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I'm all three.

@Earl Grey Thank you, darling. I think I'm done with general areas in general unless either the sentiment dissipates or someone/something miraculously keeps the Troll-in-Chief & Co. off my back. They can have it all to themselves now. I've very difficult papers to read and understand (not just difficult for an autodidact who's only invested several hundred hours into studying this, but also for specialists, judging by what I hear from my virologist, microbiologist, epidemiologist and MD comrades-in-brainstorms). It would be counterproductive to spend any time I dedicate to taking a breather in between to, of all things, this. We're under shelter-in-place order since Thursday and I'm busy keeping things sane. Which probably means sayonara except for my PPD where you and everyone are more than welcome to hang out and participate.

@Nungali LOL, you are way off. Did you get it from the mainstream media what a wumao is? That would explain why in your rendition Person 1 calls a wumao someone who goes against the mainstream narrative. Nothing is farther from the truth. It's Person 1 who is a wumao. A wumao's function is to promote the mainstream narrative and thought-police any and all statements that deviate from it. And if you try to debunk this narrative with facts, a wumao will immediately dispense the label pre-printed for such occasions: "conspiracy theorist!!!" He won't call Person 2 a wumao (which is his own function) unless he is particularly devious... gosh, who has ever heard of a devious wumao?..

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Too late. Stop. Ralis, seriously. Just stop.

Too late.

You are, you are his little pathetic wannabe brother dreaming your totalitarian control dreams. And who gave you the authority to "state the dangers of these drugs" -- or the mind-boggling IDIOCY of 2 grams being lethal -- are YOU a DOCTOR??? Who gave YOU the right and the authority to spread disinformation??? Get lost, VECTOR.

Ah, yes, apologies, I switched between threads and forgot. Will edit. Could you please remove the quote? The last time I deleted something a minute after posting it was already too late and Ralis grabbed that quote and trolled up a storm around the post the OP deleted. Please let's not let him do it again.

I didn't give any advice -- I shared my thoughts about what I would do for MYSELF and WHY. I lost a valuable thread with great advice from others, not just me, to your and Zork's thought-policing and trolling. You are potentially killing people, Big Brother.

This is not a Trump thread. The above belongs in dedicated Trump threads. Now to move on to chloroquine -- or rather hydroxychloroquine which is a bit safer (and given what we're dealing with, even if it's as toxic as chemotherapy for cancer or worse, when there's no other options, it shouldn't be turned down just because Trump likes it, it's better to look at the information itself rather than personalities -- at least in this case.... I won't take anything endorsed by Bill Gates or produced by a company he finances, but other than, most bets are off). I've been onto hydroxychloroquine since mid-February when it was first used in China -- on February 17th they published, on February 19th I asked a friend who was going to Mexico for a day to get me this and that from the local pharmacies (they sell all medications OTC and I've used this wonderful feature of my-body-my-choice health freedom many times in the past), and among other things asked her to get me chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine if possible. It was no longer available at that point. I also knew about remdesivir since early February because a friend was locked up in quarantine in Shanghai and was dispatching outstanding reports about the situation (he's a European who's lived in China for many years). No luck on that one either. The Mexican pharmacist suggested oseltamivir (Tamiflu) -- I knew better by then but told my friend, OK on that if nothing else can be procured. I regret spending the money though -- they had tried it already in China by then and were not impressed -- but that was perhaps my counterpart of what stockpiling toilet paper is for the average scared person: irrational but gets your nerves off the edge a bit. Hydroxychloroquine+azitromycin is something I would definitely want to have access to for the absolute worst case scenario (and no other) -- i.e. hospitals overrun, no help to get there, and the disease is turning unmanageable. But the point is moot at this point. I bought azitro at a pet store around the same time, intended for fish (but identical to what is used for humans), and I bought some quinine powder capsules and some quinine bark to powder and put into capsules. I've some info on that which I didn't have a chance to study yet, so I've no idea about the efficiency at this point, chiefly I couldn't tell what the efficient dose might be. If I figure it out, I'll share.

It's been going on everywhere and for a longer time than most people suspect. All the disproportionate flu deaths this season -- the CDC posthumously tested some now, and guess what... In Russia, they've been purportedly dealing with a "community-spread pneumonia" -- while reporting extremely low numbers of Covid-19. In China, they made up "underlying conditions" in a lot of cases (otherwise doctors would get in trouble for losing so many patients). This is true for the younger people too -- if they died this was chalked up to mythical underlying conditions. In Italy, what they call "underlying conditions" is any kind of medical records the person has. I wonder if there's many people in the world who don't have a medical record. That's what I was talking about when I wrote about a true quarantine (separating the infected from the healthy) vs. a quarantine corridor (isolating the location but keeping the infected and the healthy together).

Politically incorrect AF, but I found almost myself (almost) and a couple acquaintances here

I've tried, many times, but the problem is, there's no math from China that is not supplied by the CCP. So maybe we can do history instead. China reported 0 deaths from the Great Leap Forward. (What they meant to say was 30 million as it turned out.) Or we can do epidemiology. Before coronavirus, their flu epidemic was reported to have resulted in 144 deaths. In a country of 1.4 billion. The kind of math to look at now is sort of indirect. E.g., their 3 major cell phone providers lost over 14 million subscribers in the months of January and February. Something that never happened in the prior 23 years of their existence. I wonder what happened to those folks. Probably just got tired of their cell phones while quarantined and decided to stop using them?..

I've seen the same map posted by someone who suggested a tour of the local wineries -- a glass of wine placed in every location.

Madrid, Spain

A UV lamp. Kills viruses while it's at it too.

@Earl Grey Thank you! I fixed the link.

I can do you one better. I have a Chinese foodie friend here whose state of health puts him in a very high risk group, I worry about him, but every time I try to tell him about how extra careful he better be, he responds by sending me a food porn video -- apparently he alleviates his anxiety watching that, which is quite in character for him. Check out his latest offering... I almost broke down and cried. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=9EjF7R9K30M&feature=emb_logo

Nope --that's how assumptions work. I specifically chose this ambiguous phrase to illustrate. You assumed I mean something -- while I meant something else: I can't prove I didn't turn it down, that's the idea. I can't prove anyone offered it and I turned it down rather than there was any other reason I didn't have it for breakfast. And here's where the word I'm talking about could be handy -- it does exist in some languages though. As for your second paragraph, you can just take a picture and show your face ears deep in a caviar on dry rye toast. I don't have to have or not have a very strong belief that that's the case. You can prove it. Prove it, caviar boy.

Nope. I didn't turn it down doesn't mean I accepted it. It means no one offered it. So I didn't have any. I also didn't turn down a cash gift of 1.5 billion US dollars this morning.

I have a very strong belief that I didn't turn down caviar for breakfast today. But I can't prove it. I have a very strong belief that I didn't have any for breakfast. But I can't prove it. I have a very strong belief I love it. But I can't prove I love it. I have a very strong belief that my love of unavailable caviar made no impact on world politics today. But I can't prove it. Does that work for you? 'cause it certainly doesn't work to express what I meant when I said that between "believe" and "know" we're missing a word.

I read two L. Ron Hubbard's books over 20 years ago. I was into much heavier stuff then, so I was left underwhelmed.

So sorry -- I can't for the moment, due to a glitch that caused the whole thread to unintentionally go into "hide." Apparently it exists but I have no access to it and no way to "unhide" it. I wrote Sean about this glitch, but haven't heard back yet. I discussed the Jade Screen formula with some practicing herbalists since your write-up, and they didn't think it was the right one for this disease. Don't know if you would agree, but they thought it may drive the pathogen deeper in this particular case. In any event, I'll try to do my best to retrieve what you wrote. Apologies to you and to everybody.

I put a "sad face" under your post but I don't mean I think it's a wrong thing they did putting your country in lockdown. It's sad because it's happening, and it's sad that the response, nearly everywhere, is so little so late. If I was the one in charge, I'd have closed all borders of all countries two months ago. The stingy pays twice...