Aetherous

What do you guys think of this?

This is a mess...

Baller

I actually got Enochian Vision Magick and read the whole thing yesterday, after discussing this with you. Apparently it's one of the more positive accounts, actually assuming that the beings are angels...amazon reviewers tend to experience good things with it. There were questionable aspects though...for instance, Kelly being of questionable nature (maybe he made things up), and numerous occasions of getting wrong information from what they considered to be evil spirits, where the "angels" had to correct them. If you're interested in Enochian, I'd say it's a good book to check out...overall it was very positive.

...book in my signature...

The new role of Taobums:

Not to discount what you were pointing out, anamatva. Not worth getting into a crazy cult, when there are so many other paths to take.

http://www.onlinemeditation.org/ This shows how to practice it, I guess...looked at it previously and it didn't seem like it would be harmful.

I've heard of Tibetan masters saying that bliss is simply another word for compassion...

The book in my signature is my preferred method. I don't think anything else is needed, and in fact, many things can have the opposite effect of what you are after.

Google-fu!

Wow...I guess I just don't view Enochian magick as being similar to Bagua at all, Serene! Enochian was essentially channeled by a disembodied spirit, or spirits. It was further distorted by the overly religious upbringing of Crowley. Its purpose, from what I've read, is to unleash (external) demons and chaos on the world and humanity, and bring about the apocalypse. LOL! "Expedient means" to what? Not enlightenment. Bagua has nothing to do with these types of ideas...and is completely safe is comparison; not simply because you have a teacher. Ghost qi, or inner demons, is something entirely different from what's willfully contacted in Enochian magick. At least that's my opinion. Sorry for being argumentative. It's nothing personal. I just want to suggest, maybe people should look into what Enochian magick really is, from multiple sources, before believing anything that's being said on this forum about it.

Not sure I'm following...you were saying Enochian Magick is less risky than Bagua practices, right? Maybe this is an issue where we will simply have to agree to disagree.

Hmm, based on what I've read about Enochian magick...don't think so!

http://www.youtube.com/user/kovacs7geza/videos

YES! I feel so much better now! Thanks Apech.

IMO, real qi looks quite different...I don't see much real external qi healing or moving happening in Jiang's video in this thread. Instead it appears to just be him waving his hands around...totally fake. He looks like he has some minor accomplishment internally, but not anything special. The burn mark on the abdomen appears to either be a chemical burn or laser. The causing of other people's arms to twitch that he does appears to function exactly like a TENS unit or something similar...not qi. It doesn't matter if he isn't wearing shoes at the time...these are tricks, and where there's a will ($), there's a way. Just my opinion.

Yes sir!

Can't be teenage forever.

LOL...well, turtle shell for me, please!

What do you suggest?

I would like to change mine to turtle shell. Thanks in advance!

It's just interesting that you mention it, because this is pretty much exactly what I thought was going on during the period of Dec 2010 - maybe June 2011. That time was seriously wonky. I did my best to stop what I felt was going on, and have my own views about how it went and what will occur. We shall see...all of us (including spirits) can only know the future after it has passed. What's written in stone? This should be: "I desire mercy, not sacrifice."