Aletheia

Brian please read this post from earlier in this thread. You thanked opendao obviously agreeing with his take on my deviating somewhere a long the way - http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/43877-question-about-stages-in-neidan/?p=747252 Great, so what exactly is the problem I wondering? And of course I'm grateful for you advice from other threads. But in this thread not so much tbh.

I did the MCO on the day I activated the LDT and all the only places I didn't feel anything were the top of the head and the 3rd eye. I wrote about that in the first thread I stated. Anyway if you're so affected by reading comments on a forum that it makes you want to vomit you're wasting your time at that hermitage of yours. Most likely you have an ejaculation problem too. So my advice to you is CUT IT OUT AND START GETTING SERIOUS and get off the internet as well if you don't understand its inner workings which you obviously do not. Honestly you just let the cat out of the bag that you're still playing about with your base emotions my friend. Good luck to you! I'm way past thinking with the ego that's why I can "project qi" This question was framed by me in such a way to see whether one of "the world's leading philosophers" could think outside the ego (which I knew he couldn't). EDIT: actually I edited it out. I'd rather not have you guys following me around the internet. Not that that account is active. It's not my main account and I'll probably deleted that account too now I've put it on here anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chalmers So you can pretend otherwise if you like, it's not my concern. Maybe you'd like to answer the question I posed...

Brain the whole thread contains comments from people taking to me about non-dualism and subject-object relations. Something I'm more than familiar with and it's one of the reasons I'm so fond of Drew because he sees right through the facade, besides his reaching high levels in neidan. Really I think the two can not be separated most likely. Do you know how many academic philosophers are able to think past Cartesian dualism never mind Plato? Pretty much zero. I know people have good intentions here, but you know where that leads? I'm not interested in good intentions and I'm certainly not interested with good intentions packed full with emotional baggage. Honestly I have no hard feelings for anyone here. I'm already in a bad mood for wasting my time going back to my friend's house and feeling unwell for it. Yeah that's my own fault and hopefully I'll learn something from it. But, concerning the topic of this thread I've received no help other than from Drew's comment on his blog. So what should I conclude from that?

And it's not like I didn't ask you to explain your reasoning in an earlier comment. Rather than that you just return with this level of comment. I have no problems admitting I've made mistakes, more than likely I have. What I have a problem with are comments like the above. AND WHY SHOULDN'T I? It's really not helpful and I don't see why I ought to be tap dancing around the issue with a big fake smile on my face pretending to be thankful to your contribution to this thread.

Hopefully that comment boasted your immature ego because all I'm getting from it is emotionally driven spite and ill will. Something you'll have to deal with in your own time because it's not happening with mine tbh.

Most likely I'll delete my password and just stick to reading Drew's idiot guide in future. Just to be clear -- I'm not a healer, I'm not planning on being a healer, I don't have a need to want to heal the world and I'm not making claims of wanting to be a healer. If I ever heal anyone again it will only be my direct family and nothing more. I'm really not interested in getting involved with other people's problems and would rather not if truth be told. Good luck to them is what I say just don't get me tangled up with it. Perhaps they deserve what they got for all I know and trying to help is ill advised. Right now I want to build up the length of my meditation and want to get up to 7 days without food and water!

Last time I checked you were thanking opendao's posts and then running away. So intuitively I think you've got a hidden agenda going on and some personal problems. Now you resurface with this immature attitude. I'm not going to be taking advice from you without careful consideration first. Even though you've said some helpful things in other threads which I'm grateful for.

allinone please don't reply to anything I write again. You're a complete fool and a waste of time. I've read your comments in other threads and all you do is continuously go around announcing to world that you're a complete moron. If I can see that I'm not sure what the better practitioners think after they're subjected to your dross. Let's wait and see how many great philosophers come and tell me I've misread your abilities and stick up for you here... The only person who's going to stick up for you is someone joyriding their base emotions. No one serious that's for sure. Unfortunately for you!

Meditation most definitely is not getting me drunk. I've noticed everywhere I go people are happier too. So I must be doing something right. Really from my own experience I'd say meditation helps purify negative emotions, amplify the positive and clear the mind of disorganised thinking patterns. And It's most definitely not something done by a disembodied head severed from the body or worldly environments and other people.

Well I've never been into drinking at all and drugs I might take only a few times a year and I always regret it. The only drugs I'd take now are mushrooms. I'm just frustrated that it's difficult to get the right guidance. But I'm sure there's nothing new about that and everyone here has that problem anyway. So my last comment wasn't really directed at anyone in particular just the circumstances of the situation and the general sickness that pervades contemporary society as such. I need to start taking meditation more seriously I think.

Most of what I'm doing doesn't come from books, I'm just doing what feels right for me and anyone who thinks I'm some sort of deviant can take a hike for all I care!

The day I activated the LDT I put some heat in tailbone and put it into my head from there and it felt like the crown of my head had been flooded and when I opened my eyes it was like a waking dream. Then for 6 hours my pelvic region got hotter and hotter. During that time I did the MCO and each point felt warm when I put qi there. The only two points I didn't feel anything were the crown of my head and the forehead. So feeling heat in my forehead the other day was the first time that had happened for me and it's not obvious I can even move the energy around the MCO now the way I did on that first day because I've only been breathing wherever the heat has gone since that time.

I think it was a mistake to go back to my friend's because I still feel rough as hell from taking drugs. She said she may well have felt some warmth but it was very much secondary to the relaxation and pain cessation she felt. She doesn't think all the swelling went away like I was saying. Also she said she couldn't remember me pulling out energy and her leg changing colour. So I said to her "you don't remember trying to pull energy out of your leg after you saw it had changed colour while I was doing it?" and she said "oh, yeah! I forgot about that!" So, the thing is we were all high AF so maybe the swelling really went down like I believe and her leg did change colour while I was pulling energy from her leg, it was actually her who said that happened at the time because I didn't notice it. Who knows? and how cares anyway? I really need to focus on getting things right so I can move forward and progress with my practise from here on in. I read Drew's blog while I was high and he comments on this thread. I'll have to reread what he wrote though. The reason I believe I felt heat in my forehead is because I hadn't been practising the MCO and when I had done it I hadn't felt anything at the forehead. So the heat was the channel or UDT being initiated for the first time and in any case I've felt no heat there since, but I do feel something there. I'm going back to bed I think.

Right, I'm going over to my friend's, I just called her up. I think I was on the speaker phone and I said "It's unbelievable isn't it?" and she said "YES!" then someone in the background said "come over quickly so we can hear you talk about philosophy!" So there you go. I'm pretty sure not only did they witness what happened but they felt it too. Normally after about 45 minutes of my talking about philosophy none stop they tell me to "SHUT UP!" now they're asking me to come over! Honestly this is why is so incredible because other people experienced it too and to be blunt it was so fucking high level it can't be put into words! So you can say I'm imagining things and Drew is crazy, but who are you really fooling in the end?

Thanks, opendao I appreciate the post!

Thanks allinone. I think I'm filling the heart which will then open the 3rd eye - http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/28582-taoist-yoga-discussion-thread/?p=444756 I got Foundations for Internal Alchemy today too. I was wondering about the eye rotations mentioned in this post - http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/41958-lostinhemplation/?p=711382 Does anyone know anything about that? Also I read Drew's last blog post and I'm now wondering if my friend with the bad leg might of had orgasms during the healing and perhaps that's why she went a bit quiet lol. I mention in my post about the healing that I said she went quiet because she was feeling the love energy. When I called her up afterward I asked if she could feel the heat and she said "yes, it's crazy" so now I wonder exactly what does she mean by that 0_o At one point it literally looked like her leg was transforming before my eyes, I'm not even joking. The whole experience is completely nuts. I will go around there sometime and ask what she felt at the time. The thing is she takes drugs and is not always coherent and I don't really want to take drugs right now which will happen if I go around there. Also it's a bit of a trek to get there and I'm not interested in making the journey right now. I'm also interested to know how long the leg had been bad (it was obviously getting worse because she was talking about going to hospital but she didn't have the money for a taxi) and what happened with the health of the leg following the healing.

opendao is making the claim my whole life is a "dangerous deviation" which is quite something to hear when you're dealing with the energies of subtle bodies. Personally I have my doubts about opendao and think he's a fake and a poseur. Now let's look at the evidence here. YEAP I'M THE BAD GUY. You literally couldn't make this shit up the whole world has gone insane and no one is any the wiser.

Where are you getting that from books? What exactly is the problem I ought to be looking out for and what is the nature of the deviation? If you can explain the nature of the problem and how one ought to correct it I'll be grateful for your help! Brian what do you think? Why don't you say something rather than just thank opendao for his post? If I'm going in the wrong direction and other people can confirm what you're saying I'm not seeing what the problem is. If what you say turns out to be slightly controversial with other people disagreeing WHO CARES ABOUT THAT IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Either way I'm more than happy to hear what people have to say because I'll learn something either way. Right now it should be more than obvious that I'm pretty much in the dark here! If I could just go down the road and consult my local neidan practitioner I would. But I'm guessing they're a little thin on the ground! As I mentioned in another post I had no intentions of getting into qigong before I knew some of the basic theory, but I accidentally activated the LDT and since that time I've always been ahead of my understanding of these things. I'm trying to tread water but I just seem to be getting deeper into it all the while! I mean I still haven't really worked out what meditation is all about tbh!

You'd probably like Marshall McLuhan if you're into thinking about brain hemispheres. I'd love to go into it but it would take hours!

Obviously being a healer would be great. But firstly I don't have a clue what I'm doing right now and I'm not even meditating properly as far as I can tell. Although, I have no problems helping people if it really turns out to be something I'm able to do. But, secondly I don't want anyone to know about it tbh. I watched that Buddha Boy documentary the other day so perhaps I might just end up meditating inside a tree someplace in a forest when all's said and done lol.

I've never forced any movement. I've only even done the MCO about 3 times and every other time I just breath wherever the qi goes and generally it's hot/warm because it's always been in the LDT or around that area -- bladder, tailbone etc. Then it sometimes goes up to the diaphragm and heart. Then the other day those areas seemed to connect and the next time I felt heat in my forehead and thereafter no heat there but I can feel the area in the middle of my forehead! However I haven't done much meditation since that time. I felt it in my heart the next meditation and the energy didn't really feel warm and was a bit more subtle. I'm thinking maybe I'm going beyond just the heat in the LDT stage after feeling something a little more subtle in the heart and forehead. But I lack some of the theoretical stuff tbh. I think I need to start getting a little more serious with my meditation perhaps?

Thanks for the kind thoughts, silent thunder. I think I agree with what you're saying, I personally don't really believe in the Western ego at all. I just use "I" through habit and convention and don't really believe self-other-world-cosmos can really be separated in truth. Concerning the healing I don't believe I really did anything other than expand my personal consciousness into areas not generally felt in waking reality. The healing most obviously was not done by me because I don't know how to heal someone's leg the way it happened! At the time I was so entrenched in a way of thinking that I knew qi transmissions were so patently true that I wasn't surprised the healing happened at all. But maybe 10 days afterwards it did sudden hit me what had actually occurred and probably then I was thinking more with the ego because I went into slight shock trying to piece it all together with a more rationally ordered mind-set. From the perspective of direct experience it felt like I was almost outside time watching reality come into existence. So it was a great experience and totally peaceful. Then thinking from the ego I thought WOW I hit a level of consciousness which directly and measurably reshaped material reality and that feels more like you're some material warping monster that can melt reality like an LSD trip, which is not so psychologically healthy I would guess. Really the Western ego believes it can think for itself in total isolation and in contradistinction to the higher intelligences of nature. Which I think is wrong but something the world still suffers. Anyway, your post reminded me I'd written about this elsewhere on the site so I'll cut and paste it here -

Yesterday I went into an acupuncture shop and the woman there was really sad. So I was telling her qi can really be felt and the stadium healings in China were actually qi transmissions and not figments of the imagination, but she wasn't really believing me. So I told her she was sitting on top of a great tradition, all she needed to do was start meditating and her world will be transformed into a happier one! Anyway, I got one of Damo's books on Neidan but I haven't read it, it's just sitting next to my bed with a whole load of other books tbh. However, I picked it up yesterday and it open on page concerning healing other people using the palm of the hand like I did with my friend. And he said there can be psychic cross contamination between healer and the person being healed. So it was great to read that from a source other than this forum. It helped make the point clear to me that I ought not be doing these things until I really know what I'm doing. The next point in the book concerned the ability to tap into other people's emotions and how it should never be used for personal gain. So that made me think back to the woman in the acupuncture shop and made me realise perhaps I was talking about things which can be hurtful to people if they're not fully conscious of the problem themselves. Anyway, just that section of the book made the book worth having tbh.

I think the 3 Dan Tien make more sense to me now, The LDT is where you really tangibly feel the heat, the heart is cooler and the head is pure concentration which unifies on a grand scale. So I need to learn how to concentrate if I want to go further into my practise, I think. Does anyone know any good articles they can link or even a book which has anything on shen type meditation?

One more and I'll leave you guys in peace.