nyerstudent

A little late here, but felt the following since Friday morning: Anxiety and strong sense of clearing / resolving something (lasted two days) Deeper and more powerful energy flows Since Sunday a sense of relief and a marked heightened shift that I still feel Overall was a crazy and WTF past few days but feel the better for it now.

I haven't received any formal training in Fragrant Qigong so I have no idea how good / bad my form is, but for awhile I followed these videos and the movements 'felt' right. A few small tweaks I'd make is to keep my elbows tucked to the side of the body and fixed throughout the motion (here they are a bit relaxed about that):

Hi ljazztrumpet, Thanks so much for the wonderful insights. Like you, the password of Pangu Shengong has really resonated with me. Loved your translations of the password. My personal / latest interpretation is something along the lines of: Kindness and benevolence as basis = treat everything, including yourself, with unconditional love Frankness and friendliness to heart = maintain a genuine childlike wonder and innocence as you go through life --- in practice --- Speak with reason = stay calm (this is the starting point towards proper conduct) Treat with courtesy = think of others Act with emotion = be true to yourself Accomplish results = put this all into action I'm finding that staying calm and peaceful is the first step for me in terms of staying "in the password". A little game I play is to try and still my mind -- i.e. silence the inner dialogue -- 24/7. Easier said than done though I think you'll really enjoy meeting Master Ou. The energy in the class is very strong -- sort of reminded me of the big qigong lectures in China in the 90s you might've read about -- and he's a very kind and gentle man. Totally epitomizes the password. I find myself thinking a lot about and gleaning new insights from the lectures. Cheers,

ljazztrumpet, Welcome! Awesome that you're practicing Pangu Shengong. I've also been practicing it for just over a year, having first heard of it on this forum. There are a few others here who also practice it. Would love to hear more about your experiences with it. Earlier this summer I finally received the in-person training from Master Ou, which was an interesting experience to say the least Cheers,

Pangu Shengong and Zhunti mantra recitation, with a bit of SFQ occasionally, too.

Hi there, If you're looking for an MCO variant, I can certainly recommend the "Small Universe" meditation as part of the Spring Forest Qigong system. It's the cornerstone of the system, and in my experience is very safe, simple, and effective. Can't speak for any other MCO teachings, though. You can buy MP3s of a 30 min or 60 min guided meditation from the SFQ website. Cheers,

Hey Subam, I also followed the Falun Dafa teachings for awhile. I definitely wouldn't recommend combining it with any other cultivation techniques! For the past year I've practiced Pangu Shengong: http://www.pangu.org/. It's a very powerful system but doesn't have the same restrictions that many other systems do. You can freely practice alongside other forms (it may even help normalize a qigong 'deviation'). However, Master Ou does recommend practicing it solo for at least a month at first to properly evaluate its effects. Hope this helps!

Yes, definitely. That's how I learned. They offer a correspondence course where Master Ou will remotely give you the transmission; there are also many teachers scattered around who have been trained to give the transmission as well. My $.02: I think the most important aspect is finding a system that resonates with you and that you enjoy practicing day-to-day - and then stick with it for a good amount of time. If you've been having success with SFQ and are enjoying it, I'd encourage you to stay with it and see where it takes you!

Hey taoguy, PGSG and SFQ are similar in many ways: - Both taught by very accomplished masters with whom you can receive in-person training from - Both have a strong focus on healing (both yourself and others) - Both emphasize developing your compassion & cultivating heart and soul - Both are new systems that "break rules" in some ways There are some differences: - SFQ has more exercises and techniques (PGSG has only 3 - with 1 of them being the 'main' one) - SFQ 1-3 can be learnt via DVDs; PGSG teaching includes energy transmissions (though you can learn most of it through correspondence) - PGSG curriculum (if you want to go deeper) includes reading the philosophy and theory behind it Personally I am finding PGSG to be very, very powerful for me. I practiced SFQ 1-3 for a few months prior to discovering PGSG (and other systems before that). Can't go wrong though. PS. I just received in-person training from Master Ou for the first time. Wowza!

Thank you for the post! I certainly made it through Does your school have a website, or another way for one to learn more? Take care, NY

Ze'ev Kolmans website lists an interesting qigong exercise (though he doesn't call it as such): http://zeevkolman.com/tips-for-self-healing/ I also picked up his Kindle book The Mind Is the Healer, The Mind Is the Killer. It is VERY exhaustive, covering his story, his methods (utilizing an energy source he calls the Blue Diamond), and giving straightforward explanations of all sorts of phenomena including reincarnation, the meridian systems, chakras, the levels of auras, karma, astral traveling, and so on. I found it very clear and detailed, explanation topics more succinctly and deeply than many other sources I've found. He describes the "Blue Diamond" as an energy network / mesh / grid of 'blue diamonds' that emanate and distribute divine energy throughout the universe and other celestial bodies...sort of like the electrical grid of the universe. Has anyone run across something like the Blue Diamond before? I'm pretty new to this stuff!

Check out the Spring Forest Qigong Small Universe mediation from Chunyi Lin - it's the foundational exercise of the system.

Hello, I used to practice SFQ and still occasionally do - it's really great! Re: reverse breathing, it also felt (still does actually) awkward for me to perform. So, I took Master Lin's suggestion and just breathe normally while doing the Active Exercises and Small Universe...it works great. There may be some benefits to reverse breathing that I'm missing out on, but the exercises are still enormously effective no matter how you breathe in my experience. One other tip - when I was starting out, I didn't feel much from Small Universe. Stick with it...within 1-2 weeks it was my favorite part of the system. Try starting out with 5-10 minutes and go from there. Good luck!

Hi Rakiel, I received in-person training for the Moving Form, and correspondence training for the Non-Moving Form (which is awesome! Similar theme to the moving form) and Healing Skills. There's also a Pangu Mystical Qigong book which outlines the Moving Form; if you're hesitant to get the full transmission you can try out the exercise first from the book, and then decide if you want to go further. Hi Aetherous, Based on what I know about Flying Phoenix Qigong, that would probably have the most movement of the 3, but who knows. Pangu is designed to be practiced by the masses, including people with various disabilities, so it's physically rather 'light'. Cheers, NyStudent

Hi there, I have a TINY bit of experience with FP, a bit of experience with SFQ, and a fair amount of experience with Pangu (practiced daily for the past ~10 months). My assessment: they're all wonderful and powerful systems that can take you very far. You really can't go wrong! Pangu and SFQ are both practiced quite broadly (several hundred thousand practitioners each) with testimonials of folks healing themselves of pretty much every type of illness. IME, there are probably more published examples of folks using Pangu as their sole therapy to treat a variety illnesses than SFQ. Some of the stories are pretty remarkable. There are a lot of positives to all 3. Personally, Pangu has resonated with me the most because of its simplicity, efficiency, and emphasis on morality. I also dig the Path of Life and the whole mystical backdrop of the system. If your goal is healing, I think they could all likely help you. The biggest determinant, IMHO, is which one you can see yourself practicing consistently for an extended period of time! Cheers, NYStudent

Hello, Nice to meet everyone! I've practiced various cultivation systems over the past 15 years, though for some time have been focused on Pangu Shengong. Looking forward to engage with anyone on this system, as well as others that I know are popular here. In the past I practiced Falun Dafa for many years, and SFQ and Flying Phoenix for a few months each. Also lately have begun trying to educate myself on more classic Daoist and Buddhist texts. I am currently reading Heart Treasure of the Enlightened Ones and The Golden Flower. Look forward to learning more from the collective Bums!

Thanks everyone! Hi tao stillness, Unfortunately I don't have many additional recommendations based on my own experience as you seem familiar with all the systems I've practiced. I would say - for whatever reason, the Pangu forms have gotten less boring the more I do them, they feel rather meditative at this point.... I do have a few other recommendations that others have forwarded to me: Michael Minick's out-of-date book The Kung Fu Exercise Book. Outlines a few very simple, practical exercises that work very quickly for internal health - sort of a precursor to Baduanjin. Fragrance Qigong - always wanted to try this one, 15 minute routine with easy to learn hand motions Hope this helps!

Some really great resources are listed on this thread. I'd also recommend Dr Yang Jwing-Ming's book Qigong for Health & Martial Arts: Exercises and Meditation as a good survey of qigong exercises.

Great to meet everyone! Thanks so much for the welcome @liminal_luke, I haven't practiced the Winn version so I really can't / shouldn't comment. My suspicion though is that modifying any channeled form will likely water down some of the effects. If you'd like to "dip your toes" in PGSG without taking the full course, you can purchase the book Pangu Mystical Qigong from Amazon or pangu.org (~$10) which details the Moving Form as Master Ou teaches it. That's how I started (and then sought out a teacher for the transmission aspect) and you'll definitely see benefits even practicing like that. Re: your second question, some benefits I've seen so far include: General immune support and healing - PGSG is primary described as a healing system, and people have used it to successfully treat many types of (very) late stage cancers, lupus, allergies, migraines, severe burn recovery, drug addition withdrawal, insomnia, etc. I was healthy prior to learning PGSG but I feel more reinforced in a very general, from the ground-up way (though not necessarily 'purified' a la Flying Phoenix). More balanced and calm (though without being too 'spacey' or detached) attitude Increased 'intuition' or 'listening' ability More positive and balanced spiritual outlook via applying the PGSG 'password' in daily thoughts and actions + reading the Path of Life Lastly, my favorite benefit has been a moderate ability to heal others, which I've only used on close friends and family so far. The PGSG healing skill is very simple--only requires having taken the foundational class, a knowledge of the 'password', and practice--but you can immediately send healing qi over distances or nearby. It is surprisingly effective, especially given its profound simplicity (something I can say for all the PGSG techniques). It's been very satisfying to be able to apply qigong knowledge for the benefit of others (sounds obvious to say but I'd never really focused on this!) and can add a whole other dimension to your practice. Hope this helps! @Fa Xin, great to meet you -- look forward to corresponding.

I've practiced Pangu Shengong (PGSG) for 9 months as my primary practice. In the past I practiced Flying Phoenix Chi Kung, SFQ, and Falun Dafa (for ~10 years). My $.02... Someone on this forum once described shengong practices as those that emulate or contain information related to the cultivation of someone who has "succeeded". This makes a lot of sense to me. In PGSG, the forms contain information connected to the cultivation of Pangu himself underwent as described in the Path of Life (at least this is my interpretation). The Moving Form of PGSG is simple - circling the palms a few times while visualizing the Sun/Moon, and then stretching them out to the sides. While they are "energetic" motions--and it seems that the Michael Winn version posted online mostly focuses on that aspect--the real 'juice' comes from the combination of the motions, visualizations, the PGSG 'password', and the foundational energy transmitted by the teacher when learning the forms. At least this has been my experience. I don't know of any videos available online for learning the motions. If you're interested in PGSG, I'd definitely recommend learning from Master Ou or one his certified teachers (preferable), or through the correspondence course for sale online. However, whether you practice PGSG or not, I can very heartily recommend the Path of Life books. They present a unique and interesting creation story, whether treated as fiction or not. My sense is that there's a lot of depth to them. You might also get a powerful healing transmission while reading them. I've only had similarly powerful transmission experiences from books or videos with the Yan Xin lectures or Li Hongzhi's materials. But the Path of Life energy feels a bit gentler and more supportive (consistent with the energetic feel of all the PGSG exercises). Happy to answer any questions about PGSG or chat further!