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Hello, awaken! Is the golden dan the thing that you are teaching? Or there is something else you want to teach? Rgrds, Ilya

And then what is the target of this practice and the system itself in this tradition?

There are some practices in Dzogchen (not sure to spell it correctly) that teach what a person should do being in the process if death (after death came and the mind or soul or self-being of a person is going to stream somewhere). I mean the practice being in bardo of dying. Sorry to post here not a taoist point, but this practice is really giving some answers. The thing is that this practice is not a point of strongest secret but not open for everybody as well. As I know Taoism says about hun and po (Awaken has already pointed out a bit earlier here). After death as I have read (maybe mistaken) that hun go to the skies while po return to earth, and shen (the spirit) disappears. Of courser if someone is not a high-level practitioner.

Agree with the age - it is very personal. Though could be an object of curiosity but sure not is polite. May be the same with the cultivation level - at least this one could be closed to public. But what is the reason of being rude if you ask about a teacher? Rgrds, Ilya

2 effilang A good point, I thought about it. The reason I argued about the teacher is that I have never seen such detailed instructions in the books that showed me the way to do smth and the questions had not appeared. For example I was standing the tree based on the books of Xui Mintan for about six months (from 50 minutes to 1 hour each day). And there were questions I needed to have answers, because no effects were before I had an explanation. The rational to this is in the fact that a human body is a very complex mechanizm. And the book gives general line about smth which can be understood in different ways. Even TT says he has students and he explains to them what is written. To understand methods we need guidance from someone experienced who has results, understands a student and can explain them according to their level. I think I managed to answer your question, this is my experience.

Baloony, thanks a lot for your instructions, I will try to do as I understood it. What is the expected effect to be reached as a result?

Is it written in some source about his life that he did so and never met him again? Even if he did, he received a guidance from him, and following this guidance he achieved results.

Could you please return my post that you have deleted? I have mentioned there that the text you quoted is only a comment of a translator but not the original. Liu Huayang never said that the teacher is not needed. He was the student in a traditional school, he had the teacher in a traditional school and after he achieved results he became the teacher himself in a taoist traditional school. Another point is that the true teacher has a proven achievement and a traditional line and methods, while reading the book only gives you a huge field of guessing what to do with the abstract practice written or translated by somebody. Rgrds, Ilya

Nice quote. Is it also written in the original Huimingjing by Liu Huayang or only in the translation?

May be then you could explain how did you become a teacher without a teacher?

Maybe you could explain how to read? And where it is signed out. Or if I can not "know how to read" then I should not practice at all?

And what if something goes wrong? How to understand that the results are leading you according with your expectations? Are there clear signs of the expected results written anywhere?

I ment that the main idea of the post was that a true teacher is necessary, can't you see this? Is it really possible to find the right way if you have only suggestions based on written materials?

I mean the idea in the post of Pavel Karavaev (#214) on which you replied: "Maybe now it is time to recognize what the Teacher is needed for realization of Dao? Аfter so many posted examples, where respectfull Patriarchs said about it quite clear." The idea was not about a plate, it was about the necessity of a teacher.

As I understand the otiginal idea was that a teacher is needed, isn't? The plate is another point.

I had a similar situation when I tried MCO - I can feel it rising up but no way to feel it goes down. Is there any way to find the feeling of qi going down? Ilya

My experience in this case was like this: - silent mind si just you see the picture of a world everytime without evaluating it - awareness is like you are in the conditon as you "understand" yourself every moment... it is not empty looking, like you are filled with some energy or field/ aura or smth like this Ilya

Hello everyone! Can I ask about the difference between big and small fire?? And how is it corresponding to breathing. Rgrds, Ilya

Hi everyone, My name is Ilya, I am serching a true qi gong system to develop my own qi. Hope to find interesting and close to me information here. Best rgrds, And hope to join this forum soon.

Thanks in advance and best regards! Ilya