will be reborn after we have consumed it all is a matter of some debate, but the fact remains that the whole idea of "progress" which is the cornerstone of "civilization" is utilizing only one phase of the natural cosmic process (aka nature) -- one-fourth thereof, and the last one-fourth immediately followed by death and dismantling at that. So we are not only "part of nature," we can tell exactly WHICH part of nature we are. The last one-fourth of the cycle, immediately adjacent to death and tinged with its characteristics due to close proximity. (Flavor transference is a pretty common houtian qi phenomenon.) Processes that work this way, utilizing Consummation in a self-replicating loop that bypasses Conception, Growth and Fruition, are best described by an I Ching line: "it flares up, dies down, is thrown away." Taoism was originally designed as the medicine whereby to treat this flare-up, this inflammation of Consummation.

Serene Blue, I was talking general not individual predicament. An individual woman can get sick and another one stay healthy regardless of their reproductive history or lack thereof. In fact, I know many women who are doing the noblest and most spiritually correct thing in the world by not having children. I mean, really, most sincerely, if it's a choice between having children who will never be deeply and effortlessly loved vs. having no children, I'm always for the no children choice, no ifs and buts. So... individuals will vary, and varying doesn't equal being "defective." But as a species, tao meant us to reproduce and Chinese taoism reproduced that, by placing the highest value (higher than that of individual immortality) on the continuation of one's "name." I.e. genetic/jing pool of attainment of your whole lineage, not just you personally. This kind of values-placement is unusual today in the west, and few will take these considerations to heart. So you don't really have to, obviously. Nothing wrong with placing values on something else. But I was responding to the idea that something is wrong with actually having kids and loving them. To the bogus "holes in the energy field" that it is supposed to create. I asserted it doesn't and it can't; to this I might add that mistreating a child will, and not having children might be a separate and different challenge from having them and not fucking it up. We all have our challenges. By the way, having two kids at 21 was something tao did to me without asking whether it was what I wanted -- then taught me to want it once it was there. Tao didn't make avoidance of pregnancy easy on our species because she probably wants our species to stick around, what d'you reckon?.. It's not something personal, she's looking at a larger picture...

I like much about Castaneda but he was full of shit on this one. (Perhaps because he disliked his -- granted, stupid and uninspiring -- wife and abandoned his own son and needed to create a defensive self-justification so as not to feel guilty.) The holes appear from NOT having kids or from not treating them right. The holes MEND from having, and treating right, a reasonable number of kids (too many are indeed depleting if you take real emotional, mental and physical care of all of them, and how many is "too many" -- for some people it's even one, others can do it for two or three... more is indeed depleting. The cut-off number of people one can truly love -- not in the new-agey sense of the word love, in the sense of die for without a second's hesitation -- is seven. It means that a human being was originally intended to love two parents, one spouse, two or three kids, and a friend or two or a grandparent or two or a teacher or two -- if there's more people in need of his/her love, or fewer, it produces holes in the energy body.) Even physiologically it stands to reason that raising a family does not do as much damage as not raising one -- consider the following facts: bachelors live an average of 10 to 15 (depending on the country surveyed) years shorter lives than married men (which makes being married the single most efficient longevity strategy for males, statistically far surpassing any cultivation practice in existence); women who didn't have children get breast cancer at 10 times the rate of those who did; women who had children and breastfed them for close to a year have the lowest risk of all reproductive cancers; women who had very many sex partners (prostitutes) have 30 times the rate of cervical cancer; women who had no sex partners (nuns) have 10 times the risk of breast cancer and 15 times the risk of ovarian cancer compared to married women; and finally, the immortal female Sun Bu-er did find it difficult to cultivate while she was raising her children, so she cultivated an ordinary married woman's life -- being a great mother and a loving wife -- till she was 57, and that's when a celestial teacher sought her out and told her, "Now you're ready, for now your humanity is fully realized, so now you can come with me to the mountains and cultivate your immortality." She did just that -- to become one of the Eight Immortals, which makes her one of the most important and influential beings in the history of being. Now I can't help imagining what those celestial teachers think when someone is knocking on heaven's door who did plenty of arcane taoist cultivation but hadn't realized his or her humanity -- not just "fully" but even "slightly" -- by being fully human first. They are a merry bunch and they must be splitting their sides laughing every time they observe the dufus. To produce other humans and see them through is fully human. Tao invented it. You think she'd be punishing whoever follows her in this manner by installing a glass ceiling?.. She's not dumb, not cruel, and not self-defeating... she's the Great Mother herself, matter of fact... with no holes in her energy body resulting from the fact. Tao fa ziran -- tao patterns on herself

Sorry, had to self-correct -- I went a bit against my own rules with that posting and it was bothering me, what with the upcoming New Year's resolutions and such. What the link you posted describes is, far as I can tell, too complicated and orchestrated. I'm a simple cat. Taoist bedchamber arts are also simple -- all BS aside -- and follow the fundamentals of taoist hygiene. E.g.: you get the most out of sex with a wuxing-compatible partner (and it means knowing your chart and your auspicious and inauspicious phases of qi and the partner's phases accordingly, and not falling for someone who takes from you on the level of qi regardless of his intentions, nor for someone who you take from more than he can give without being depleted. For instance, someone who falls for Fire every time may be of the Wood phase with no Water in the chart, it's easy and even inevitable -- but it is very unhealthy, and the best whole-body experience will not happen with such a partner in a million years. But come a partner who has plenty of Water in the chart but misses Wood, it will be seventh heaven naturally and spontaneously, with no "work" done. Balancing two destinies in dual cultivation is what dual cultivation is all about -- without having a partner whose chart and yours mutually balance each other it is just so much harder, or in some cases -- as in Wood missing Water and attempting dual cultivation with a Fire partner also missing Water -- outright impossible. The single best bedchamber trick is to find a partner whose phases of qi are balanced by yours while balancing yours. This is a matter of either luck -- which was the case in the case I described -- or meticulous Chinese-astrological screening, which unfortunately is hard to pull off). So this answers your "high energy partner" hypothesis with a yes and a no. Not just high energy, the energy of the right kind of qi -- and that's "right kind for you," not some generic kind. Once that's accomplished, you then follow real (not "highly spiritual" but highly healthy) guidelines of the bedchamber arts of taoism, and they are wonderful in that they don't take away from the spontaneity of the process -- I think I posted some of that at some point in the past, maybe I'll find it.

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Stirring things up? Me? I know very little about the Holy Spirit of Christianity, being a descendant of four generations of atheists, but ling shen in taoism is practiced, not "believed in" -- and I'm a practicing variety, and when you practice taoist arts and sciences, you have to deal with spirits, no way around it. That a spirit is a "type of qi" is, however, indeed off limits for purposes of a "what is qi" online discussion, as I suspect, so I don't much go there... ...but you know what I know, right?

Correct, I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that "supernatural spirit surrounding tao with many supernatural spirits" and "intellect" mean the same thing in Chinese. There's much intellect-bashing going on at "spiritual" forums de riguer... so when I first heard from a top teacher that the practice will cultivate my "intellect," my first reaction was disappointment... till I got it.

which I've seen translated as "intellect," by the way.

Water flowing by, clams colonize the columns. Life in the White House!* (*this is what Andy Basiago saw in 2013 on one of his numerous government-administered trips to the future, but he says it's just one possible timeline, out of many.)

Peace, brother. As for "grand conspiracy connection," that's a fact of history, not a feeling. It's documented and the info is available. Maybe for later...

sounds like a somatosensory birth memory to me

The issue was your strong feelings about the issue, wasn't it? I was trying to show you that from my POW they are wasted on this particular adversary. There's bigger and scarier ones out there, well worthy of our wrath and righteous indignation. One can choose one's battles wisely, or courageously -- or one can choose to kick whoever is already down. I was advocating the former and objecting to the latter. No glory in being "against" something that has been wrongfully and self-servingly demonized by the powerfully corrupt. Even if I had strong feelings against something of this nature, I'd keep them to myself so as not to play into any dirty hands out there. As Simon/Garfunkel put it, don't want to wind up a cartoon in a cartoon grave yard.

There's a French writer, George Perec, who wrote an e-less novel, La Disparition, that doesn't use the vowel e. He also wrote another novel, Les Revenentes, that uses no vowel but e. A translator, Ian Monk, has undertaken translating them into English. I suggest we hire him as a consultant if we decide to follow your proposition.

Hey, appreciate your sincere effort, Effilang, and have this to offer for your consideration: 1. There's no need to salvage anything -- "what is good of kunlun" is "all of it," it's just not good for "everyone," and no one has the power to make "everything" good for "everyone." 2. "All" don't say this is bad, "all" who have no experience with it don't count regardless of what they say, and among those who do have experience with it, "most" say it's good or don't say anything. "A few" who found it's "bad" for them will be found in absolutely any modality regardless of how good or how bad it is. My mother is severely allergic to shrimp. I love shrimp. Doesn't make me, her, or the shrimp good or bad. "Most" people like shrimp, "a few" will have true and sincere horror stories about the allergies... catch my drift? 3. You can't offer to make an authentic system better unless you have the guts, the energy, and the authority. That's what Max did, by the way, due to having all of the above. It's rare and not for dabblers. When I wanted to improve on the system for my personal practice I asked the teacher if what I was planning was OK to do. He said yes. If he said no I wouldn't do it. Respect for the system and the teacher is partial prerequisite for its successful application, its absence can bust the process from the get-go.