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I was not asking about future lives, but it makes sense that it can be noticed and accessed. Ultimately, the past and the future just seem to be projections similar to space and distance. While exploring this, the time itself feels like just an illusion of the mind. Yes, I was focusing on the building/creation process. But what you described makes very good sense to me. Once a person integrates into all of the pieces, that One whole is also ultimately found to be empty. Because there seems to be no tangible entity as that One, just like how there is no tangible entity at the local body and mind level. Makes sense. I am understating it this way. Third or individual life of 10,000 also feels like it was always just the One itself. Some obstructions just made it feel or get caught up in time and space and feel as the second or third. When this obstructions clear, the third expands or finds itself as the One.

I thought some more about this and feel I understand what you meant by the vase shattered into time and space. It is a profound concept. To me, the linear view also makes sense. Even though the pieces of the vase got shattered into time and space, there is a pattern to that shattering and how it fell in time and space. Perhaps this can be seen as the linear past births like how Buddha did. Another way I thought of this was, not simply past lifes, even the past in this life and the future in this life can be seen as fragments of that one vase, right? Yet, we do generally see or interpret a linearity within the current life. Perhaps the past lifes could also be viewed in similar way!

Agreed.

This is still not clear to me. But, it certainly seems completely different from both Buddhist and Hindu (or any traditional view) reincarnation concepts. I am just going to let go of this for now and revisit later If and when it makes sense to me, I will come back and post here or ask any other questions that come up. Thanks.

Yes, I am trying to view and make sense of it from within the linear framework of time and space

While this is fascinating and not the way I have thought of rebirth so far, there seems to be some issues with this concept of lives. What about the learning our evolution from one life to other? If they are separate unintegrated flows, then the transformation or the cultivation done in one life has no value or impact in another, right? How can this be? Also, when one piece of the vase is manifested as a life in time and space, what about the rest, are they dormant or active in some other dimension?

Hi Rishi Das, glad you liked the post. Yes, I think it is Guru yoga. No issues in thanking neti neti, we are all friends here.

Love can be termed as the greatest motivator in my view, but not the greatest power or as fundamental nature. Fundamental nature seems to 'just be'.

Thanks, it does sound interesting and I will check it out. If you have any links or details please share here or you can also send it to me in a PM.

It is possible I misunderstood or misinterpreted something you said. I am just a human like everyone else. This is why I said twice, I apologize if anything I said troubled you in anyway. I don't mind apologizing if any of my actions hurt someone in anyway even if that was not the intention. I am not standing by the misunderstanding, but just letting the bygones be bygones, and not dissecting the misunderstanding. Much Love 🙂

I already said, if something I said troubled you in anyway, I apologize for that. But I stick with whatever I stated in every single post in this thread. Not one of them was made with anger or grudge towards anyone including you. I understand my responses or replies can never satisfy everyone present here. Some will have difference of opinion or see what I say in negative light. This is fine with me. With that I am done here. Best Wishes! 🙂.

Hello StillWater. Welcome. Type 2 diabetes is reversible in my opinion. Best Wishes!

It's all in the past, no need to even look back! It's a new and beautiful day today! What matters is the differences are gone and we are friends again. Much Love 🙂

Hi Pilgrim, Your apologies accepted! Thanks for setting this straight.

First you called some one as 'ranting loon' in the Trump thread. I guess then you edited that post as you mentioned yourself, after it got reported. According to you it is fun and amusing! When I point that out in response to your challenge about heated exchange, you are saying I have temper! I also mentioned about the presumptive stuff from past, talking about my past and future as if you know me well and complaining about me to others here. There is no response for that also. If someone has integrity, I would expect them to speak to my face. Now you are laughing and want to make sure I don't ask those questions again or point out how the heated exchange happened. Fine, I won't point out, unless you choose to butt in with questions and challenge whatever I say, whether it's in welcome forum or O-G. Best wishes 🙂

Are you angry about something or someone?

Liked your entire post. Very well worded. Yes, everything happens in Dao. But, I don't personally need to be part of everything that is happening in Dao. I can choose to be part of what is conducive to me. There are many places for political debates and arguments, I don't generally go there or participate. I am here so far obviously, because I loved to be part of. If it changes for the most part from what it is or the reason why I got here, then I should revaluate to see if it still makes sense for me to continue. Just to be part of something, only because I used to be part of it doesn't make sense to me. It's not stated with any hard feelings. Change is the nature and the only truth. I move on if I have to, and the forum moves on also, all in Dao.

Calling someone a 'ranting loon' may be fun for you. But I don't it is fun for the other party. Otherwise it wouldn't have come to our attention. It is heated as far as I am concerned. Also, you are talking as if you know my past and where I am right now. We hardly know each other besides exchanging some messages. It's true, I have leaned a lot about many things including people, but I don't think it's any of your business. I would respect and not make presumptions or complain about any of my past direct exchanges with anyone, either directly or behind that person.

Not at all my friend I would think 100 times and if possible consult with others, if I were to suspend someone. Doesn't matter to me if that member just joined today or been here for 15 years! I have not suspended a single member as moderator so far. I even issue warnings very rarely. To be clear, I hate such actions personally like suspending members and agree to it reluctantly as a very last resort someone's. Those that are in staff know my positions in these subjects. I am generally the most conservative when it comes to taking actions against any member. Your words or what you said to me truly had no impact on me. Much Love

I was not advocating it to be pitted. Though I would really like for some things to change. So, I was just making a personal appeal to anyone that cares to listen to me, to pause and look at their activities, and see if it is truly conducive and helpful to others and to the forum as a whole. If this place is mostly about political debates only as it is these days, then it would not make a lot of sense for me personally to be an ongoing part of it. That is something I need to think and decide for myself, whether I want to be part of something that is mostly about political discussions and debates with a lot of trading insults back and forth. I think the staff and moderators have the responsibility in providing larger directions to the entire forum, or to keep the spirit of the conversations in line with the reasons why this site exists.

I think this topic raises a genuine question, based on the amount of activity and attention the O-G Ave and political topics get in the recent times compared to the spiritual topics. Like the analogy I gave where I talked about designating a room for meditation and spiritual activities in a person's house. Would it make sense if most of the actual activities several times do not correspond to what that place is set aside for. More importantly, people come to such spiritual sites to get away from the obsessive bombarding of political news and social media activities. Many come looking for help. To me, it's all about the role we way and how we add value to those coming here seeking help and guidance. When newcomers see such heavy activity in Trump talk, often with personal innuendos and attacks against each other, a) they might think this place is no better than any other and leave, or b.) get sucked into the conversation themselves and get carried away.

Just for your information: The moderators don't need to collaborate with anyone to steer a conversation in the right direction, issue a warning, or even suspend a member who breaks any terms of the site up to 3 days. Though I generally try to discuss with others (because of my own choice) before taking any such action, other moderators taken such action when it is truly warranted all the time. If you want, I can quote the portions from the terms and conditions that explains this in detail.

I agree with you. We need to start a proper discussion on this question in the Forum subsection, so that all members get a chance to share their views in this topic.

Not you. Please try not to interpret everything I generally state as about or in relation to you. It truly is not.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Pilgrim. Yes, it can be helpful in some ways. My thoughts and some others were just about sheer amount of activity in this thread, and the problems that invariably arise from these heated political discussions, resulting in some type of insults and then later as reports to staff! There is a time and place for everything. The primary purpose of this forum, I would think is to discuss spiritual topics. If we set aside a room in our house for prayer, meditation or spiritual activities, it would make sense to primarily use that place for that purpose. So that eventually that place itself is charged with spiritual energy. This forum is a virtual space. If we let a TV run in that prayer or meditation room, 10 hours a day with shows from CNN or Fox, it won't be conducive to some. Personally, it's all fine with me. We all just need to pause. Let's forget about Trump, left, right etc. Many many people come here to these forums everyday seeking help in Spirituality and many other things. Looking up to some of us, who have been through some of those troubles in the past. What type of precedence or image do we want to present ourselves to these people that look forward to us. Don't we have a responsibility to be an example to others, to help these people? Some may say, screw it and I don't care. This is not for them. This is an appeal to those who care, to spend their time wisely here for the sake of others, and to help others. There are so many fascinating spiritual topics that many of us are capable of discussing, by imparting our knowledge and the lessons we learned in this journey to others. This are just my suggestions. Anyone can take it or leave it, just my 2 cents.