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謝謝你 丹道的東西幾乎都是文言文 所以丹道的文獻,我就不使用google了,就留給中英文強的人去處理了 Thank you Almost everything in Dan Dao is written in classical Chinese. Therefore, I will not use google for the literature of Dan Dao, and leave it to those who are strong in Chinese and English to deal with it.
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如果你都有在追我的帖子,那就感謝你了 我會考慮一下你的建議 主要是我必須照顧我自己的感受 當我花了力氣去翻譯,卻被一個用髒話當名稱的人攻擊我的翻譯有問題,而且管理員也沒有處理這個用髒話當名稱的人,而且我還被封鎖了三天,因此我的感覺不好 人不為己,天誅地滅,我得先照顧自己的感覺,是吧? If you are following my posts, thank you I will consider your suggestion Mainly I have to take care of my own feelings When I tried so hard to translate, I was attacked by someone who used dirty words as a name. The man said there was problems with the translation with an unfriendly attitude, and the admin didn't deal with the person who used dirty words as a name, and I was blocked for three days with no reasons, so I have to take care of my own feelings first, right?
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太一,印象中出自屈原九歌,東皇太一,屈原也是楚國之人,此太一生水也是出自楚國,推測應是相同定義 https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E4%B9%9D%E6%AD%8C
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If you want to learn Wu Wei Dan Dao, you can ask me questions here.
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又被封鎖一次了 恐怕能說的話不多了 blocked again I'm afraid there's not much to say 沒有事先被通知是甚麼事情 也沒有事後解釋 完全不知道為什麼 not being notified in advance no afterthought have absolutely no idea why if you want to read my articles, only on my facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/407043940708549 This is for Daoist classics https://www.facebook.com/groups/daofree This is for Wu-wei Dharma. https://www.books.com.tw/products/CN11742708 我剛買了這本書,要跟大家分享,現在不清楚管理員的態度如何, 所以能說的話不多,就寫在臉書上吧 I just bought this book, and I want to share it with you. I don’t know what the attitude of the administrator is, so I don’t have much to say, just write it on Facebook. 這本書講的是莊子的不同版本,老子曾經被竄改過,呂祖師也被竄改過,金剛經也被竄改過,連悟真篇也被竄改過,因此版本的考證是研究道家修練的人必須要注意的,否則一字之差,可以謬以千里 This book is about different versions of Zhuangzi. Lao Tzu has been tampered with, Lu Zushi has also been tampered with, the Diamond Sutra has also been tampered with, and even Wuzhen has been tampered with. Therefore, the textual research of the versions is that those who study Taoist practice must Pay attention, otherwise the difference of a single word can be a thousand miles away -
nothing to do with sex chi sense is somthing feel like Weak electricity
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氣回丹自結 壺中配坎離 陰陽生返復 普化一聲雷 Qi returns to the Dan self-contained, the pot is equipped with kanli, the yin and yang return to life, and a thunder is universally transformed. 壺中配坎離 the pot is equipped with kanli 壺就是玄關 Kan 就是水 離就是火 意思就是水和火在水壺中相互作用 The pot is the Xiuan Guan Kan is water Li is fire It means water and fire interacting in a pot
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Tibetan book of the dead, which translation?
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這本書我三十年前讀過 會誤導你 I read this book thirty years ago it will mislead you to the wrong direction -
非二元對立本來就不是思想哲學 你硬要往思想哲學去靠攏 就破綻百出 Non-dual opposition is not a philosophy at all You insist on moving closer to ideology and philosophy it would be full of flaws
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修煉中的無我不是擺脫自我 這完全是一種誤解 修煉中的無我是一種意識狀態的演化 自我暫時止息 並非捨棄自我 Selflessness in cultivation is not getting rid of self It's a complete misunderstanding Selflessness in Cultivation is the Evolution of a State of Consciousness self cessation temporary not giving up self
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我喜歡看西方人學中文學得很辛苦的樣子 因為我學英文也學得很累 I like to watch Westerners study Chinese very hard Because I'm tired of studying English 莊子講『古之真人,其寢不夢』 從這句話就可以知道 莊子自己沒有練到『其寢不夢』 他是聽說的 但是我可以告訴你 我曾經練到『其寢不夢』 而且我不是『古之真人』 我是一個現代人 Zhuangzi said, "The true man in ancient times does not dream when he sleeps" we can see from this sentence Zhuangzi himself did not reach " sleeping without dreams" he just heard but i can tell you I once reach " sleeping without dreams" And I'm not "ancient true man" I am a modern man You can keep on discussing ZZ, I am interested in what you said
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通常這種現象,在修煉當中稱之為『雜念』 屬於『想蘊』的一種 Usually, this phenomenon is called "distracted thoughts" in cultivation. A kind of "Saṃjñā"
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老子如果失敗了,你今天就不會在這裡讀老子了 老子的政治哲學跟修煉程度息息相關 並非是老子的政治哲學被放棄 而是人類提升自我的能力太差了 這個社會裡,人渣永遠比菁英要多上許多 If Lao Tzu failed, you wouldn't be reading Lao Tzu here today Lao Tzu's political philosophy is closely related to the level of cultivation It's not that Lao Tzu's political philosophy was abandoned It's the poor ability of human beings to improve themselves. In this society, there are always more scumbags than elites. 所以為什麼在戰國時代末年採用法家思想的人取得勝利 就是因為社會結構中,人渣的數量遠遠大於精英 So why did those who adopted Legalism at the end of the Warring States period win? It is because in the social structure, the number of scum is far greater than that of the elite
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The reason why a person who only has qi in his lower abdomen can't understand the Huang Tingjing
awaken replied to awaken's topic in Daoist Discussion
而一個將注意力鎖定在下腹部而產生氣動的人 是完全無法理解非二元對立的性功 因為他使用『意』的方式就不是非二元對立 因此這樣的練法無法產生演化 自然也不可能練到真人 And a person who focuses on the lower abdomen to generate aerodynamics is completely unable to understand the non-binary opposition of sing goung Because the way he uses "Yii" is not a non-dual opposition Therefore, such cultivating cannot produce evolution Naturally, it is impossible to reach the immortal state -
The reason why a person who only has qi in his lower abdomen can't understand the Huang Tingjing
awaken replied to awaken's topic in Daoist Discussion
在另外一個主題提到的非二元對立在無為法的練習當中非常重要 非二元對立不是真理 而是一種方法 一種面對各種現象的方法 一種練功過程中該持有的態度 而不是使用在生活當中的哲學 採用非二元對立的性功 能夠將各種現象經由自然演化變成丹道的現象 這是非常大的奧秘 但是很遺憾的 在討論非二元對立的主題當中 我看不到任何一個人有這樣的見解 The non-dual oppositions mentioned in another topic are very important in the practice of wu-wei non-dual oppositions is not truth but a way A way of dealing with all kinds of phenomenas in cultivating An attitude to have in the process of cultivating But not treat it as a philosophy in life Sin goung which adopting non-binary would be able to transform various phenomena into Dan Dao phenomena through natural evolution It's a very big mystery But unfortunately In discussing the subject of non-binary opposition I don't see anyone with such an opinion -
請各位到這裡看最新更新的呂祖百字銘解說 Please go here to see the latest update of Lu Zu's hundred-character inscription commentary 普化一聲雷 to see why Lu Zu use "thunder" here
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感謝你的肯定 我來這裡是為了宣揚丹道 從老子,魏伯陽,呂洞賓,張伯端一脈相承下來的丹道 雖然過程很辛苦 遇到很多阻撓 但是這裡並非全部是搬運法的練習者 有像你這類的真心行者 才讓我想要在這裡繼續講下去 Thank you for your affirmation I'm here to preach Dando From Lao Tzu, Wei Boyang, Lv Dongbin, Zhang Boduan, Inheritance Dan Dao Although the process is difficult encountered many obstacles But it's not all practitioners of the handling method here. There are true walkers like you That's what makes me want to continue sharing here
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呂祖百字銘(建構中) 藍石以無為法角度翻譯 養氣忘言守 降心為不為 動靜知宗祖 無事更尋誰 養氣之道在於忘記刻意去守,降心之道在於不為,無人為干預,不管是動功或者靜功都知道心神的運作,起心動念都清楚,在功態當中,不需要去追逐尋找什麼特殊的現象。 真常須應物 應物要不迷 不迷性自住 性住氣自回 真常就是道,那應物是什麼意思呢?我們看一下註解。 https://www.chinesewords.org/dict/96891-862.html 順應事物。《莊子·知北游》:“邀於此者,四枝彊,思慮恂達,耳目聰明,其用心不勞,其應物無方。” 鍾泰 發微:“‘應物無方’,言不執滯也。”《史記·太史公自序》:“與時遷移,應物變化,立俗施事,無所不宜。” 宋 歐陽修 《道無常名說》:“無常以應物為功,有常以執道為本。”《西游記》第二回:“這猴王自從了道之后,身上有八萬四千毛羽,根根能變,應物隨心。” 上面這段摘自『漢語網』,應物的意思是順應事物,來源應該是莊子知北游『應物無方』。 根據百度的翻譯,「應物無方」翻譯成「順應外物不拘定規」。 但是我們看莊子這段話,他原話的意思是孔子向老子請教什麼是道,老子說到這段的時候,意思是說符合道的人是 “邀於此者,四枝彊,思慮恂達,耳目聰明,其用心不勞,其應物無方。”所以在這邊雖然呂祖只提到了「應物」兩字,但是我們從莊子原文知道,他的意思是符合道(真常)的人必須要這樣,而『應物』兩字就是簡短的代替了莊子的這一大段話。 『孔子問於老聃曰:“今日晏閒,敢問至道。”老聃曰:“汝齊戒,疏瀹而心,澡雪而精神,掊擊而知。夫道,窅然難言哉!將為汝言其崖略:夫昭昭生於冥冥,有倫生於無形,精神生於道,形本生於精,而萬物以形相生。故九竅者胎生,八竅者卵生。其來無跡,其往無崖,無門無房,四達之皇皇也。邀於此者,四肢強,思慮恂達,耳目聰明。其用心不勞,其應物無方,天不得不高,地不得不廣,日月不得不行,萬物不得不昌,此其道與!且夫博之不必知,辯之不必慧,聖人以斷之矣!若夫益之而不加益,損之而不加損者,聖人之所保也。淵淵乎其若海,魏魏乎其終則復始也。運量萬物而不匱。則君子之道,彼其外與!萬物皆往資焉而不匱。此其道與!』 百度翻譯為『 孔子對老聃説:“今天安居閒暇,我冒昧地向你請教至道。”老聃説:“你先得齋戒靜心,再疏通你的心靈,清掃你的精神,破除你的才智!大道,真是深奧神妙難以言表啊!不過我將為你説個大概。 “明亮的東西產生於昏暗,具有形體的東西產生於無形,精神產生於道,形質產生於精微之氣。萬物全都憑藉形體而誕生,所以,具有九個孔竅的動物是胎生的,具有八個孔竅的動物是卵生的。它的來臨沒有蹤跡,它的離去沒有邊界,不知從哪兒進出、在哪兒停留,通向廣闊無垠的四面八方。遵循這種情況的人,四肢強健,思慮通達,耳目靈敏,運用心思不會勞頓,順應外物不拘定規。天不從它那兒獲得什麼便不會高遠,地不從那兒獲得什麼便不會廣大,太陽和月亮不能從那兒獲得什麼便不會運行,萬物不能從那兒獲得什麼便不會昌盛,這恐怕就是道啊! “再説博讀經典的人不一定懂得真正的道理,善於辯論的人不一定就格外聰明,聖人因而斷然割棄上述種種做法。至於增多了卻不像是更加增加,減少了卻不像是有所減少,那便是聖人所要持守的東西。深邃莫測呀它像大海一樣,高大神奇呀它沒有終結也沒有開始,萬物的運動全在它的範圍之內,而且從不曾缺少什麼。那麼,世俗君子所談論的大道,恐怕都是些皮毛啊!萬物全都從它那裏獲取生命的資助,而且從不匱乏,這恐怕就是道啊!』 所以雖然只有短短的五個字,真常須應物,但是卻包含了整段莊子的精神,而這段莊子又來源自老子和孔子的對話,等於是老子,孔子,莊子,呂祖都包含在這『真常須應物』裡面了。 簡而言之,道必須要順應萬物。 昨天看呂祖的百字銘,第二段第一句就提到『真常須應物』,這句話的來源是『莊子』『知北遊』。 孔子請教老子至道,老子開頭便說『汝齊戒,疏瀹而心』。你要齋戒,疏通你的心。汝就是你,而就是爾,也是你。瀹就是疏通。疏瀹就是疏通。『疏瀹而心』就是疏通你的心。這句話太重要了。而且我相信沒幾個人看得懂老子在講什麼。 老子這句話講的就是開啟『心竅』,疏通心,就是開啟心竅。 我們練丹道,陰陽反覆,都是為了化解心竅當中的陰。只有心竅當中的陰化解殆盡之後。才能夠產生『陰盡陽純』的三階段陽生。 所以練功練到一個程度之後,會發現大部分的氣機作用,都在疏通心竅,都在化陰。除了化陰之外,幾乎沒有別的任務了。 陽氣行走之後,入陰化陰。然後等待陽生的機會。整個丹道的練習如此而已。 這個應物雖然只是兩個字,但是卻是呂祖從莊子當中擷取出來代表老子說的整個修煉的過程,用『應物』順應萬物來做為一個簡稱。也就是道法自然,萬物自然生長,順隨萬物之意。但是呂祖後面講了一個很大的重點,『不迷』,在修煉的過程中,如果迷於種種現象,那就練不到後面去了。所以『應物要不迷』是一個很大的重點。 例如出現氣感,就沈迷於氣感,搬運法就是代表。例如出現光感,就沈迷於光感,太乙金華宗旨就是代表。雖然搬運法跟太乙金華宗旨在實務上都有練出成績,但是沒有做到『應物要不迷』,因此也卡在一個範圍內,無法脫身。 awaken translates from the perspective of Wu-wei Nourish your qi, forget your words, keep your heart down, don’t do anything, know your ancestors when you move and still, who to look for if you have nothing to do The way to raise qi lies in forgetting to guard it deliberately, the way to lower the mind lies in not doing anything, no one intervenes, whether it is active or static gong, one knows the workings of the mind, and the mind is clear when it arises. what a special phenomenon. Really need to respond to things The truth is the Tao, so what does it mean? Let's look at the annotations. https://www.chinesewords.org/dict/96891-862.html conform to things. "Zhuangzi: Journey to the North": "The person invited here is strong in four branches, strong in thought and consideration, intelligent in ears and eyes, and his heart is not labored, and his response to things has no way." It is also stagnant." "Records of the Grand Historian, Tai Shigong's Self-Preface": "Transfer with the times, respond to changes in things, establish customs and do things, everything is suitable." Song Ouyang Xiu's "Road Impermanence Names": "impermanence is based on responding to things, there are Always follow the Tao." The second chapter of "Journey to the West": "This Monkey King has 84,000 feathers on his body since he became Tao. The above paragraph is excerpted from "Chinese Net". Yingwu means conforming to things. According to Baidu's translation, "according to things without prescriptions" translates into "according to external things without binding regulations". But let’s look at this passage of Zhuangzi. His original meaning is that Confucius asked Laozi for advice on what Dao is. When Laozi said this, he meant that the person who conforms to Dao is “the one who invites here, the four branches are strong, and the thoughts are thoughtful. Da, his ears and eyes are smart, his mind is not laborious, and he has no way to respond to things." So here, although Lu Zu only mentioned the word "Yingwu", we know from Zhuangzi's original text that he meant it in line with the Tao (truly often ) people must do this, and the word "Yingwu" is a short replacement for this large passage of Zhuangzi. "Confucius asked Lao Dan and said, "Today Yan Xian, dare to ask the Dao." Lao Dan said: "You keep your guard up, sober your mind, bathe in the snow and get your spirit, and you know it when you strike. The Dao is hard to describe. I will tell you a little bit about the cliff: Fu Zhaozhao was born in Mingming, Youlun was born in formless, spirit was born in Dao, shape was born in essence, and all things are born in shape. His coming has no trace, his going has no cliff, he has no door and no house, he is the emperor of all directions. Those who invite him here have strong limbs, good thinking, and smart ears and eyes. His heart is not laborious, and there is no way to respond to things, and God has no choice but to High, the earth has to be wide, the sun and the moon have to travel, and all things have to prosper. This is the way! And it is not necessary to know what is rich, and it is not necessary to be wise to argue. The sage should cut it off! Those who do not add damage are the protection of sages. Yuanyuan is like the sea, and Weiwei is like the end. It will return to the beginning. It can transport all things without lack. Then the way of the gentleman is the way of the gentleman! No shortage. This is the way!” Baidu translates as " Confucius said to Lao Dan: "Today I live in peace and leisure, I take the liberty to ask you for advice." Lao Dan said: "You must fast and meditate first, then clear your mind, cleanse your spirit, and destroy your intelligence! Dao, It's so mysterious and indescribable! But I'll give you a rough idea. "Bright things are born out of darkness, things with form are born out of formless things, spirit is born out of Tao, and form is born out of subtle qi. All things are born from their bodies, so an animal with nine orifices is viviparous, and an animal with eight orifices is born. A perforated animal is oviparous. It comes without a trace, its departure has no boundaries, where it enters and exits, where it stays, leading to a vast expanse in all directions. Those who follow this condition have strong limbs and a well-rounded mind. , the ears and eyes are sensitive, the mind will not get tired, and the external things will not be rigid. If the sky does not get something from it, it will not be high and far, the earth will not be vast if it does not get something from it, and the sun and the moon will not get anything from it. Running, all things will not prosper if they can't get anything from there, I'm afraid this is the Tao! "Besides, those who read the classics do not necessarily understand the real truth, and those who are good at debating do not necessarily have to be extraordinarily wise. Therefore, the sage renounced all the above-mentioned practices. As for the increase, it does not seem to increase, and the decrease does not seem to have What is diminished, that is what the sage holds. Profound and unfathomable, it is like the sea, tall and miraculous, it has no end and no beginning, the movement of all things is within its bounds, and it never lacks anything. Then "The Dao that the worldly gentleman talks about is probably just a little bit of fur! All things get their life support from it, and there is no shortage of it, this is probably the Dao!" Therefore, although there are only five short words, it is often necessary to respond to things, but it contains the spirit of the whole paragraph of Zhuangzi, and this Zhuangzi is derived from the dialogue between Laozi and Confucius, which is equivalent to Laozi, Confucius, Zhuangzi, and Lu Zu. Included in this "really often must meet things". In short, the Tao must conform to all things. Yesterday, when I read Lu Zu's 100-character inscription, the first sentence of the second paragraph mentioned "the truth must be in accordance with things". Confucius asked Laozi to be the best way, and Laozi said at the beginning, "You keep your precepts, and your heart is sparse." You have to fast and unclog your heart. You are you, and you are you. Ying is to dredge. To dredge is to dredge. "Shuying and heart" is to unclog your heart. This sentence is so important. And I believe that few people can understand what Lao Tzu is talking about. What Lao Tzu said is to open the "heart orifice", to clear the heart is to open the heart orifice. We practice alchemy, and the yin and yang are repeated, all to resolve the yin in the heart orifice. Only after the yin in the heart orifices is completely dissolved. Only then can the three-stage yang-sheng of "yin and yang be pure" be produced. Therefore, after practicing the exercises to a certain level, you will find that most of the qi functions are dredging the heart orifices and transforming the yin. In addition to transforming Yin, there are almost no other tasks. After the yang qi walks, it enters the yin and transforms into the yin. Then wait for the opportunity of Yangsheng. The whole Dan Dao practice is just that. Although this Yingwu is only two words, it was extracted by Lu Zu from Zhuangzi to represent the whole process of cultivation as mentioned by Laozi, using "Yingwu" to conform to all things as an abbreviation. That is to say, Dao is natural, all things grow naturally, and follow the will of all things. But Lu Zu mentioned a big point later, "Don't get lost." In the process of cultivation, if you get lost in various phenomena, you won't be able to practice later. Therefore, "following things or not" is a big point. For example, if there is a sense of qi, you are addicted to the sense of qi, and the handling method is the representative. For example, if there is a sense of light, you will be addicted to the sense of light. The purpose of Taiyi Jinhua is the representative. Although the handling method and the purpose of Taiyi Jinhua have been practiced in practice, they have not achieved "according to the object or not", so they are stuck in a range and cannot escape.
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The reason why a person who only has qi in his lower abdomen can't understand the Huang Tingjing
awaken replied to awaken's topic in Daoist Discussion
為什麼氣會堆積在下腹部 一個主要的原因就是因為注意力的刻意固定 當一個人把注意力刻意固定在下腹部 久而久之 下腹部就會產生一股氣動 類似一個小心臟一樣的動 而這並不是丹 但是這些人卻被誤導成這是丹 所以這是很嚴重的問題 但是沒有人去戳破這個嚴重的問題 Why does qi accumulate in the lower abdomen One of the main reasons is because of the deliberate fixation of attention When a person deliberately focuses on the lower abdomen over time Qi is made in the lower abdomen bumping like a small heart it's not Dan But these people were misled into thinking it was Dan So this is a serious problem and no one has poked this serious problem 有些人不敢面對這個問題 面對自己練了一輩子的下腹部氣動是錯誤的練法 就來找我的麻煩 說我英語太差 我從來沒否認過我英語差 所以我列出原始中文 以供參考 如果google翻譯有問題 歡迎你帶著善意來問我 但是如果你帶著惡意來找我麻煩 那是你自己的損失 當你找我麻煩的時候 我從不認為我失去了甚麼 本來要戳破一個人的假面具 就是要付出一些代價的 如果我能負擔 我就忍受 當然我也希望我的忍受 能帶來一些希望 希望不要再有人被這些錯誤的練習法所誤導 Some people dare not face this problem Facing the lower abdominal aerodynamics that they have practiced all life is the wrong way to practice they come to trouble me say my english is too bad I never denied my poor English So I list the original Chinese for reference if there is a problem with google translate You are welcome to ask me with kindness But if you come to trouble me with malice That's your own loss when you trouble me I never thought I lost anything I was about to pierce a person's mask Just pay some price if i can afford it i will endure Of course I also hope that my endure can bring some hope Hope no one else is misled by these wrong practices -
The reason why a person who only has qi in his lower abdomen can't understand the Huang Tingjing
awaken replied to awaken's topic in Daoist Discussion
陽{生}和陽{神}是不一樣的 雖然中文發音幾乎一模一樣 被google翻譯出來也一樣但是這是完全不同的 陽生是陰陽反覆之後的一陽生 第二個出現的陽 而陽神則是烏肝日魂 這是參同契裡面說的 Yang Sheng and Yang Shen are different Although the Chinese pronunciation is almost identical It's the same when translated by google but it's totally different Yangsheng{陽生} is one yang generation after the repetition of yin and yang One yang is the second yang The Yangsheng{陽神} is the black liver sun soul This is what it says in the Cantonqi 各位老朋友應該知道我在這個論壇前前後後也很多年了 我看了很多年 這裡根本沒人搞得清楚甚麼是陽生和陽神 大家都只知道追逐任督繞行氣感 連烏肝都不知道是甚麼 更別說陽生和陽神有甚麼不同了 Old friends should know that I have been in this forum for many years. I watched for many years No one here has any idea what Yang Sheng and Yang Shen are. Everyone only knows the feeling of chasing Ren Du and detouring Most don't even know what black liver is Not to mention the difference between Yang Sheng{陽生} and Yang Shen{陽神} -
各位很抱歉,呂祖百字銘是我一直想說清楚的 但是一直被岔題 所以只好搬到我自己的空間來繼續寫 I'm sorry everyone, Lu Zu's hundred-character inscription is what I've always wanted to make clear. But it has always been diverted So I had to move to my own space to continue writing
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我也不明白你一直當飛鳳氣功的廣告員意義何在 I don't understand what it means for you to be a Feifeng Qigong advertiser
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當然這個人有沒有說謊 我也徵求肯練無為法的人 如果你肯努力 我可以教到你心竅開啟 可以感覺得到對方的氣 到時候你來做證明 這個人到底有沒有說謊 Surely if the man was lying or not I also seek people who are willing to practice Wuwei if you work hard I can teach you to open your mind cakra You can feel other people's Qi when you come to prove it You can tell me if he is lying or not
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把女人生殖器的分泌物貼在自己的臉上當名稱竟然毫不在意 你也真是奇葩 有沒有練搬運法不是嘴巴說了算 身上的氣是騙不了人的 雖然這裡能感應別人的氣的人不多 但是也是有的 Putting a woman's genital secretions on your own face as a name doesn't even care You are so weird Whether you have practiced the handling method is not a matter of mouth The qi in the body can't deceive people Although there are not many people here who can sense the qi of others But there are
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真是抱歉 台灣人的羞辱 really sorry humiliation of Taiwanese 我以前就說過,台灣很多搬運法的 絕對不會只有這麼一隻 As I said before, there are many handling methods in Taiwan. Definitely not the only one
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很抱歉各位 這個主題被汙染了 所以只好搬移到我的個人空間繼續 有興趣的請到我的空間閱讀 I'm sorry everyone This topic is tainted So I had to move to my personal space to continue If you are interested, please go to my space to read